Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Petrarose]

Oh no I hope the supernatural is not going to enter this case. Well then, maybe it should since the judge has allowed everything else. They need to arrest the medium for fraud anyway, because in no way could Michael kill himself. Not with that type of evidence.

 

[crillon]

I think, like bouee just said, that if Michael didn't have a PRIOR relationship with Murray, then "maybe" AEG would have responded differently. Not sure about that, it's hard to tell, because a doctor is such a personal part of a person's life and on the surface, Murray "appeared" to have it all together, aside from his financial situation, which in my opinion is the same as many, MANY other Americans. (I blame it on the credit card, and folks living above their means, but that's another story. LOL!)

Not only did Murray "appear" to have it all together, according to prior testimony his patients in Texas (or where ever) LOVED him, thought his murdering behind walked on water. You know, his taking care of the OLD, POOR, SICKLY FOLKS and all. Folks tend to put you on a pedestal when they are in that type of situation and somebody pays attention to their needs and Murray played that part perfectly, in my opinion.

I agree with all you've said and I hope the jury looks at this in a logical way. Michael was an adult and he alone was responsible for choosing his own doctor. Given HIPAA laws protecting the doctor/patient relationship, there is no way AEG could become involved, EVEN IF they did hire him! The meetings at Carolwood with Murray present were all "appropriate" acc to what we've heard in court thus far and did not interfere with patient/doctor privilege. I still don't even understand how this lawsuit was allowed to move forward in the courts!!

 

[ivy]

Oh Lord, ok they cleared it up on cross. Brenda Richie apparently told Philips that she spoke to Mj after he died through a medium or something and he told her that he killed himself and Murray was not to blame and that's what she meant in that email by saying "MJ said that".

The woman is loony.

we had seen this email before and couldn't make sense of it. she forwards an email about drug stash and says "remember I told you MJ said this". we were like MJ said what, when?

Currently as you did, we also think she had called Phillips to tell that she talked to MJ's spirit and he said her he died of an accidental overdose and Murray was innocent. Later TMZ posted drug stash story, she emailed Phillips saying "remember I told you MJ said this".

Priceless

 

[crillon]

Phillips said in his testimony he didn't even know where Thome's office was, so it makes me think he didn't know much about him.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 6m
Phillips testified at Tohme Tohme’s hearing before the Labor Commission in a dispute with Michael Jackson’estate.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 5m
At the hearing, Phillips testified that Tohme wasn't a traditional music manager, and he didn't have a staff.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 5m
Phillips: “I don’t even know where his office was other than the bar at the Bel Air Hotel.” Some of the jury laughed when this was shown.

I think it's not a stretch to conclude Phillips & Tohme were not sitting around the dinner table together at Thanksgiving once upon a time. Amazing how many rumors float around

 

[Tygger]

I believe Phillips is defending AEG and himself with convenient memory loss, confusion, and humor as deflection. Will Panish ask him about the contradictions Phillips testified to during redirect?

Will Phillips be asked to compare the difference of an alert Michael during the Dangerous Era/LA Gear partnership and the Michael he himself describes as less than focused during the preparation of this tour through June? What changed?

Phillips is aware Tohme was fired by Michael but, Tohme was still working in some capacity for AEG and was asked to approve and sign the pre-production costs after Michael passed? Tohme is an agent for Michael and has power of attorney and yet never once signed a document to approve the increase in shows and pre-production costs? Tohme's contract with Michael and AEG sounds very much like the one the doctor had. Dileo had a signed paper from Michael to receive $50K but, depending on who is asked, different reasons were given as to why Dileo should receive it?

So many actions by this company during the pre-production of this tour appear illogical and unethical.

On Monday, Panish confronted Phillips about an e-mail exchange that he had two days before Jackson's death in which Phillips was asked if Dr. Arnold Klein was "on the list of doctors that will help get us from today to the opening night."
"He scares us to death because he is shooting him up with something," Phillips replied.
Michael Kane, who was Jackson's business manager, shared with Phillips that Klein's office sent him a $48,000 bill for Jackson's frequent visits to his Beverly Hills dermatology clinic in the months before his death.
Klein's invoice said Jackson had been treated with Restalyne, Botox and unidentified drug injections, Kane wrote to Phillips.
"There were a lot of bills for injections, I didn't know what it was," Phillips said in his deposition before the trial.
Klein or his staff injected Jackson with 6,500 milligrams of Demerol during the last three months of his life, according to documents and testimony at Murray's criminal trial.
"Since we owe him $48K and he wants payment, maybe I should stop paying him so he would stop shooting him up," Kane told Phillips. "I have the details of what he is doing."
It was unclear why Kane would share Jackson's medical records with an AEG Live executive since the company's lawyers insist they were not involved with and did not pry into Jackson's health care.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

Phillips is only concerned with Michael weight but, he feared Klein and Kane was to tell him what Michael was receiving. Again, I do not know what Kane listed as substances Michael received from Klein and this conversation, if it happened, was unethical. However, was Phillips playing amateur detective by using a checklist to compare what Klein gave to the autopsy report? Propofol did not stand out at all?

His testimony regarding Brenda Richie does not ring true. I do not want to see her as a witness as I believe that would waste time. However, if Phillips heard such a story from Richie, why did it not match her email that Ivy posted (accidentally killing oneself compared to having a private stash of substances) and why would Phillips email an AEG spokesperson with such a story?

I can only see Phillips defending the doctor if he was an independent contractor. There would be no reason to defend the doctor against a conviction if AEG was only advancing Michael money for the doctor. Why would AEG seek insurance to cover the doctor’s salary if it was an advance?

Duke updated his article:

Phillips' testimony differs from CNN interview
Phillips met with Jackson, Dr. Murray and show director Kenny Ortega on June 20, 2009, after production manager John "Bugzee" Houghdahl sent an e-mail to producers titled "trouble at the Front."
"I have watched him deteriorate in front of my eyes over the last 8 weeks. He was able to do multiple 360 spins back in April. He'd fall on his ass if he tried now," Houghdahl wrote about Jackson.
Ortega sent Jackson home from a rehearsal the night before because of his strange behavior.
"He was a basket case and Kenny was concerned he would embarrass himself on stage, or worse yet -- get hurt," Houghdahl wrote. "The company is rehearsing right now, but the DOUBT is pervasive."
Phillips' testimony about the meeting this week contradicts what he told CNN's Don Lemon in 2010, just before the first anniversary of Jackson's death.
He testified Monday that it was a "highly charged situation" because of producers' concerns about Jackson's readiness for the show just three weeks away, although he downplayed the drama in the CNN interview.
Contrary to the production manager's e-mail, Phillips told CNN there was no concern about Jackson's dancing. "You know, there was very little to worry about him performing."
"Kenny felt that Michael was taking this show a little too nonchalantly," Phillips told CNN.
Phillips testified Monday that the meeting with Dr. Murray and Jackson -- which he called "an intervention" in an e-mail -- was called to find out what was wrong with Jackson.
But in the CNN interview, Phillips denied it was AEG Live who wanted Murray to be there. "Michael brought him," he said. "That was Michael's choice. He brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"I didn't invite Dr. Murray into the meeting," Phillips said in response to a follow up question by Lemon. "Michael brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"Why would Jackson feel he needed his doctor to meet with the concert promoters?" Lemon asked.
"Because he was using Dr. Murray like he would a manager or a representative," Phillips said. "He wanted him to speak for him."
"Did that seem odd to you?" Lemon asked.
"No, nothing seems odd in Michael world," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

That doesn't mean excusable to me, but I'm not sure there was a bad intention at the beginning.

Bouee, I agree. However, they were extremely aware of the control they need to have to be success with a Michael Jackson worldwide tour. It seemed to spiral out of control very quickly because the central and most important variable they could not control and that was Michael.

 

[AliCat]

When the granny knapping incident happened last summer, was when it came out that Janet Jackson and Thome Thome were neighbors at the time that Janet Jackson introduced Jermaine Jackson to Thome Thome and then Jermaine Jackson introduced Michael Jackson to Thome Thome, back in 2008. Thome Thome had been an employee of Colony Capital and "Neverland," was saved from foreclosure or the auction block.

I thought the final straw between Thome Thome and Michael Jackson was because Thome Thome paid Julienne's Auctions $2 million and Michael Jackson was livid, as this figure was way too much money. Julienne's Auctions had packed up "Neverland" and listed every single item. Now if Michael Jackson had packed up "Neverland" he would have saved $2 million. See it's the labor costs that get you everytime!

 

[qbee]

Alicat - you could be right about that being one of reasons reason for the fallout - but based on MJs own words it was because Tomee had to much control and MJ didn't trust or know what he was doing. Frank Dileo suggested he send notice to Thome That he was no longer his "Personal manager" He was fired from that position, but apparently Thomee still functioned in some capacity. but no longer managed Michael. Seems he did still manage the property 100 Carolwood drive and was the one that released Michaels personal staff from that property after he died.

Also Juliens Auction did much more that pack up and list neverland items. and if not Juliens then Michael would have had to hire someone else to pack up clean up, list all the items and ship them to a warehouse. That would have easily cost millions. have you seen all the items that Juliens displayed ? They are now stored in over 5 different warehouses.

 

[Bubs]

we had seen this email before and couldn't make sense of it. she forwards an email about drug stash and says "remember I told you MJ said this". we were like MJ said what, when?

Currently as you did, we also think she had called Phillips to tell that she talked to MJ's spirit and he said her he died of an accidental overdose and Murray was innocent. Later TMZ posted drug stash story, she emailed Phillips saying "remember I told you MJ said this".

Priceless

Priceless indeed. Hurry up Panish and sign Brenda as your star witness
I wonder is Sharon O testimony goes with same line, medium told her too?

 

[Bubs]

I was thinking the same thing about the paranoid comment. It shows that these men talk like that in general, so how are you going to show that they singled Michael out to devalue him in e-mails. I think Panish brought this up to make trouble for Phillips and AEG owner. Further, Panish forgot what the aim of the trial was a long time ago.

Bubs when I was a preteen I started reading some oldie novels called Perry Mason. The author was a lawyer and began writing while he was practicing law. I don't know if you read the books, or saw the re-run shows on tv which are in black and white. Actually in these novels I learned a lot of real legal terms. I remember in one book Perry claims that the prosecution was doing something which was a big mistake. To paraphrase, he said they were introducing hours and hours of lengthy negative evidence. He said what happens is that the jury becomes suppressed by this constant negativity and begin to psychologically seek something more jovial to gain some release. They need a break. So a good lawyer/prosecutor has to break that and introduce some other type of evidence, otherwise you will lose your jury.

My mind ran back to that during this case, because for weeks and weeks now we have been looking at a bunch of negative e-mails day after day. By now the jury is looking for something else; it is like saying ok we got the picture. They are disgusting people. Now if AEG's lawyer begin their case and steer away from e-mails, or do not focus too heavily on them, I wonder what impact that would have on a jury?

I think Walgren understood this well, because it did not take him long to rest his case. He could have put on more experts to prove how negligent Muarry was, but once he proved his point he stopped.

Another thing I learned from the novels, is that you do not ask the witness the same question again in the same way, or in the same order. Now yesterday that was a problem for Phillips because he claimed Panish keep asking him the same questions, and I noticed the questions were already asked last week. This causes the tense relationship between Panish and Phillips. What Panish has to do is to ask something else then go back and ask him the question he asked before but use different language. You don't use the same words in the question anymore. It seems that is the best way of trapping the witness. I think that is true because even with the psychiatric or psychological tests for the various mental disorders, if there are about 35 questions for the patient to fill out, some of the questions are repetitions but written in different words to see if the patient is lying. So it seems this strategy works in different fields as well.

I have read all Perry Mason books as well seen series on telly

I honestly think Panish has lost his plot (so to speak), this case is very messy and he is making mistakes.
He reminds me of Ally McBeal when she sees the dancing baby

Panish makes a mess when they are questioning witnesses, but then Putnam comes out with clear questions and clears out any misconceptions that Panish tried to force on to jurors.
I believe we have seen most of the smoking gun emails, and unfortunately to plaintiffs, they have shown AEG people were punch of giggling girls talking bad behind everybody's back, but what they haven't shown is did AEG hired CM.

 

[Naad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-trial-More-photographs-singers-bedroom.html

Have these pictures been discussed? If so, can someone direct me to where they were discussed. Thank you

 

[Bubs]

What I found interesting Panish's last day questions were him asking about MJ's variety of MJ's managers. We know that family didn't know much about MJ's businesses but is this trial really the place to ask about it? Or is it that they were expecting AEG to take care of MJ business managers etc as well as his doctor?
In my mind, MJ took care of his own managers and his own doctor, AEG as concert promoters had no business to get involved in those aspects.
Although, seemingly RP took some iniative steps as MJ managers seems to be changing too fast in order to keep up with all the issues relating to the tour.
"Phillips said he wanted Michael to have somebody to manage him, because they needed somebody to deal with on his behalf."
and
"Email cont'd: we still have no lawyer, business manager, or, even, real manager in place. It is a nightmare!"
To me it looks like that as it was a messy situation, and noone really knew who was supposed to do what, and who was in charge of certain tasks.
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"Dr. Tohme was introduced to MJ by Jermaine Jackson, Phillips said. There was a familiarity between all of them, he said."

Reminder of Jermaine's reply from Q&A with MJJC
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...with-Jermaine-Jackson-Read-Jermaine-s-answers

Basically Jermaine brought Tohme to MJ and since things went sour, Jermaine gracefully washed his hands of any reponsibility :angry:
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AEG Live is working on a BET Music Festival on June 28.
Friday: Beyonce, more mainstream artist
Saturday: Snoop Miguel and Kendrick Lamar, younger crowd
Sunday: Adult contemporary: R Kelly, Boyz to Men, The Jacksons.

Outch I wonder what jurors thought of that. Plaintiffs claims that AEG negligently hired CM who killed MJ, then they see Jacksons on AEG concert list.AEG cannot be that bad if brother are still dealing with them.

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Re smoking gun emails are not so smoking when the whole email is revealed and context makes sense
Putnam showed the email from Jun 13, 2008 with plans for MJ.
(the not fast, need to be controlled as much as possible email)
"Perfection is expensive, and incidentally impossible to achieve," Phillips opined, saying they tried to control MJ's spending, nothing else

We know that MJ wanted the biggest and the best out there, and I can see why they wanted to control spending as they were supposed to advance the money, but their pockets are not bottomless, and I suppose they knew MJ habits and tried to slow him down from spending. MJ could have make millions from tour, but what is the point making those millions if he has no money left after AEG takes their advances from MJ profit. Sensible imho.

 

[Bubs]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-trial-More-photographs-singers-bedroom.html

Have these pictures been discussed? If so, can someone direct me to where they were discussed. Thank you

Some of those pictures were shown during CM trial but I don't think there is a discussing about those photos.
I for one don't understand why Panish put those photos (exhibits from CM trial) in their website available so every single tabloid can see them and make mock out of them. Why Katherine allowed that? Isn't MJ and his kids humiliated enough, so more photos out there to tabloids to make fun of MJ and his private life?

 

[Bubs]

About Paris testifying in this trial. I think Panish is shamelessly using Paris for gain to sympathy and to portray AEG as a-holes, he should be shame of himself, and so should Katherine for allowing it.
Panish has mentioned many times, mainly to Duke (and he does as told and wont forget to mention it in his articles) that defence intend to call this poor girl to testify on this trial and mercilessly pressurising Paris, which is rubbish.
First of Katherine put Paris name on the lawsuit, so they knew what to expect. Secondly Putnam never said that they are going to call her, only they question Paris if Panish puts her to the stand.
I've been mulling over Putnam's statement for few days:
“There’s a real person involved here,” Putnam said. “There’s a 15-year-old girl and something incredibly tragic has happened that none of us know why and I think it would really be in everyone’s best interest and particularly in her best interest if rather than blowing this up into something else, that they were given a little bit of privacy to deal with something that has to be a tragic, tragic moment for all of them.”
“She’s 15,” he said. “Someone should give her a break.”

I think especially the bolded part was indirectly pointed to Katherine and her lawyers as they are using Paris for their benefit and to influence jurors, media etc. also kind of reply how Panish and co deal with the trial.
If AEG people are a-holes, so is plaitiffs too.

 

[bouee]

I believe Phillips is defending AEG and himself with convenient memory loss, confusion, and humor as deflection. Will Panish ask him about the contradictions Phillips testified to during redirect?

I believe they (PG&RP so far ) are rewriting history with their lawyers to make it fit with what others said : not remembering much for the depositions, amending depositions later with an unclear amandement date (PG), and suddenly remembering SOME stuff for the testimony. PG did a rather good job at that, since it's not clear, at least to me, what his role was. RP on the other hand is doing a very poor job, he's incriminating himself more and more.
Though, I must admit, I'm glad he does that with a sense of humor, I find some of his jokes actually funny.

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Oh no I hope the supernatural is not going to enter this case. Well then, maybe it should since the judge has allowed everything else. They need to arrest the medium for fraud anyway, because in no way could Michael kill himself. Not with that type of evidence.

The bolded part made me laugh. Don't worry, supernatural is not going to enter this case :

Panish objected again. “Double, triple hearsay,” he said. Lots of laughter in the courtroom, among jurors

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About Paris testifying in this trial. I think Panish is shamelessly using Paris for gain to sympathy and to portray AEG as a-holes, he should be shame of himself, and so should Katherine for allowing it.
Panish has mentioned many times, manly to Duke (and he does as told and wont forget to mention it in his articles) that defence intend to call this poor girl to testify on this trial and mercilessly pressurising Paris, which is rubbish..

I agree with you to some extent. Anyway , it's on the Jacksons, as Paris' guardians for now, to clarify Paris' situation in the trial, and ask the judge and produce documents so that Paris doesn't testify , IF it's an issue for her. We don't know if she wants to or doesn't want to, but if she doesn't want to testify , then it's on them to clarify this ASAP, so that she can stop worrying about this.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-trial-More-photographs-singers-bedroom.html

Have these pictures been discussed? If so, can someone direct me to where they were discussed. Thank you

Yes, some of them, with LAPD Orlando Martinez,at the beginning of the trial. You can find the summary in the trial media summary thread that Ivy does for us. Link right below :

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...son-vs-AEG-Live-Daily-Trial-Testimony-Summary


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What I found interesting Panish's last day questions were him asking about MJ's variety of MJ's managers. We know that family didn't know much about MJ's businesses but is this trial really the place to ask about it? Or is it that they were expecting AEG to take care of MJ business managers etc as well as his doctor?

i think that Panish wanted to make a point that RP was overstepping the boundaries of his role, acting or representing himself to others as Michael's "manager" (according to Panish), or more than the tour executive he was.
For exapmle RP saying to Ortega on june 20th that he was "crisis managing Michael's myriad of lawsuits everyday", when obviously Kane was dealing with this, ad Dileo was hired athe beginning of June.



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So are there 2 different voicemails from Frank ?

that's from orlando Martinez' testimony, it's the same voicemail we heard during CM trial.

Voicemail of Frank Dileo that he left to Murray 5 days before Michael died had been played in the courtroom (AP).

from Phillips testimony, if one was already played, there must be another one ? Or could it be hearsay because that message was left to Murray, not Phillips ? There was only one played at Murray's trial.

Panish wanted to play a Frank Dileo voicemail that was played during Murray trial trying to set up a meeting and get Jackson tested. Judge tentatively rules the voicemail couldn't be played for this jury on hearsay grounds. (AP)

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From Phillips testimony :

Phillips said he learned from the media that Dr. Murray had been treating MJ since 2006.

Interesting that he was not aware of that during his interactions with Murray in june.



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Re Phillips "exonerating" Murray, here is the chain of e mails , sorted :

more or less in chronological order (when possible)

"This guy was willing to leave his practice for a very large sum of money, so we hired him," Phillips said. Panish also showed jurors an e-mail between AEG lawyers suggesting that Phillips told other interviewers AEG Live "hired" Murray. (CNN)

On 8/18/09 Phillips wrote email to Michael Roth: I think I know what MJ died of and this would exonerate Conrad.
Phillips had written an email to an AEG spokesman on Aug. 18 after Murray released a videotaped statement.

Email from Kathy Jorrie to Bruce Black and Michael Roth on 8/25/09:
Subject: AEG Live president says AEG Live hired Dr. Conrad Murray (ABC7)

Michael Roth was AEG spokesman, according to this. apparently, there were talks within AEG about what Phillips was telling the media, and Phillips sounds like his trying to justify/explain his statements to this spokesperson.

How can he on august 18th write that he has info that would exonerate Murray (apparently Murray's video statement he made in august 09, where he said he was innocent and that would be proven), after reading the email that Brenda Ritchie sent him with the TMZ article. The article says that police found propofol after Murray told them where it was. I know TMz is tabloid, but it sounds a bit weird to me Phillips would say that at that point.

 

[Vici]

Im really curious to know why Randy Phillips thought and still believes Murray is an innocent man.

 

[Big Apple2]

So Brenda Richie not only likes to beat up folks, she's apparently NUTS!

When she was ranting and raving in her tweets, I had NO idea her ramblings would take a turn into the "unknown."

She CLEARLY needs to go sit down some where, she's embarrassing herself, in my opinion.

 

[Big Apple2]

I for one don't understand why Putnam put those photos (exhibits from CM trial) in their website available so every single tabloid can see them and make mock out of them.

Very true!

I don't get it either. They are posted on their website, but have they actually used any of those photos in their presentation thus far?

In any event, I don't see how those particular pictures help their case. Those pictures give you a little incite as to what was going on in that bedroom at night and it just looks scary with the propofol bottles and all. For goodness sake, one of the prescription bottles has somebody else's name on it. That's definitely NOT a good look for Mother's side, in my opinion.

I can't figure out what the heck he is trying to accomplish by posting those pictures to their website.

 

[bouee]

Arnold Klein's creditor's claim :

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1027_klein_jackson_wm.pdf

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/48714326/D...s-Claim-towards-the-Estate-of-Michael-Jackson

the amount is a a little over $48000 and it's detailed. Klein never mentionned demerol, it only says 'IM injection", so it was not understandable for AEG, they or Murray would have had to ask Klein directly about why Michael was out of it when he left his office.

During CM's trial, the info was in Klein's medical records, and the visits were too irregular to create a dependency or withdrawal, which, according to Waldman (CM trial), would have appeared within one day after an injection. According to the invoice, Michael went there on 16th june and then on 22nd june.

 

[bouee]

Im really curious to know why Randy Phillips thought and still believes Murray is an innocent man.

where did you see he still believes that ?

I agree with you, I don't understand he was still trying to support Murray in august 09.

 

[Big Apple2]

Two things from yesterday's updates, I found intriguing:

It has now been established in OPEN COURT, that Jermaine Jackson introduced Michael to the Mystery Man, also known as Doctor Tohme-Tohme; and

The family is suing AEG for wrongful death, BUT the brothers will be working for AEG sometime in June. Now that's downright mind boggling, in my opinion.

On a side note: IF Tohme-Tohme does end up taking the stand, I hope somebody will ask him "if Jermaine was compensated for introducing Michael to Tohme-Tohme."

And one last thing, I also noticed that there was a bunch of money REQUEST being made, from Tohme-Tohme ($100,000 monthly fee), from Frank DiLeo ($50,000 advance). No wonder Joe Jackson and his buddy Leonard Rowe were trying so desperately to be involved with those O2 dates. They wanted their cut of the action also, so much so that they OBVIOUSLY didn't notice that Michael needed "help." Typical!

 

[Bubs]

The family is suing AEG for wrongful death, BUT the brothers will be working for AEG sometime in June. Now that's downright mind boggling, in my opinion.

On a side note: IF Tohme-Tohme does end up taking the stand, I hope somebody will ask him "if Jermaine was compensated for introducing Michael to Tohme-Tohme."

And one last thing, I also noticed that there was a bunch of money REQUEST being made, from Tohme-Tohme ($100,000 monthly fee), from Frank DiLeo ($50,000 advance). No wonder Joe Jackson and his buddy Leonard Rowe were trying so desperately to be involved with those O2 dates. They wanted their cut of the action also, so much so that they OBVIOUSLY didn't notice that Michael needed "help." Typical!

That Jackson playing in AEG arena is just too funny. I wonder what steps AEG took in case if they get sued by them?
If I were AEG, I would have not touched them with ten foot pole.


Interesting question whether Jermaine got finders fee, like Tohme? Is that the reason Jermaine is so quiet about him, as he still waiting from his share from the money that Tohme is trying to squeeze from the estate.

Everybody wanted a piece of Michael Jackson, not matter whether it was relative or someone else. $$$$ talks.


@Boyee, I changed Puntam to Panish in my post, thanks for correcting me.

 

[bouee]

T

@Boyee, I changed Puntam to Panish in my post, thanks for correcting me.

Ok, I'll edit mine

 

[Bubs]

Very true!

I don't get it either. They are posted on their website, but have they actually used any of those photos in their presentation thus far?

In any event, I don't see how those particular pictures help their case. Those pictures give you a little incite as to what was going on in that bedroom at night and it just looks scary with the propofol bottles and all. For goodness sake, one of the prescription bottles has somebody else's name on it. That's definitely NOT a good look for Mother's side, in my opinion.

I can't figure out what the heck he is trying to accomplish by posting those pictures to their website.

This:
Inside Michael Jackson's Drug Den: Pharmaceuticals, Oxygen ...
Inside Michael Jackson's bedroom: The King of Pop was surrounded ...
Holy Moly!Gallery: LAPD release pictures of Michael Jackson's bedroom
Photos of the Michael Jackson's bedroom at the time of his death ...
Unseen pics: From pills to oxygen tanks, last pictures of Michael ...
Medicated: Jackson's bedroom was an array of prescription pill ...
Shocking Evidence Found In Michael Jackson's Bedroom Where He Died ...

I think it was LAPD who released those photos for this trial.
Thank you's can be directed to Katherine

 

[bouee]

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[Vici]

where did you see he still believes that ?

I agree with you, I don't understand he was still trying to support Murray in august 09.

"Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted".


I get it as to he still believes it til this day or Im i reading it wrong? If he didnt believe it he would have said the term he has used alot ie 'in retrospective'

 

[bouee]

while I was at at it, I listed Michael's vists to Klein

According to Klein's bill
23 march
4 or 5 or 6 april
09th april
13 rh april
15th and/or 16th april
17th arpil
21st april
22nsd april
23rd april
25th april
27th paril
28th april
30th paril
4th and/or 5th/6th may
15th may
19th and/or 20th may
1st june
3rd/4th june
10th june
16th june
22nd june

from Murray trial, dates when Michael recieved demerol, according to Klein's records
12th march
17th march
6th april
9th april
13th april
17th april
21st april
22nd april
23rd april
27th april
30th april
4th may
5th may
6th may
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1st june
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9th june
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Bottom line : april > may>june.

the visits were decreasing in may and june.

from murray trial :
april : once 3 days in a row, 9 days altogether
may : twice 3 days in a row , 6 days altogether
june : 5 seperate days.

 

[Big Apple2]

"Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted".

Well Jermaine Jacksun did say that "Murray was just ONE finger on the hand." So according to Jemaine there are still FOUR fingers running around out there, somewhere, free as a bird. And didn't Jermaine also mention something like "Murray being picked on because he's a black man," or words to that effect?

Maybe that's what Mr. Phillips is alluding to.

Or maybe it comes from Ms. LaToya's comments regarding "Murray being the FALL GUY," (I think that was also Joe Jackson's position, if I remember correctly).

 

[Vici]

^^ Yeah but coming from AEG it doesnt make any sense since I thought they would wanna put the blame on the doctor(s).

Or it does make sense.. they wanna blame Michael obviously. They dont wanna blame the doctor because if the jury somehow thinks AEG were in contract with the doc or was alarmed enough it would be bad for them so hey lets blame MJ because 'Murray is innocent and it was MJ that asked for propofol'.

 

[bouee]

"Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted".


I get it as to he still believes it til this day or Im i reading it wrong? If he didnt believe it he would have said the term he has used alot ie 'in retrospective'

oh, Ok. yes, i wrote about that yesterday. Phillips is provocative & arrogant, and we don't have all the questions that were asked. I'm not sure what he meant, really.

 

[bouee]

^^ Yeah but coming from AEG it doesnt make any sense since I thought they would wanna put the blame on the doctor(s).

Or it does make sense.. they wanna blame Michael obviously. They dont wanna blame the doctor because if the jury somehow thinks AEG were in contract with the doc it would be bad for them so hey lets blame MJ because 'Murray is innocent and it was MJ that asked for propofol'.

Exactly what I think. There is aproblem blaming the doctor for AEG, when it would be the easiest defense. I thought like you a while ago, but Ivy posted a ruling or something from the judge about the supervision part of the claim, saying that AEG can't be held responsible for the doctors medical actions. Basically, it's because AEg are not doctors & doctors obey very specific rules.
So AEG could actually blame CM.
But that's not what they're doing so far.

My understanding of the situation so far is that Phillips had enough info to suspect Murray, but did nothing, on the contrary he supported him.
The more he testifies, the more it becomes clear to me. That touches to the hiring retaining issues, and supervision (making it Murray's job that Michael would attend the rehearsals, as per Tim wolly's email). He can't blame Murray, because it wouldn't fly. His situation on the stand is very tricky now IMO.