[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[Petrarose]

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The good thing about TMez interview, is that he says he will be a witness on the 05 trial. At least we will have some accurate information about that. Everything else he says about the case & family, I dismiss. It seems TMez has some loyalty to the family, and as such does not look at only the facts when he makes statements that involve them. For him to say he did not believe about the granny napping, when Paris & Prince tweeted, shows he is biased or did not have all the facts.

Jamba maybe when TMez made the information about the reputation, it was from his perspective. Maybe people did come up to him and compliment him making him thing that Michael's reputation was strong. I don't think he is the type that look at tabloid tv, read local trash papers, or listen to popular radio. The thing is if you stay away from these outlets & focus on only professional publications, like I do, you don't get a sense of what the tabloid world is saying or doing.

 

[jamba]

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The good thing about TMez interview, is that he says he will be a witness on the 05 trial. At least we will have some accurate information about that. Everything else he says about the case & family, I dismiss. It seems TMez has some loyalty to the family, and as such does not look at only the facts when he makes statements that involve them. For him to say he did not believe about the granny napping, when Paris & Prince tweeted, shows he is biased or did not have all the facts.

Jamba maybe when TMez made the information about the reputation, it was from his perspective. Maybe people did come up to him and compliment him making him thing that Michael's reputation was strong. I don't think he is the type that look at tabloid tv, read local trash papers, or listen to popular radio. The thing is if you stay away from these outlets & focus on only professional publications, like I do, you don't get a sense of what the tabloid world is saying or doing.

Yes, I agree. Good pointthat TM is not aware of what the tabloids, etc are up to, although he did seem toknow quite a bit about the media assasination during the 05 trial and spoke about it in an interview with Thomas Wegener and others. He said how he was told that he cost the media big bucks b/c they wanted a guilty verdict so they could cover MJ in jail, etc. I have watched some of his youtube interviews where he denounces the media, so now that I think about it, he has to know about the media assasination and how could it not hurt someone's reputation? I think what you said earlier is accurate--namely, that he has loyalty to the family and is biased (sorry to say and see that but there it is).

 

[jamba]

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Reminds me of his support of that guy's recent book (can't remember his name). Anyway, T-Mez was ADAMANT in his support of that book, and didn't want to hear anything to the contrary. He surprised me.

Randall Sullivan's Untouchable (book on MJ's last years)

 

[morinen]

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The good thing about TMez interview, is that he says he will be a witness on the 05 trial. At least we will have some accurate information about that.

Let's not forget that whatever Tom Mesereau says, Diane Dimond will comment on. I think in the present setting with the extreme media attention it would be best for Michael if the attorneys didn't delve into that topic and kept it down to the scope relevant for this case.

so now that I think about it, he has to know about the media assasination and how could it not hurt someone's reputation? I think what you said earlier is accurate--namely, that he has loyalty to the family and is biased (sorry to say and see that but there it is).

Yep. And by the way that episode with Las Vegas citizens wanting to drive Michael away was described in Sullivan's book, which Mr. Mesereau praised so adamantly. So he should be well aware of America's attitude to Michael in his last years. I think he just wants to help the family.

It also surprised me that he said yesterday that Katherine has "the best attorney in LA" for this kind of cases. If the "best attorneys in LA" leak emails and want to try the case in the media instead of courtroom (the kind of tactics Tom Mesereau used to vehemently criticize, by the way)... Then what the worst attorneys are like?

 

[Petrarose]

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Yes, I agree. Good pointthat TM is not aware of what the tabloids, etc are up to, although he did seem toknow quite a bit about the media assasination during the 05 trial and spoke about it in an interview with Thomas Wegener and others. He said how he was told that he cost the media big bucks b/c they wanted a guilty verdict so they could cover MJ in jail, etc. I have watched some of his youtube interviews where he denounces the media, so now that I think about it, he has to know about the media assasination and how could it not hurt someone's reputation? I think what you said earlier is accurate--namely, that he has loyalty to the family and is biased (sorry to say and see that but there it is).

Yes I was present when he talked about what the media wanted, but these people actually came up to him after the trial and said this to him, so he is talking about actual conversations he had in that instance, and not from what he read or saw.

Morinen also the "best' attorney should know that all the other allegations would be thrown out by a judge & they would only be left with 1.

 

[bluetopez]

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T-Mez on Piers Morgan and Murray's lawyer. I just saw it. T-Mez again IMO did a great job! It's really is up to the jury though and to early to say who got this!? But, I do believe The Jacksons got a shot.

http://youtu.be/BDsGPEvFFCY

Also for some strange reason Murray's lawyer resembles Diane Demon to me...EWWW!uke:

 

[Annita]

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Jamba maybe when TMez made the information about the reputation, it was from his perspective. Maybe people did come up to him and compliment him making him thing that Michael's reputation was strong. I don't think he is the type that look at tabloid tv, read local trash papers, or listen to popular radio. The thing is if you stay away from these outlets & focus on only professional publications, like I do, you don't get a sense of what the tabloid world is saying or doing.

Michael was still a magnet, despite the allegations. And AEG makes a mistake when they argue now he was a fallen star. They contradict himself. And stuff like that makes a bad impression on the jury. Kathrine's lawyers just have to take the testimony under oath of Philipps from the criminal trial where Philpps told what a genius Michael was, that Michael Jackson is the only star able to sell out 50 concerts that he tried to hire him years ago and Gongoware told how many people was in the pipeline and aren`t able to get tickets.

 

[MsMo]

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T-Mez on Piers Morgan and Murray's lawyer. I just saw it. T-Mez again IMO did a great job! Is really is up to the jury though and to early to say who got this!? But, I do believe The Jacksons got a shot.

Also for some strange reason Murray's lawyer resembles Diane Demon to me...EWWW!uke:

:yes:

Re: AEG claim to being Mastercard-like rather than an Employer

I just read the "Independent Contract Agreement" between CM and AEG, I don't see how AEG can possibly deny an oral agreement to hire CM to provide services for MJ. Why else would they have drawn up the contract, which btw the language is very clear:

AEG agreed to retain CM - to keep in one's pay or service; specifically: to employ by paying a retainer

If in fact CM signed it, like Mesereau says, it's gonna be an uphill battle for AEG to dispute an oral agreement.

The only reason for MJ's signature was to approve of CM.

Having worked under contract many times, the Corp. paying my salary was always my employer, regardless of the local I physically worked at. Likewise, they were held responsible for my actions. If I had gone crazy and trashed their computer systems the client would have held both I and the employer who sent me to work on their systems responsible; criminal charges for sure against me, $$$ damages against the employer.

As for not having the signature of all parties yet, still the intent was there and the contract was retro-active back to May 2009 and says:

effective June 2009
CM will provide services asked by producer (AEG)
Agreement will be terminated by AEG IF...

ALL things considered, the emails are like a nail in the coffin...imo

I could be wrong, however, me thinks it's just a ? of damage$

 

[Bubs]

This is what T Mezz says now:
,” Mesereau tells Radar. “Michael had a very strong reputation after the criminal trial and everywhere I went and spoke, people were always coming up to me offering their support – everyone was extremely positive.”


This is what he said few months ago:
"Thank you for your email. I respectfully disagree with your approach to Mr. Sullivan's book.
First of all, I am less concerned with issues like Vitiligo, plastic surgery and sexuality than the hideous, false charges of pedophilia. The main question, for me, is how to restore Michael Jackson's damaged reputation.

Its funny how MJ's reputation is either good or bad, depending on who is asking.

 

[MsMo]

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This is what T Mezz says now:

Its funny how MJ's reputation is either good or bad, depending on who is asking.

Very strong, yet damaged, no?

 

[Bubs]

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T-Mez on Piers Morgan and Murray's lawyer. I just saw it. T-Mez again IMO did a great job! Is really is up to the jury though and to early to say who got this!? But, I do believe The Jacksons got a shot.

http://youtu.be/BDsGPEvFFCY

Also for some strange reason Murray's lawyer resembles Diane Demon to me...EWWW!uke:

She does look like Demon Dimond, her attitude and the way she speaks of Michael. I only watched half of it and got sick of her. When T Mezz said about MJ swimming in propofol, she said that CM only gave him 25 mg, and MJ self administered the rest - she said MJ had his own stash. If I remember correctly, during the investigation, all the propofol bottles found in MJ's house were the ones CM ordered (serial numbers checked against the orders), so where is the bottle that MJ used for self administering?
Propofol is supposed to knock you out immediately, but obviously according to her and CM, MJ got up of his bed to get his own propofol bottle, administered it to himself, hid the bottle and then he was knocked out, all that while he was attached to the drip and there was needle in him?
She is as crazy as demon D and CM!

 

[maral]

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everything she said was disputed in the court. and if MJ had his own stash why was CM there? this woman is ridicules

 

[passy001]

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:yes:

Re: AEG claim to being Mastercard-like rather than an Employer

I just read the "Independent Contract Agreement" between CM and AEG, I don't see how AEG can possibly deny an oral agreement to hire CM to provide services for MJ. Why else would they have drawn up the contract, which btw the language is very clear:

AEG agreed to retain CM - to keep in one's pay or service; specifically: to employ by paying a retainer

If in fact CM signed it, like Mesereau says, it's gonna be an uphill battle for AEG to dispute an oral agreement.

The only reason for MJ's signature was to approve of CM.

Having worked under contract many times, the Corp. paying my salary was always my employer, regardless of the local I physically worked at. Likewise, they were held responsible for my actions. If I had gone crazy and trashed their computer systems the client would have held both I and the employer who sent me to work on their systems responsible; criminal charges for sure against me, $$$ damages against the employer.

As for not having the signature of all parties yet, still the intent was there and the contract was retro-active back to May 2009 and says:

effective June 2009
CM will provide services asked by producer (AEG)
Agreement will be terminated by AEG IF...

ALL things considered, the emails are like a nail in the coffin...imo

I could be wrong, however, me thinks it's just a ? of damage$

The problem with that is MJ was cash poor and could not afford $150,000 per month on his own. so AEG as part of the deal with MJ, had this contract whereby they offered to pay CM and recoup the money from MJ's proceeds of the concerts.
It's no different from MJ asking his neighbor to pay his bills, and getting refunded back alter when he gets his own money.

This is exactly what happened. AEG was acting almost as a bank. they were going to recoup all that money from MJ.

 

[addictMJJ]

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and well me I say:

in any event the world sacrificed well Jesus Christ attached on a post whereas it was perfect and Love and innocent thus they will do everything in the same way with Michael and that returns sick A to me an unimaginable point!!!

because we do not delude it is once again Michael who will be trailed in mud still and still .....

but good god let us leave the quiet one!!!

afflicted for this blow of mouth but I of little more whole than read : Banghead

 

[8701girl]

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She does look like Demon Dimond, her attitude and the way she speaks of Michael. I only watched half of it and got sick of her. When T Mezz said about MJ swimming in propofol, she said that CM only gave him 25 mg, and MJ self administered the rest - she said MJ had his own stash. If I remember correctly, during the investigation, all the propofol bottles found in MJ's house were the ones CM ordered (serial numbers checked against the orders), so where is the bottle that MJ used for self administering?
Propofol is supposed to knock you out immediately, but obviously according to her and CM, MJ got up of his bed to get his own propofol bottle, administered it to himself, hid the bottle and then he was knocked out, all that while he was attached to the drip and there was needle in him?
She is as crazy as demon D and CM!

LOL excatly they think michael was in sleepwalk mode and did that himself ummm no there would no way michael would be able to do all that while being under propofol

 

[sophiemj]

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?ne question when do you think Michael was more "pressed" during TII or during MSG30 ? I always saw him under pressure when family members were around his business. I personaly till today I cannot see the msg concert, the man was in pain both in body and soul.

 

[8701girl]

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?ne question when do you think Michael was more "pressed" during TII or during MSG30 ? I always saw him under pressure when family members were around his business. I personaly till today I cannot see the msg concert, the man was in pain both in body and soul.

I think he was pressed in both

 

[Big Apple2]

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I just read the "Independent Contract Agreement" between CM and AEG, I don't see how AEG can possibly deny an oral agreement to hire CM to provide services for MJ. Why else would they have drawn up the contract, which btw the language is very clear:

AEG agreed to retain CM - to keep in one's pay or service; specifically: to employ by paying a retainer

If in fact CM signed it, like Mesereau says, it's gonna be an uphill battle for AEG to dispute an oral agreement.

"to employ by PAYING a retainer." Was that retainer every paid? I don't know, but I doubt it ever was.

Also, as I recall, AEG stated that they would NOT be signing the contract until Michael signed that contract. Seems strange that they would make that request. I mean, what difference does it make in which order the contract was signed. Might mean something, might mean nothing. I guess, time will tell.

 

[serendipity]

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^Right, if AEG wanted to employ Murray why didn't they just sign the contract instead of waiting for MJ to sign it first?

 

[LastTear]

From the contract, what does this mean?

'Murray will perform other medical services reasonably requested by AEG' - I was wondering if ths was referring to other performers or crew require treatment.

I know employment law is very complex, but to me this is almost a get out clause.

“This relationship created by this agreement is that of independent contractors and nothing contained in this agreement shall be deemed or construed as creating any partnership, joint venture, employment relationship, agency or other relationship between the parties”

i wonder though how much of the trial will be focused on the unsigned contract or how much weight it even holds.

 

[jamba]

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"to employ by PAYING a retainer." Was that retainer every paid? I don't know, but I doubt it ever was.

Also, as I recall, AEG stated that they would NOT be signing the contract until Michael signed that contract. Seems strange that they would make that request. I mean, what difference does it make in which order the contract was signed. Might mean something, might mean nothing. I guess, time will tell.

b/c Michael was signing that he requested CM and that he would pay CM. (this was stated under the place where he was to sign). Until MJ signed to accept his responsibility, AEG would not sign.

 

[MsMo]

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b/c Michael was signing that he requested CM and that he would pay CM. (this was stated under the place where he was to sign). Until MJ signed to accept his responsibility, AEG would not sign.

and approved of CM and that they would DEDUCT what they pay CM from MJ's payout. That's what MJ agreed to.
However, there was NO agreement whatsoever between MJ and CM.

The contract for the Dancers, Musicians, Lighting Crew, etc, probably ALL had that same clause below MJ's signature, but they were still employed/retained by AEG.

 

[MsMo]

Where is the $40 billion request stated?

"No demand has been made by the Jackson family for $ 40 billion from AEG. That is just not true.“ -Jackson family attorney Kevin Boyle - CNN TV

 

[ivy]

Where is the $40 billion request stated?

"No demand has been made by the Jackson family for $ 40 billion from AEG. That is just not true.“ -Jackson family attorney Kevin Boyle - CNN TV

 

[MJ*PP]

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^there you go. who are we believing anyway. Everything is a chaos, I cant believe how many things are going on.

 

[serendipity]

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So the Jacksons lawyer blatantly lied in the media. lol, what a surprise

 

[mj_brainiac]

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How long do you guys think this case will be in court since it's now reduced to one count?

I want to avoid as much as I can in the news

 

[Ashtanga]

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I wonder.... what are the chances of Katherine win this case? What do you think? :fear:

 

[Bubs]

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Ivy or anyone else know why LA County is listed as real party in interest? What LA County has got to do with this at all?
Parties
COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES - Real Party in Interest

 

[Petrarose]

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She does look like Demon Dimond, her attitude and the way she speaks of Michael. I only watched half of it and got sick of her. When T Mezz said about MJ swimming in propofol, she said that CM only gave him 25 mg, and MJ self administered the rest - she said MJ had his own stash. If I remember correctly, during the investigation, all the propofol bottles found in MJ's house were the ones CM ordered (serial numbers checked against the orders), so where is the bottle that MJ used for self administering?
Propofol is supposed to knock you out immediately, but obviously according to her and CM, MJ got up of his bed to get his own propofol bottle, administered it to himself, hid the bottle and then he was knocked out, all that while he was attached to the drip and there was needle in him?
She is as crazy as demon D and CM!

You forgot the part about the gloves. Don't forget that after he injected himself, he took the gloves off his hand, hid it, returned to bed and died. That is why his fingerprints were not found--he used the Billie Jean glove. Wass certainly needs to look at the evidence from the Muarry trial rather than spend time on facebook.