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Ingelief said:
thats horrible

how can a doctor not no cpr???


And no you can not inject yourself, and yes a body can get used to propofol so you need more to be under.. dont know the english name.. you need more then the first time..
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Yes, you can inject yourself, hundred of times. You don't need a doctor to get your fix. You also can't built a tolerant to propofol, which is why doctors mocked Murray's wean theory and Michael need more of a dosage.

Do some research before you make post like this.
 
Justthefacts said:
An person addicted to Propofol injects themselves over 100 a day for there fix.
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thats not 100% true. peopl who are addicted USUALLY inject MULTIPLE TIMES a day. i also dont think there is enough info on this to really say what is what. i also never said addicted. i said dependent
 
ivy said:
One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says the pop star's two eldest children watched as the doctor charged in the singer's death frantically attempted to revive him in the bedroom of his rented mansion.

Faheem Muhammad testified Tuesday in Los Angeles that Dr. Conrad Murray appeared panicked as he performed chest compressions on the singer on a bed. Muhammad says the doctor asked at one point whether anyone knew CPR.

The guard says he saw Jackson's children Prince and Paris watching their father, who he described laying on the bed with his eyes and mouth wide open. Muhammad says Paris was crying on the floor and he eventually escorted them from the room.

The testimony comes in a preliminary hearing to determine if Murray must stand trial on a charge of involuntary manslaughter for injecting Jackson with an anesthetic to help him sleep. Murray has pleaded not guilty.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7365686.html
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This is so heart-wrenching hearing about the chlidren. Murray should have never called for Prince knowing that there were other adults in the house.

As for asking if anyone knew CPR, initially, I was like WTF! But, perhaps he wanted someone to "take" over. That wouldn't be unusual if the doctor or primary caregiver wanted to be freed up to do other life-saving tasks. But, that is giving him the benefit of the doubt; the prosecution is already saying that he didn't even do that right.
 
Given how I'm feeling and how I'm sure others are feeling as well as this whole thing unfolds, I would appreciate it if some would address the information that is being expressed in court and stop making back-handed comments that obviously is a dig at Michael.

If this is what some of you intend on doing for this trial, please desist. All it does is cause unneccessary drama and chaos.

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This is like an episode of the Twilight Zone......unfreakin' believable!
 
at ramona

im sorry but i asked a doctor, thats more than research on the net. the way you talk to me is absurb and not nice. you can not inject yourself because withing sec you are gone and then awake again.. my doctor a specialist in propofol told me

so back off and be nice.. im nice to everyone..
 
chanel05 said:
thats not 100% true. peopl who are addicted USUALLY inject MULTIPLE TIMES a day. i also dont think there is enough info on this to really say what is what. i also never said addicted. i said dependent
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Why is everyone going on about this whether you can or cannot inject yourself doesn't come into it because Murray already admitted that HE GAVE Michael the propofol!!
 
Ingelief said:
ive posted some questions but it seems like the thread is going to fast to someone answer it

Is the footage going to be used the 100 hours of rehearsal?
how many people we now know where arqueing with murray before his death? kenny? lee? (indirect then) michael doubting??
And what did murray say about michael not feeling wel three days?
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we dont know what exactly will be used in court. this is just the prelim and the prosecution is laying out there case and the judge is decinding if there is enough evidence for it to go to trial. the prosecution is presenting their witnesses over the next 7 or 8 days. muarry would be for the defense and IF HE EVER TAKES THE STAND, it will be during the trail not the prelim hearing
 
ivy said:
One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says the pop star's two eldest children watched as the doctor charged in the singer's death frantically attempted to revive him in the bedroom of his rented mansion.

Faheem Muhammad testified Tuesday in Los Angeles that Dr. Conrad Murray appeared panicked as he performed chest compressions on the singer on a bed. Muhammad says the doctor asked at one point whether anyone knew CPR.

The guard says he saw Jackson's children Prince and Paris watching their father, who he described laying on the bed with his eyes and mouth wide open. Muhammad says Paris was crying on the floor and he eventually escorted them from the room.

The testimony comes in a preliminary hearing to determine if Murray must stand trial on a charge of involuntary manslaughter for injecting Jackson with an anesthetic to help him sleep. Murray has pleaded not guilty.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7365686.html
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If I was the prosecution that (CPR on a bed- hard surface required) is one of the points that would be hammered home. The other ones would be:
1) He FRANTICALLY administered CPR? Doctors are usually very calm in stressful situations like this- they know - or should know- panicking can kill their patients. What had him so freaked out (maybe knowing he administered a drug he should not have and then LEFT his patient?)

2) He asked if anyone knew CPR... Excuse me? Every time I hear this I have to pinch myself. He's a doctor right? Not just any doctor- a cardiologist. In CPR you compress the heart.

3) Time lapse to call 911 - There are some states you, as a layman can be held criminally responsible if you delay or forgo calling 911. So, this is negligent in itself.

4) And- A drug was administered in a setting it is not intended for and without proper monitoring (that should be Nr 1). If Michael felt well or not or had the chills or not a week before should not matter. Cause of death was ruled- and we know what that was.

5)It is almost impossible to self administer this drug- due to the anethetic effect.

I think testemony today started to lay those foundations for these arguments. Those are the facts as there are witnesses, the autopsy findings, and standards of medical care that Murray was obligated to.
Everything else just clouds the facts.

As I am typing this, trying to NOt get distracted, I am outraged by the thought of the children witnessing all this.
 
for point 2 cpr is not only pomp the heart, you have to give oxydan, and thats more difficult than you thing

i have my cpr and you have to do a chinlift to get oxy in the longs.. also the terms are 30 heart 2 month
 
JMie said:
he knew he needed help to deal with his insomnia. that's why he hired a doctor. and that doctor KILLED him.

I don't understand why all these things are being discussed at all. First there was 10 pages of vitiligo cream talk, and now this.
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mj didnt hire muarry to HELP HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEM and we all know that. he hired muarry to HELP HIM SLEEP. also muarry would be a doctor to go to for a cardiovascular(heart) problem. muarry is a cardiologist and not a sleep specialist.

i love mj with all my heart but lets not act like we dont know what was going on here.
 
I just one to ask, was other members not allowed before to access this section of the board? the ignorance taking place is just too much. :mello:


elusive moonwalker said:
murray gave two stories. first one he gave the dip at 10.30 found mj around 11am. he then changed his story and said it was around 11.30 and found at 12
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It seems the prosecution are going with the second one the propofol started at 11:40 am.
OK, as for the delay which was " between 20 to at least 9 minutes " :
The last phone call to his babymama started at 11: 50 am ?
Ended at 12:03
Amir was called at 12:05 and the 911 call was made at 12: ?

They are saying while he was talking to his babymama he dropped the phone but the babaymama was still able to hear what was happening. So that's when they started to count. Either he dropped the phone at the beginning of the conversation or later , that's how they got that betweent 20 to 9 minutes.
 
Sophielo said:
May I remind everyone that any discussion or insinuation that Michael was addicted to drugs will not be tolerated and is strictly against the rules. Anyone making such claims will be infractioned. This is something we are very strict on and will not tolerate anyone suggesting Michael was a drug addict. Thanks.
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I'm sorry, I just got the 'infraction' message. I was not trying to imply that MJ was an addict and I figured out later that the word "rehab" probably has a harsher meaning than what I was trying to say.

Bottom line from what I meant was: MJ should've had a real doctor that would've said: 'there's no way I'm giving you propofol to sleep, that's not what it's meant to be used for, or certainly not outside of a hospital. If you have problems sleeping we can get you some kind of help, cause this is not healthy".
 
chanel05 said:
mj didnt hire muarry to HELP HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEM and we all know that. he hired muarry to HELP HIM SLEEP. also muarry would be a doctor to go to for a cardiovascular(heart) problem. muarry is a cardiologist and not a sleep specialist.

i love mj with all my heart but lets not act like we dont know what was going on here.
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Where are the moderators??? Unbelievable.
 
chanel05 said:
mj didnt hire muarry to HELP HIS INSOMNIA PROBLEM and we all know that. he hired muarry to HELP HIM SLEEP. also muarry would be a doctor to go to for a cardiovascular(heart) problem. muarry is a cardiologist and not a sleep specialist.

i love mj with all my heart but lets not act like we dont know what was going on here.
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Lol, huh? :scratch:
 
Some time ago we had a member on this board, he was an adherent Murray supporter and blamed everything on Michael, he loved to play devil's advocate.. unfortunately I can't remember his name for the love of my life, someone in this thread reminds me awfully of this banned member.
 
twinklEE said:
Some time ago we had a member on this board, he was an adherent Murray supporter and blamed everything on Michael, he loved to play devil's advocate.. unfortunately I can't remember his name for the love of my life, someone in this thread reminds me awfully of this banned member.
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Beachlover?
 
amir was called at 12:05 and the 911 call was made at 12: ?
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12.21


at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes. is that nicole was she not in L.A?


At 11:18am he called his Las Vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another Las Vegas phone for 3 minutes

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes.

at 12:05 pm he called MJ's assistant.

at 12: 21 pm paramedics were called


also if the D.A is going with the second timeline that means murray was on the phone non stop from aprox 11.15 till the times given above. so hes sat with the phone under his chin while injecting mj and not watching him
 
at twinklee i dont see that?? i see people with different oppinion and not native speakers who try to express themselfs maybe the wrong way but i dont read murray fans here,,
 
ivy said:
One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says the pop star's two eldest children watched as the doctor charged in the singer's death frantically attempted to revive him in the bedroom of his rented mansion.

Faheem Muhammad testified Tuesday in Los Angeles that Dr. Conrad Murray appeared panicked as he performed chest compressions on the singer on a bed. Muhammad says the doctor asked at one point whether anyone knew CPR.

The guard says he saw Jackson's children Prince and Paris watching their father, who he described laying on the bed with his eyes and mouth wide open. Muhammad says Paris was crying on the floor and he eventually escorted them from the room.

The testimony comes in a preliminary hearing to determine if Murray must stand trial on a charge of involuntary manslaughter for injecting Jackson with an anesthetic to help him sleep. Murray has pleaded not guilty.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7365686.html
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OMG I CANT BELIEVE THIS!!!! :( how in the hell do muarry not know how to do cpr. if i was head of the medical board, i would meet him at the court house and take his license. a cardiovascular specialist that doesnt know CPR????? that should have been the first thing he learned. ugh!!!!!!
now I have another question... if mj was sedated, why would his mouth and eyes be wide open when they found him????
lets pray thats not true or cause that helps the defese
 
classic said:
This is so heart-wrenching hearing about the chlidren. Murray should have never called for Prince knowing that there were other adults in the house.
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That is child abuse. I hope to God he gets slammed with that charge. The irony would be amazing...

As for asking if anyone knew CPR, initially, I was like WTF! But, perhaps he wanted someone to "take" over. That wouldn't be unusual if the doctor or primary caregiver wanted to be freed up to do other life-saving tasks. But, that is giving him the benefit of the doubt; the prosecution is already saying that he didn't even do that right.
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Good point. Thanks for bringing that up. I really really hope you're right, because if he really didn't know how to do CPR, then he needs to answer some questions - right now - like "Who the hell are you and who are you working for?"...
 
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