[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

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What does Michael's assistant said about AEG?

I know AEG has to go full force but, what does Michael going with Bubbles to dinners, etc, has to do with the trial?

Does anyone knows who said Michael was paying Conrad?

Bubbles etc - is probably just a quote for the CNN story and not going to mentioned at trial

As for "who said Michael was paying Conrad", Paris's answers to written questions included that Michael gave her money to give to Murray and Murray refused. so I'm thinking it's the kids that have said either Michael wanted to give money to Murray and/or that Michael gave money to murray.
 
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Thanks Ivy.

You just make me remember Paris' statement.
 
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Why does Michael always have to be punished like this? I don't understand what he ever did to be treated this way. Even in death it doesn't change. I don't understand. His memory is being trashed and nobody cares. His children might testify which you know Michael would hate and nobody cares. I wish it would stop.
 
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I never said I was glad it was proven based on DD article or that I thought is was proven period. I don't think anything was proven by her crap article, I just said I wish it could be proven. I already know the info about Stacey and Jermaine's book well before DD posted that excerpt from it. I'm sure most of us have. I was not speaking for MJJC , I was speaking my own personal opinion about that particular matter. I should not have brought it up in this thread so other could state I or MJJC was supporting DD. Which she didn't even state she agreed with it. So I wasn't upholding her views in any way. I've held that position for a long time know.

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and since I have digressed on that opinion and believe it would not be beneficial for MJ if Jermaine was proven to have made those statements. I wasn't thinking how it would effect him in that people would believe it. I was thinking people have better sense than to believe it even if it was proven Jermaine said it... but in reality they don't.
 
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I never said I was glad it was proven based on DD article or that I thought is was proven period. I don't think anything was proven by her crap article, I said I wish it could be proven.

Why do you wish it could be proven that one more person threw allegations at Michael, especially his own relative? Don't we have enough people who think he was a child molester? If Jermaine really said this and this tape ever comes out, it will be a huge blow to Michael. People will say, "Well, even his family said so! They sure saw more than we did." I feel that sometimes in an attempt to paint Jacksons as evil family fans forget that in the end it all backfires on Michael. Every stupid move, every word of BS that comes out of this family's mouth reflects on Michael in the eyes of the general public. Jermaine did a good job defending Michael in his last book. Let's not ruin it - in a matter like this, where (it seems) we will never hear from the actual witnesses, it all comes down to which side sounds more convincing. And every small victory is important.

Back on topic, I'm praying that the judge denies media presence. The less information for the media - the less airtime and space they devote to it, the less mud in Michael's direction. It's been established that Conrad Murray is responsible for his death. The fuss between Jacksons and AEG is irrelevant from the historic perspective. The less of this sh*t surfaces, the better.
 
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AEG better be careful of putting MJ on trial.. you don't put the dead man on trial
In reality both side will be doing that. Putting him on trail and portraying him negatively to prove their points and win the case. Billions of $$$$ makes alright to throw MJ under the bus I guess in some eyes. Ill be so glad when this is done and behind us, but lots of damage will be done to MJs good name in the process. We ain't seen nothing yet, just wait till the trial starts. There will be no justice for Michael here no matter who wins IMO. :(
 
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Why do you wish it could be proven that one more person threw allegations at Michael, especially his own relative? Don't we have enough people who think he was a child molester? If Jermaine really said this and this tape ever comes out, it will be a huge blow to Michael. People will say, "Well, even his family said so! They sure saw more than we did." I feel that sometimes in an attempt to paint Jacksons as evil family fans forget that in the end it all backfires on Michael. Every stupid move, every word of BS that comes out of this family's mouth reflects on Michael in the eyes of the general public. Jermaine did a good job defending Michael in his last book. Let's not ruin it - in a matter like this, where (it seems) we will never hear from the actual witnesses, it all comes down to which side sounds more convincing. And every small victory is important.

Back on topic, I'm praying that the judge denies media presence. The less information for the media - the less airtime and space they devote to it, the less mud in Michael's direction. It's been established that Conrad Murray is responsible for his death. The fuss between Jacksons and AEG is irrelevant from the historic perspective. The less of this sh*t surfaces, the better.

You're right morinen. It wouldn't be good if that was proven, becuase it would be be turned negative toward MJ. I wasn't thinking that far ahead when I said it. So I digress. It was a selfish wish on my part and hope is isn't proven for Michael's sake only. Thanks for opening my eyes.
 
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Stacey Brown did an interview with that website called Music factory or whatever it's called? I know it was posted here before and discussed! In which he finally admitted that the book Jermaine was writing with his so called help wasn't anything bad about MJ! So what the hell is DD talking about now? Did Stacey Brown changed his story yet again?! Or is she just rehashing old news like she does best? And if he doesn't want to testify then it's really irrelevant to even bring it up anyway. I knew she would use this trial to bring up yet again those allegations, she will never give it a rest that's why she is all over this, she as an agenda. But, I just wanted to say that Stacey already admitted he lied about the stuff Jermaine allegedly had told him about to write a book. Say what u will about Jermaine but, he would never say MJ was a pedo.
 
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Wasn't this Brown person found to be a liar in the 05 trial, or am I mixing up the people, but here we have AEG going to someone like that for information. I have no respect for the family or AEG. Now let's hear what Jermaine has to say about that. Anyway lately Jermaine has not been responding to the trash that Brown has been writing about him, so maybe he has decided to ignore Brown.

How about the part where Michael appeared at the announcement speaking slow & sluring his speech. How come I did not hear that. All I heard was him speaking in his usual slow distinct way, as he did in TII when he was telling that guy how to play his music, or even when he explained to Eddie Murphy what happened to his leg. Then, they slip in he "giggled," as though some mysterious drug did that. Michael was laughing because the crowd as clapping & making him feel loved and welcome, so there is no bombshell about the fact that he laughed. Notice they never say Michael laughed--he always giggles as though he is a demented fool. So now not only all the things he did were suspect, but now all the things he said & the way he said it.

Then we have AEG lawyer putting his foot in his mouth again with : Jackson's eccentricities are fair game, AEG Live says
"We're talking about Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "This is a man who would show up in pajamas. This is a man who would stop traffic and get out and dance on top of his car. This is a man who would go to public events with a monkey named Bubbles. This is a man who said he slept in an oxygen chamber."
Here he is giving tabloid stories again.

If anyone remember TMez never did interviews with the media. In fact he stated they tried to contact him & he made an effort not to engage in discussion with them, because they can misrepresent what you say. He said he saw lawyers talking to the media because they become excited with the stardom and they end up looking foolish, which to me is how AEG's attorney looks now.
 
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Back on topic, I'm praying that the judge denies media presence. The less information for the media - the less airtime and space they devote to it, the less mud in Michael's direction. It's been established that Conrad Murray is responsible for his death. The fuss between Jacksons and AEG is irrelevant from the historic perspective. The less of this sh*t surfaces, the better.
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agree.is the hearing for that today??

and once again alan duke is doing the jacksons bidding. the jacksons are the ones putting mj on trial. they are the ones who started this lawsuit. they are the ones calling mj and druggie and a alkie in order to help their case regardless of it .being lies. its so pathetic how the family act like they are trying to protect mj when they have done more damage than many others and care about him the least. its all one big game to them.and now cnn are showing a documentry. u have to presume that everything CNN is doing is with the support of the family. duke wanting the media in this documentry. as duke/cnn wouldnt want to bite the hand that feeds them. so i guess this docu will be basically telling the story from the families side like the people mag article.

re gongaware.being on tour with mj.correct me if im wrong but he wasnt a manager just someone brought in later on to help with the finances of the tour as to much was being spent. dont think he actually spent that much time in mjs presence and tmk never mentioned anything about drugs. its just another typcial jackson claim of because gongaware was around on those tours he should have known about diprivan. and that murray was doing the same.going by that logic ppl like karen faye who were actually around mj on a personal level on all of the tours are more liable than gongaware but then she isnt connected to AEG
 
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i'm praying that the judge denies media presence. The less information for the media - the less airtime and space they devote to it, the less mud in michael's direction. It's been established that conrad murray is responsible for his death. The fuss between jacksons and aeg is irrelevant from the historic perspective. The less of this sh*t surfaces, the better.

Amen!!!
 
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Putnam questioned why their lawyers would call them to testify, suggesting it was "for the emotional response."

"I can't understand why bringing them to the stand has anything to do with whether or not Dr. Conrad Murray was hired by AEG or hired negligently. But perhaps they're bringing them to the stand for different reasons."


I think he hit the nail in the head with this one.
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He bristled at the allegation, made by the Jackson lawyers in a court filing last month, that he was "behaving aggressively and erratically" in his questioning of Prince Jackson.

"We went out of our way to ensure we did precisely not that," Putnam said. "They may want to try to make the world believe that AEG Live is doing something inappropriate as to these children, but I'd ask the world to pause for a moment and look at what's actually happening here. They're the ones who are bringing this lawsuit and they're the ones who are saying they're going to put these children on the stand, something that I'm relatively certain their father would never, ever want to occur."

Jackson lawyers, he said, "are trying to sensationalize things that never happened" with their allegations about the way Prince was treated, he said. "I think in that scenario they're going to try to whip things up into a frenzy in the hopes that justice will not be served."

I agree with this one too.
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While Murray has indicated he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right to avoid answering questions, Putnam pointed to the interview the doctor gave to police two days after Jackson's June 25, 2009, death. Murray told detectives it was his understanding that he was Jackson's employee, not AEG Live's, even though the concert promoter would be the party cutting his paychecks.


"He was chosen by Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "He was brought to Los Angeles by Michael Jackson. He had been Michael Jackson's long-time physician and continued in that capacity and was directed by him and could only be fired at will by him."
AEG Live became involved with Murray only after Jackson had persuaded him to join his "tour party" for the "This Is It" concerts, Putnam said. "Then what happens is AEG starts to go back and forth with him and his attorney, Dr. Conrad Murray, with drafts of contracts."


The unsigned contract and the oral understanding with Murray called for the doctor to be paid $150,000 a month while he served as Jackson's personal physician while he performed 50 shows at London's O2 Arena in the second half of 2009 and into 2010.
AEG's role was like MasterCard, lawyer says

AEG Live's role with Murray was only to "forward" money owed to him by Jackson, just as a patient would use their "MasterCard," Putnam said. "If you go to your doctor and you pay with a credit card, obviously MasterCard in that instance, depending on your credit card, is providing the money to that doctor for services until you pay it back. Now, are you telling them MasterCard in some measure in that instance, did MasterCard hire the doctor or did you? Well, clearly you did. I think the analogy works in this instance."
In fact, Putnam said, he learned during the discovery process that Michael Jackson was paying Murray during the last two months of his life. "He was paying for him during his entire time in Los Angeles and during the time we're talking about, Dr. Conrad Murray was being paid by Michael Jackson," he said. "We know this. We know this because the plaintiffs have said so."

They have a strong argument here, and that is a new revelation that MJ was already paying him.
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The revelation that Jackson paid Murray during that period has not been reported. Jackson lawyers declined to comment, citing ethical limitations to their ability to talk to the media about the case.

:doh: That didn't stop them leaking emails or giving scoops to their chosen tabloids and AD.
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"Mr. Jackson was not in a position to get up on the stage and do the rehearsal because he had flu-like symptoms," Putnam said. "He was cold, he was shaky and as a result he didn't perform that evening."

"People were worried about that flu," so AEG Live executives called a meeting with Jackson and Murray the next day at Jackson's home to discuss it, he said.

To be honest, who would have thought that MJ symptoms were caused by CM giving propofol and other drugs to MJ in nightly bases?
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"So Mr. Phillips went to that meeting at Mr. Jackson's home, that would be on the 20th of June, that's five days before Mr. Jackson passed," Putnam said. "And they got there, and Mr. Jackson was emphatic about the idea that he was great. 'You guys are all worrying about nothing. Look at me. I am fine.'"

I wonder if they have witness, other than AEG employee that witnesses what MJ said?
If they have, Jackson's case looks weaker and weaker.
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If there had been a health problem with Jackson, AEG Live would have had no problem postponing the start of the tour, he said.
"AEG Live had already moved the concerts because they weren't going to be ready in time for early July because of the number of set pieces Mr. Jackson wanted," he said. "There would be no rush for AEG Live to have to get to the stage by, I think at that point, by July 13th. If there was a problem here AEG wanted to know there was a problem because they could simply move the concerts."

The 50 shows were to be spread out over a year in the O2 Arena, which AEG owned and controlled, he said. "AEG had no interest in rushing to get to July 13th. On the contrary, if there was an issue they would have wanted to know."

Another thing that speaks on AEG's behalf. AEG already postponed some of the concert dates, and RP in his smoking gun email never said anything that they are not going to postponing concerts dates, he wrote they cannot be forced to cancel the gigs, but nothing about postponing them, so they can use that for their defense.
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"Mr. Jackson is a person who was known to doctor shop," Putnam said. "He was known to be someone who would tell one doctor one thing and another doctor something else."

The child molestation trial is relevant because it "resulted in an incredible increase in his drug intake," Putnam said.

Jackson's eccentricities are fair game, AEG Live says
"We're talking about Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "This is a man who would show up in pajamas. This is a man who would stop traffic and get out and dance on top of his car. This is a man who would go to public events with a monkey named Bubbles. This is a man who said he slept in an oxygen chamber."

How nasty!
I wonder is this really what that lawyer said or is this CNN editing at work? MJ never said that he slept in oxygen chamber, or did he?
 
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...he learned during the discovery process that Michael Jackson was paying Murray during the last two months of his life. "He was paying for him during his entire time in Los Angeles and during the time we're talking about, Dr. Conrad Murray was being paid by Michael Jackson

Well, they can't have it both ways. Either Michael was SO broke that they(AEG) were paying for EVERYthing for him and the children from the house & food to toilet paper, OR he wasn't BROKE and was paying CM
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^ To be fair, when Randy P wrote about MJ being broke, he didn't know about MJ paying to CM, it came up during discovery process from plaintiffs.

Anyways, I doubt AEG wholly knew what was Michael's money situation.
People say many things when they are angry.
 
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@MsMo There were some cash advances to Michael.

They know this because the plaintiffs told them so????
 
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Stacey Brown did an interview with that website called Music factory or whatever it's called? I know it was posted here before and discussed! In which he finally admitted that the book Jermaine was writing with his so called help wasn't anything bad about MJ! So what the hell is DD talking about now? Did Stacey Brown changed his story yet again?! Or is she just rehashing old news like she does best? And if he doesn't want to testify then it's really irrelevant to even bring it up anyway. I knew she would use this trial to bring up yet again those allegations, she will never give it a rest that's why she is all over this, she as an agenda. But, I just wanted to say that Stacey already admitted he lied about the stuff Jermaine allegedly had told him about to write a book. Say what u will about Jermaine but, he would never say MJ was a pedo.

http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.fr/2011/05/stacy-brown-breaks-his-silence-about.html
 
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Jackson's eccentricities are fair game, AEG Live says
"We're talking about Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "This is a man who would show up in pajamas. This is a man who would stop traffic and get out and dance on top of his car. This is a man who would go to public events with a monkey named Bubbles. This is a man who said he slept in an oxygen chamber."

AEG said this what the hell?????
 
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Re : Michael paying Murray. By that time AEG had advanced millions of dollars - even in cash- to Michael. Michael could have been paying Murray from that money. Paris in her answers said that Michael gave her money to give it Murray and Murray did not accept it. I'm thinking it's possible that the kids or Michael gave Murray money. This is a significant information - if true.

Re : AEG's comments calling Michael "eccentric". That's for the media. I'm pretty sure they won't mention those during the trial. Jacksons have been slandering them, and it seems they are returning the favor.
 
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Re : AEG's comments calling Michael "eccentric". That's for the media. I'm pretty sure they won't mention those during the trial. Jacksons have been slandering them, and it seems they are returning the favor.



But still ugh wish they didnt say that it totally uncalled for
 
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In fact, Putnam said, he learned during the discovery process that Michael Jackson was paying Murray during the last two months of his life. "He was paying for him during his entire time in Los Angeles and during the time we're talking about, Dr. Conrad Murray was being paid by Michael Jackson," he said. "We know this. We know this because the plaintiffs have said so."

Well, well, well! That certainly is NEW news and provided by the plaintiffs to boot.

Since Putnam has never spoke of that before, I "wonder" if that was some of the information which was gleaned from Prince's deposition. I had said earlier that Prince's deposition was stopped, not because AEG was being harsh, but because he was NOT helping his Grandmother's case. Might be true, might not be true, but it definitely makes sense.

On a side note, I can definitely see Michael throwing a few dollars in Murray's direction. I mean, the contract wasn't signed yet. Murray was not being paid officially yet. And Michael Jackson was just that type of guy, in my opinion, i.e. "here's a few dollars to hold you down, until everything becomes official."
 
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Stacey Brown did an interview with that website called Music factory or whatever it's called? I know it was posted here before and discussed! In which he finally admitted that the book Jermaine was writing with his so called help wasn't anything bad about MJ! So what the hell is DD talking about now? Did Stacey Brown changed his story yet again?! Or is she just rehashing old news like she does best? And if he doesn't want to testify then it's really irrelevant to even bring it up anyway. I knew she would use this trial to bring up yet again those allegations, she will never give it a rest that's why she is all over this, she as an agenda. But, I just wanted to say that Stacey already admitted he lied about the stuff Jermaine allegedly had told him about to write a book. Say what u will about Jermaine but, he would never say MJ was a pedo.


Muzic wrote a 2nd article and interview with Stacey a month later called ...

Confirmed Jermaine Jackson did write a disparging book about Michael
http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/...did-write.html

The 2nd interview completly debunked the first interview ..
as if anything stacy says confirms anything one way or another - NOT

Muzik said she interviewed him a month later because she didn't trust all he said in the first interview. The 2nd interview he tells a complete different story. Stacy contradicted himself several times and then stated Jermain himself changed the content of the book to negative things. first he said MJ did then he said Lawanda did then he said Jermaine did. He would say one thing and then contradict it the very next question she asked. It was very weird. I don't trust anything Stacey says one way or another.. You can't because he isn't consistent. I think he just makes it up as he goes along. So we cant use either interview or article for proof of anything. The man lies though his teeth. How can we know when he is telling the truth .. We cant _he is a compulsive Liar
 
MsMo;3799928 said:
Debra Opri, once part of Michael Jackson's legal team joins us live from LA.

She reveals more on the £26 billion that the Jackson family are claiming in a lawsuit against the concert promoters behind his aborted comeback tour.

Video only available in the UK: http://www.itv.com/daybreak/hottopics/the-michael-jackson-trial/#.UVqzR2cBTag.facebook

Someone please transcribe

Sorry if I missed anything.

Nothing much that we don't already know, Debra Opri stated that she doesn't think the children will testify, that it's only relevant if they heard murray say he worked for their father, she thinks that getting the children to testify will backfire on AEG as a jury will not take kindly to the children testifying.

*clueless*

She was asked how the molestation charges were relevant and she stated it only would be if he was having trouble sleeping and was medicated during that time.

*funny, I thought it was loss of earnings*
 
MsMo;3799928 said:
Debra Opri, once part of Michael Jackson's legal team joins us live from LA.

She reveals more on the £26 billion that the Jackson family are claiming in a lawsuit against the concert promoters behind his aborted comeback tour.

Video only available in the UK: http://www.itv.com/daybreak/hottopics/the-michael-jackson-trial/#.UVqzR2cBTag.facebook

Someone please transcribe

They say nothing bad in this interview with Debra. They ask her if she thinks the children will testify and she says no. She thinks that in the end AEG will have it backfire on them and that in the end Katherine doesn´t want them to testify. And that we need to see what the children will bring to the table about what they heard and saw in the terms of employment regarding Murray.

She say Jackson´s are entitled to something.

They may not go over the charges but what is relevant is Michael´s physical and mental state of mind during that very high pressured trial. Was he medicated, did he have difficult sleeping, and were this symptoms and behavior similar to what happened when he was preparing for the concerts.
 
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They ask her if she thinks the children will testify and she says no. She thinks that in the end AEG will have it backfire on them and that in the end Katherine doesn´t want them to testify.

I'm I missing something, or is Ms. Opri just another ill-informed contributor who has no idea what she's talking about?

I mean, isn't it Mother's side who got Michael's children involved in this drama. With Alan Duke being the one who is spreading the news that Prince WILL in fact testify for his Grandmother's side.
 
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The children do not have to testify in court. The Jackson want Prince to testify he volunteered.
Paris was not going to .. so its only if they want. So she has that all backwards that AEG is forcing them to..
anyway that how I've understood it ..
 
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I'm I missing something, or is Ms. Opri just another ill-informed contributor who has no idea what she's talking about?

I mean, isn't it Mother's side who got Michael's children involved in this drama. With Alan Duke being the one who is spreading the news that Prince WILL in fact testify for his Grandmother's side.

You are not missing anything, it's why I put 'clueless' under my post. lol She is clearly as accurate as Oxman.

The children are on KJ's witness list.
 
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