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elusive moonwalker said:
has fournier got issues with mj or what. so he didnt even know if mj even had one at that time yet jumps to huge conclusions that are now being turned into fact

i find it sad that no matter what facts are shown certain ppl repeatedly feel the need to come to a michael jackson board and try to defend those that are helping to deztroy what is left of mjs legacy in an effort to gain money because of laziness and greed
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"Mr. Fournier concedes in his deposition that he's speculating when he says that MJ knew he had the narcan implant inside his body and when he says thatMichael Jackson*purposefully did not tell him about it"

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I think Fournier found out that MJ had a narcan implant. The last part seems to be his answers to KJ's lawyers questions.

For example

KJ's lawyer might have asked him "You say that Michael Jackson did not tell you he had a narcan implant, do you have any idea whether MJ knew he had an implant or not? "

(in other words KJ's lawyers might have argued that some doctor put an implant in MJ and he did not know that he had it and/or what it is for)

Fournier might have testified to it saying "well it was in his body so I assume that he knew he had it"

and then the other question would be something like

"did Michael jackson ever tell you that he intentionally lied to you about the implant"

and

Fournier could have said something like " no but that's my opinion"

so hence KJ's lawyer writes that Fournier is speculating that MJ knew he had an implant and not mentioning it was intentional.

Again his deposition is conditionally under seal and I'm just speculating here.
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 2h
Before Panel O was brought in this morning, attorneys again argued extensively about whether some docs need to remain sealed.

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Jacksons' attorney, Brian Panish, told the court emphatically that he believes all docs should be unsealed, except for medical records

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AEG's attorney, Jessica Bina, argued that some docs provided in discovery that will not be used in the trial should be kept confidential

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 2h
An attorney for Michael Jackson's Estate appeared via phone and said the Estate is only concerned about the medical records being released

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AEG said they intend to introduce medical records related to Jackson's cosmetic and dental work to show his use of anesthetics

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Judge said she's inclined to unseal all the docs, except medical records, and lift the protective order, since info will be used in trial

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Judge rescheduled the hearing regarding sealing of the docs and protective order to Tuesday. Estate attorney to be present as well.
 
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KATHERINE JACKSON
SMELLS CONSPIRACY
Between Murray and AEG
EXCLUSIVE

Katherine Jackson thinks there's something rotten in both Denmark and L.A. County Jail ... because she just filed legal docs which insinuate AEG and Dr. Conrad Murray are conspiring together in the wrongful death lawsuit.

Katherine -- who has sued AEG Live for negligently hiring and supervising Murray -- wants to subpoena the visitors' logs from the jail, to determine if AEG has sent its employers, officers or lawyers to the pokey for chit-chat with the good Doc.

Katherine has put Murray on her witness list. Interestingly, AEG Live has not. It's obvious Katherine wants to know if AEG Live is trying to coach Murray or get info from him to defend the suit.

As we previously reported ... Murray wants to stay a mile away from the courthouse -- which ironically is exactly how far Murray's jail cell is from where the trial will take place.

Murray's lawyer, Valerie Wass, tells TMZ, "I believe the subpoena is a rather desperate, last-minute attempt by counsel for KJ and the children to try and find or create a surreptitious relationship between Dr. Murray and AEG." Wass then says flatly, "There is and has been no such relationship."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/12/kathe...eg-live-subpoena-visitors-list/#ixzz2QHVo9FtP
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I am glad the estate is trying to protect Michael in some way. Unlike everyone else.
 
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Bubs said:
ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 10h
Jacksons atty says all docs should be unsealed, except personal email addresses/phone numbers. "They want everyone not to see the evidence".

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AEG attorneys argue they only want a handful of docs sealed such as some financial reports, personal contact info, 3rd party social security

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AEG says the attorneys for Michael Jackson's Estate are the ones asking 4 sealing of substantial amount of docs. Issue 2 be discussed Monday

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April 24-25 are tentatively scheduled to be motions days. Judge will rule on the motions filed by both sides prior to beginning of trial

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Panish accused AEG attys from trying to keep evidence under seal so it cannot be discussed in trial. He said it's detrimental to his clients

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AEG says the sealing they're looking for are very narrow and relates to few docs only. They said the Estate is the one asking for broad seal
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Thank you estate for looking after MJ and his benefit during the trial.
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As usual it is always the estate looking after the interest of Michael. One would expect the family to be the one pushing for sealing sensitive information, but not those Jacksons!!! If the tabloids could misrepresent the story about the implant, can you imagine what they would do with Michael's information.

Katherine's side is too much. First the make a big show about having a judge command Muarry to do a deposition. When they get permission, they then refuse to depose him. Now they want to see who visits him. They are acting as though they are scared of something.

Now AEG will introduce documents to show Michael had anesthesia for cosmetic & dental work. Waw what a bombshell!! Didn't Michal know he was supposed to have surgery without having anesthesia, so that he could feel all the pain? I guess there is now a direct connection between taking anesthesia for surgery and prof use, and also being a doctor in debt and prof use.
 
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I agree it's sad to see that the Jackson family does not care about Michael's legacy and only cares about the money grab. Typically, they seem ready to trash the legacy for whatever money they can get. It shows that while Michael may have made a mistake in appointing KJ first place Guardian for the kids, he did not err in cutting his family out of control of his estate. If they had control, it would be a disaster. I am hoping this trial will be the last huge effort to grab the pot of gold they feel is rightfully theirs--b/c in their view, they OWN Michael Jackson and he belongs to them. He does not. Even though I loved my parents (both now deceased r.i.p.) and honor them, and my siblings, etc., I am my own person and no one should have the idea that another person belongs to them.
 
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The way they carrying on saying that MJ was addict for years, they cannot say in the same time that he would have lived to 80 years old and do tours rest of his life.
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I know its bit of a contradiction on their part lol
 
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jamba said:
I agree it's sad to see that the Jackson family does not care about Michael's legacy and only cares about the money grab. Typically, they seem ready to trash the legacy for whatever money they can get. It shows that while Michael may have made a mistake in appointing KJ first place Guardian for the kids, he did not err in cutting his family out of control of his estate. If they had control, it would be a disaster. I am hoping this trial will be the last huge effort to grab the pot of gold they feel is rightfully theirs--b/c in their view, they OWN Michael Jackson and he belongs to them. He does not. Even though I loved my parents (both now deceased r.i.p.) and honor them, and my siblings, etc., I am my own person and no one should have the idea that another person belongs to them.
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Janet once said: "to you, Michael is an icon, to us, Michael is family"
Joe once said: "He's worth more dead than when he was alive"

Janet was so wrong. To us, he is human, to them he is an ATM. They behave like Michael is they personal property, not human at all. Joe says it all, and that worth they are looking now with this trial.
 
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Petrarose said:
As usual it is always the estate looking after the interest of Michael. One would expect the family to be the one pushing for sealing sensitive information, but not those Jacksons!!! If the tabloids could misrepresent the story about the implant, can you imagine what they would do with Michael's information.

Katherine's side is too much. First the make a big show about having a judge command Muarry to do a deposition. When they get permission, they then refuse to depose him. Now they want to see who visits him. They are acting as though they are scared of something.
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I so wish that the estate could do more, but I guess their hands are tied. They should sit Katherine down and talk to her that what she is doing is going to hurt Michael and his kids. Although, I think they might have already tried:-(
 
I do not agree Bubs, Elusive Moonwalker, and Aquarius with your opinions regarding how the family (including Michael) dealt with their financial issues. It is fine if you do not agree with me. I do not believe supporting the plaintiffs’ in this legal matter affects Michael’s legacy negatively.

It is clear the plaintiffs AND the estate both want the medical records sealed. It is the defendants who want them to remain unsealed.

ivy;3806725 said:
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Jacksons' attorney, Brian Panish, told the court emphatically that he believes all docs should be unsealed, except for medical records

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
AEG's attorney, Jessica Bina, argued that some docs provided in discovery that will not be used in the trial should be kept confidential

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
An attorney for Michael Jackson's Estate appeared via phone and said the Estate is only concerned about the medical records being released
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^ That was an interesting read, thank you for sharing... So it could be possible that the implant was a way of trying to treat his lupus (which i think people seem to keep 'forgetting' he had), and theyre just jumping to the conclusion again saying he was a drug addict?
 
Tygger;3806537 said:
The Jackson parents and their nine children all had money issues at one time or another. This includes their son Michael.
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Do you not think that his family contributed to his financial issues?

I do not agree Bubs, Elusive Moonwalker, and Aquarius with your opinions regarding how the family (including Michael) dealt with their financial issues. It is fine if you do not agree with me. I do not believe supporting the plaintiffs’ in this legal matter affects Michael’s legacy negatively
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this trial has already attracted low life's speaking as Michaels 'friends', every headline regarding this trial is negative toward Michael, AEG will portray him as a druggie who would deceive in order to get what he wants and KJ will portray him as a well known druggie and that everybody knew it so should AEG. See the pattern? Perhaps in terms of his legacy regarding music won't be negatively affected but his character/personality sure as hell will be.
 
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laurenjayne said:
^ That was an interesting read, thank you for sharing... So it could be possible that the implant was a way of trying to treat his lupus (which i think people seem to keep 'forgetting' he had), and theyre just jumping to the conclusion again saying he was a drug addict?
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Naltrexone used to treat some of autoimmune diseases such as MS and Lupus is taken in general and especially for its initial use, orally and in very small doses starting by 1mg, while for alcoholism and addiction to opioids it is taken in high doses, from 10 to 50 times higher. Considering the dose, it is quite normal that people think that Narcan implant is used as a therapy for addiction rather than lupus.

(I just wanted to mention the difference, this is not to argue Michael was addicted. Only the doctor who did this medical procedure can tell. We'll see.)
 
Tygger;3806951 said:
I do not agree Bubs, Elusive Moonwalker, and Aquarius with your opinions regarding how the family (including Michael) dealt with their financial issues. It is fine if you do not agree with me. I do not believe supporting the plaintiffs’ in this legal matter affects Michael’s legacy negatively.

It is clear the plaintiffs AND the estate both want the medical records sealed. It is the defendants who want them to remain unsealed.
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It's ok if you don't want to agree with the facts, you're free to agree & believe in fantasies & lies.
 
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I'm so stumped by the so-called patterns that Michael Jackson enjoyed being high.

You can watch "This Is It" and see how focused Michael truly was. When Kenny Ortega and Michael Jackson were filming the "Thriller" sequence and Michael insisted that the actor look up into the camera, Michael was focused. When we saw Michael out and about with his children, at the toy store or an Art Show, we saw a focused parent.

Kenny Ortega stated Michael was the architect for the Shows in London, back in 2009. If Michael was responsible for making sure everything was perfect, than that means he was focused, not stoned out of his mind. Even Judith Hill said he was a perfectionist and she learned alot from Michael during those rehearsals. Why does Michael have to be so besmirched?

Michael had not toured since the HIStory tour, so now I'm expecting to believe that the whole time he wasn't touring he just wanted to feel lucid, whether awake or asleep? Now Katherine Jackson is complaining about a Conspiracy between Murray and AEG Live? What Katherine Jackson doesn't want to look bad in the public's eye?
 
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It is clear the plaintiffs AND the estate both want the medical records sealed. It is the defendants who want them to remain unsealed.
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A little correction: "want them remain unsealed" is wrong. They are currently sealed so they can't "remain" unsealed.

And let me give a little more info about how it will work.

currently medical documents are sealed and it means whenever they are filing a motion they need to file them under seal and/or redact the relevant portions. This protects the documents from becoming public before trial.

During trial there are two possibilities:

- anything that was previously sealed or marked confidential will lose that position if / when they are marked as an exhibit during trial. They become public record. (the advantage of this the documents that aren't used during trial keeps remaining confidential)

- if there are compelling reasons the documents can remain sealed / confidential during trial and this is achieved by closing the courtroom and sealing the transcripts. It's a lot harder on the court to manage it but any and all document used during trial remains fully confidential.
 
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Bubs thanks for the implant information. We don't know what it was used for whether lupus or addiction, but the point is everyone ran with the reason being he was addicted. No one in the media ever suggest that drugs are used for multiple purposes. I wonder which dr inserted this in 03?

I don't want this to happen, but I was thinking--if Katherine dies will this case continue? Anyone knows?
 
Last Tear, Aquarius, no, I do not think any monies Michael gave to his family contributed to his financial issues in any substantial way. If he had the monies to give, he was kind enough to give it. I applaud Michael for doing that; I do not pan it because it was a family member as opposed to the other leeches in his life. The large debts Michael left did not include family members.

I agree there have been negative headlines about Michael but, it has always been that way. There are no NEW negative headlines; they really are all the same in some way to me. Michael had negative headlines during his life and they continued after his death. They continue throughout the criminal trial and now through the civil trial.

Ivy, I thought the defendants had the medical records unsealed through the Court of Appeals.

Additionally all but one of her claims against the remaining defendants were dismissed and the California Court of Appeals ordered Michael’s medical records unsealed.
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When Michael was alive he had negative headlines. Enough already. Let him rest in peace.
 
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Mj himself said he had issues in the early 00's and i personally know of events from 03. so such a thing would be not surprising. it just showed he was dealing with it. my problem is the judge allows highly speculative issues to be brought up aslong as it attacks mj.
 
Ivy, I thought the defendants had the medical records unsealed through the Court of Appeals.

Additionally all but one of her claims against the remaining defendants were dismissed and the California Court of Appeals ordered Michael’s medical records unsealed.
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actually AEG never asked anything to be unsealed, they filed everything redacted. Court ordered documents unsealed and AEG asked for a reconsideration (relief from) unsealing. Estate also filed a third party motion. Court of appeals granted this relief and continued to keep documents sealed.

03/14/2013 Order filed. petitioner's application for relief from March 12 order regarding sealed documents granted. (see order) Petitioner's still required to file under oath statement justifying the continued sealing of documents by March 18.
 
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Ivy, isn't that AEG's emails that were successfully sealed for them by the Court of Appeals?

I remember you saying they received a temporary seal for their emails.

Question please because it is confusing: why would the Court of Appeals unseal the medical records if no party (plaintiffs, defendants, estate as 3rd party) requested it?
 
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Bubs said:
Janet once said: "to you, Michael is an icon, to us, Michael is family"
Joe once said: "He's worth more dead than when he was alive"

Janet was so wrong. To us, he is human, to them he is an ATM. They behave like Michael is they personal property, not human at all. Joe says it all, and that worth they are looking now with this trial.
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Yes, I agree re the personal property. That whole idea of 'family' is kind of creepy to me--as if, once you are born into this 'family'--which you had no control over--you can never leave. That's false. People leave their birth families to form another of their own making--it's called "independence."--and of course, often they keep in touch with their birth families, but they get to choose which members they want to be close to and when. I agree there's this possessive ownership that is creepy to me, especially given that there was an abusive background, which anyone in their right mind would want to leave behind. It's as if they can't let him go.
 
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Tygger said:
Last Tear, Aquarius, no, I do not think any monies Michael gave to his family contributed to his financial issues in any substantial way. If he had the monies to give, he was kind enough to give it. I applaud Michael for doing that; I do not pan it because it was a family member as opposed to the other leeches in his life. The large debts Michael left did not include family members.
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His family always hounded him for financial support and his siblings will often use KJ to force MJ hand. MJ borrowed a lot of money during his life and part of it was used to support his family, including paying for their kids care, education and child support. the pressure they placed on him was huge, hence he tried to distance himself from them most of his life looking for surrogate families like the chandlers, azviros and so on. but he got burned by those families as greed took center stage.
 
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jamba said:
Yes, I agree re the personal property. That whole idea of 'family' is kind of creepy to me--as if, once you are born into this 'family'--which you had no control over--you can never leave. That's false. People leave their birth families to form another of their own making--it's called "independence."--and of course, often they keep in touch with their birth families, but they get to choose which members they want to be close to and when. I agree there's this possessive ownership that is creepy to me, especially given that there was an abusive background, which anyone in their right mind would want to leave behind. It's as if they can't let him go.
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This has to do with the fact that MJ was wealthy. I doubt his family would go after him if he was not. As Latoya once said "follow the money."
 
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MJ's videos to be shown in court to show evidence of addiction problems
London, Apr 14 (ANI): As his family continues their 26 billion-pound court case against concert firm AEG, lawyers for the company will show film of Michael Jackson apparently drunk or under the influence of drugs in a bid to prove that he had long-standing addiction problems.

But the Jackson family, who are claiming AEG is responsible for the Thriller star's "wrongful death", will play their own home videos, the Sun reported.

They will show the pop legend playing with his kids and portraying him as a normal and happy family man.

The videos and films are listed in hundreds of exhibits both sides want to put before the sensational trial, which could last up to four months.

"This is no-holds-barred stuff and will be the biggest insight yet into Jackson's life. Effectively he is giving evidence from beyond the grave for both sides. It's an extraordinary turn of events," a source said.

The Jacksons claim that AEG, who were organising a series of 50 concerts by the star at London's O2 Arena, were negligent in hiring Conrad Murray, the doctor who was with Jackson, when he died of a drug overdose in 2009.

They say Murray, currently serving four years for manslaughter for his involvement in Jackson's death, already had 286,000 pounds of lost court cases against him.

Both sides want to call nearly 100 witnesses in the Los Angeles trial, including the star's former staff and bodyguards. (ANI)

http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsd...t-to-show-evidence-of-addiction-problems.html
 
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AEG, lawyers for the company will show film of Michael Jackson apparently drunk or under the influence of drugs in a bid to prove that he had long-standing addiction problems.
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I hope that is not true? If so WHO the hell was taping him like that when he wasn't allegedly well? :angry: SMH
 
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