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Prelim Hearing-4/1/11 Discussion Thread-All discussion here

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I am glad the assistant lied to Murray and said he didn't have the key to the house and he couldn't go back in there. As for the children listing Michael's allergies for the doctor well that just breaks my heart.
 
ivy said:
His voice faltered as he recalled how the children, still thinking their father was alive, began listing his allergies for the doctors.
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OMG I can't take it anymore.

:cry::cry::cry::cry:

Why we and the children can not have peace? Why we have to fight for justice all the time?

The children did not deserve it. MJ did not deserve it. We did not deserve it.
 
chanel05 said:
so i guess the last part throws out the theory that muarry RETURNED TO THE HOUSE AFTER HE LEFT the HOSPITAL TO HIDE EVIDENCE.
smart move on amirs behalf because muarry could have went back and hid everyting and then the only evidence would have been the autopsy report
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Exactly. It is all BS. Murray did not come back to that house because he did not have a key.
 
poor MJ3. reading about them listing his allergies is heartbreaking :(
 
Sophielo said:
:cry: Those poor babies. Maybe Murray should have had the cheek to ask for food whilst Paris was screaming at her dead father 'I want to go with you, please don't leave me.'
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:cry::cry::cry:
 
A very sad and truly heartbreaking picture is beginning to unfold piece by piece :( Think I'm only gonna check the updates only thread and not the discussion thread as all the speculative nonsense in this thread is awful.

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His voice faltered as he recalled how the children, still thinking their father was alive, began listing his allergies for the doctors.
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:cry:
 
ginvid said:
I think Asedora is saying both options are viable that we shouldn't just assume one over the other.

But I'll let her speak.
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Exactly! There is always two possibilities and the judge will look at both. This is how the system works.
 
Asedora said:
Exactly. It is all BS. Murray did not come back to that house because he did not have a key.
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But he wanted to go back to the house and the assistant told him he didn't have a key to the house but the assistant did have the key. He wanted to go back to the house for whatever reason.
 
about Karen , you have to know that The History Tour manager tareq Bin Ammar yelled at her and fired her,,,also ,Michael during the Dangerouse Tour fired her...so i do not blame Kenny if he was mad at her...Even Michael Bush , was not comfortable with her tweets and replied that those who know do not talk and those who talk do not know !

she is not reliable source and she said she is ready to help the defese becuase she does not support the prosecution and does not trust them....

the prosecution will show that all the lies she was feeding the fans and media with are not true and now she will try hard to show that they are lying ! snake !
 
JMie said:
don't speak for most fans. Michael told people about vitiligo in 1993, those who took the time to do the research knew about the vitiligo treatment. using this cream is normal for vitiligo patients.

anyway, this thread is not about Michael's skin disorder, it's about his murder trial.
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elusive moonwalker said:
the treatment was well known about it was found in the ranch in 03 for starters
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Not IMHO. Michael Jackson's moonwalk and white glove were "well known"...
His skin bleeching cream was known to some hardcore fans who took the time to google the results from the search warrant.... Sure, people in general were jokingly guessing he bleached his kin because he wanted to be white, but who really thought such a whitening cream actually existed? I know I didn't :)

Oh, and I don't believe Conrad wanted to go back to get the cream, I think he wanted to get rid of some of the propofol...

I only find it amusing that some peopleact as if skin bleaching cream are the hot new thing on the block that everybody knows about, when in reality almost everyone, except for some doctors, would have to google the cream names to figure out what they were...

What's next? People claiming it was well known that MJ used marihuana, because two baggies were found in his room?

I guess the cream people were also saying everybody knew MJ drank alcohol, back in the day when the story of the Jesus juice in soda cans broke....


But OK, let's get on with the hearing....
 
Asedora said:
Exactly! There is always two possibilities and the judge will look at both. This is how the system works.
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true... i think some people here are forgetting thats how the system works. we have to keep that in mind also
 
thrillerchild said:
A very sad and truly heartbreaking picture is beginning to unfold piece by piece :( Think I'm only gonna check the updates only thread and not the discussion thread as all the speculative nonsense in this thread is awful.

:weeping:



:cry:
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I'll also do daily summaries each night.
 
Ohood said:
she is not reliable source and she said she is ready to help the defese becuase she does not support the prosecution and does not trust them....

the prosecution will show that all the lies she was feeding the fans and media with are not true and now she will try hard to show that they are lying ! snake !
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she did not say anything about helping the defense. you are making that up
 
she doesnt need to she already has and will when caleld as a defence witness she can get a ride with janet katherine and randy and rebbie
 
She only said something like: the prosecution is not here for MJ, they're here for the state, they only prosecute a charge they think they can win....

And I'm surprised she was surprised by that: would she rather have the prosecution go for murder, fail and get Murray acquitted?

In general: who the 'ell is Karen Faye anyway, she's just a girl who claims ....
She's allowed to have her opinion, but no need for people to take everything she tweets as "the truth". You got a mind of your own, use it :)


Oh, and it's not like she can say "nah, I think I'll pass", when she get's called by the defense to testify.
 
Asedora said:
Michael made known in '93 about his vitiligo, not about a cream he uses to even it up, because he knew that in the media will turn up to "bleaching" cream. And it is a big deal. If Murray wanted to get back to that house to hide propofol it is one thing, but if he wanted to hide that cream as he said, he is just stupid.
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Your point? Murray was concerned? Murray knew MJ did not want the world to know about him "bleaching his skin" and wanted to go back to protect MJ's reputation? OK, if you consider that , do you consider Murray as victim in eveything taking place ? Because you seem very "open minded" and demand we think outside the box. What are you trying to say?

Exactly. It is all BS. Murray did not come back to that house because he did not have a key
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what is BS? Murray tried to go back, the bodyguards were smart enough not to take him to the house. Again , you think that's a point for Murray?
 
hmm one thing though michael always said he didnt bleach and that such cream doesnt excised right?? he lied there, so whatever the reason was murray wanted to go back he know that the bleach thing was sensitive??? Strange though... so why lie?

Question its nine hours later here than in LA, when does this day in court ends there? *prob midnight here*
 
Way too many people are focusing on the Benoquin here. What on earth does Benoquin have to do with anything here? It is irrelevant and can we stop discussing Michael's vitiligo here please, this isn't the place fot it.
 
chanel05 said:
she did not say anything about helping the defense. you are making that up
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Go read her twitter then, she stated this clearly
Also who gave Chefrron all these infos against Ortega??? she did !
 
for people who understand me wrong im against murray..

but i missed the whole karen faye situation i see... because i was left at the point in a interview people say she was his makeup artist for 20 years? now i read in this thread different things... so i missed a lot (oops)
 
Ingelief said:
hmm one thing though michael always said he didnt bleach and that such cream doesnt excised right?? he lied there, so whatever the reason was murray wanted to go back he know that the bleach thing was sensitive??? Strange though... so why lie?

Question its nine hours later here than in LA, when does this day in court ends there? *prob midnight here*
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It ends at 16:30 LA time, so 01:30 here :(
 
Ingelief said:
hmm one thing though michael always said he didnt bleach and that such cream doesnt excised right?? he lied there, so whatever the reason was murray wanted to go back he know that the bleach thing was sensitive??? Strange though... so why lie?

Question its nine hours later here than in LA, when does this day in court ends there? *prob midnight here*
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He said he used make-up, that's effectively what Benoquin is.
 
Michael said a million times he even his skin color , he always said i used make up then i he began to even the color of his skin....if this was not enough i do not know what some people expect him to do a reality show where he use the cream on his butt so you feel OK!

this human being deserved privacy....it is not his fault if ur ignorance did not help u not know what does it mean to even the color of the skin !
 
im curius if michael called the nurse (maybe he didnt trust murray) kenny had an argyment with murray, the bodyquard was clever and did lie to murray..

it seems like a whole lot of people didnt trust murray...

(although those three former? bodyq where optimistic about him)
 
elusive moonwalker said:
she doesnt need to she already has and will when caleld as a defence witness she can get a ride with janet katherine and randy and rebbie
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you dont know that for sure. she and mjs fam that you stated above may not even be called as witnesses at all
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
He said he used make-up, that's effectively what Benoquin is.
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Not exactly. When he said he used makeup it's like this (Kat von D, normally tattood from head to toe, now tattoo free by using makeup):
http://api.ning.com/files/LxUX-1OmS...aY89up7y-f4/gallery_main0812_kat_von_d_00.jpg

The stuff he used is actually irreversably bleaching/damaging the pigment in your skin...
Two totally different things :)

Ohood said:
Michael said a million times he even his skin color , he always said i used make up.
It is not his fault if ur ignorance did not help u not know what does it mean to even the color of the skin !
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Haha, funny. So for MJ it's OK to lie?
I guess skin bleaching cream falls in the same category as the "I don't drink alcohol" and "I only had 1 or 2 surgeries" white lies then?
 
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