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They look like they are from markers .. They don't look like bruises to me. Bruises would be larger, cover more area be more translucent bluish/red/purple and not be dark black thin lines. It's possible i guess but I doubt anyone was smashing his hand and Michael not doing anything about it. Please give him some credit.

Bruised hands
https://www.google.com/search?q=bru...DwBA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=783#imgrc=_
 
And could he really sober him up in that short time? You need to eat and drink and get outside to clear your head. Cold shower is a good thing, but then his makeup person would have to make him ready again. I don´t know.. I just can´t believe he was drunk and according to some who were there and met with him before he wasn´t drunk at all.
 
I'm not sure these are bruises. It seems like pen or markers - maybe he was drawing/playing with his kids.

Also, are we sure there was no one else in that room other than Randy and Thome? I think it was mentioned a make up artist was also there to get him ready. Maybe they can testify too about that event, because I'm not sure I totally trust Randy's and Thome's words.

I also don't think MJ was drunk at the pc.
 
I'm not sure these are bruises. It seems like pen or markers - maybe he was drawing/playing with his kids.

Also, are we sure there was no one else in that room other than Randy and Thome? I think it was mentioned a make up artist was also there to get him ready. Maybe they can testify too about that event, because I'm not sure I totally trust Randy's and Thome's words.

I also don't think MJ was drunk at the pc.

I agree. Maybe there were also bodyguards who overheard what was going on, and those people's testimonies could me more interesting to understand the situtation than Phillips or Thome.
 
Also doesn't bruises need time to darken. I wouldn't expect him to have dark bruises if he was roughed up within 2 hours.
 
It looks as if he had touched in some marker which just wasn't dry!
 
I agree. Maybe there were also bodyguards who overheard what was going on, and those people's testimonies could me more interesting to understand the situtation than Phillips or Thome.

I don't think the bodyguards are at the witness list. We don't know who the make up artist is but Tohme is on the witness list.
 
I don't think the bodyguards are at the witness list. We don't know who the make up artist is but Tohme is on the witness list.

Would you trust Tohme to clarify this ?

About buying Phillip's transcript, what I fear is : Panish will ask question to show that RP is violent and/or that he saw Michael under the influence of something. Phillips will keep on downplaying it "no I exaggerated, he was not drunk, it was just a butt slap". Panish version is doubtful (Michael under the influence of something) and Phillips version will be even more doubtful, it's totally out of line when you read his emails, personally, I don't believe it. I'm not sure anything will come out from those transcripts, I know it's not my decision to make, but I would wait before spending the money.

Maybe later on during Panish questionning, or on cross & re direct, if more emails are shown, maybe from other people than Tohme and Phillips.

Do we know who was there , apart from the kids and the make up artist ?

Do you remember the e mail from Phillips about "pulling the plug" on 25th march. We thought it was about Karen then. What I'm going to say might not make sense : Tygger suggested at the time that more stuff happened between TII annoucement and 25th march. Now i'm beginning to wonder if that could be actually true. I guess that's the effect of the slapping thing on me . I need to go and do some stuff now, but I want to re read that part of PG's testimony later on tonight, to see how it was presented. At the time I read it, i was convinced it could not be the whole tour, because the date didn't make sense. If there's no link, then there's no link. But I fear more nasty surpises like the one we just had in this trial this week, and more claryfing to do later.
 
Would you trust Tohme to clarify this ?

hard question. generally speaking I don't trust Tohme even a bit, I think he was one of the main problems in Michael's life. For example if we think the number of concerts have increased from 31 to 50 without Michael's approval, that's on Tohme.

That being said Tohme has been fired by Michael, not paid by AEG and currently involved in a lawsuit with Estate so I don't think he has a motive to lie to protect anything.

About buying Phillip's transcript, what I fear is : Panish will ask question to show that RP is violent and/or that he saw Michael under the influence of something. Phillips will keep on downplaying it "no I exaggerated, he was not drunk, it was just a butt slap". Panish version is doubtful (Michael under the influence of something) and Phillips version will be even more doubtful, it's totally out of line when you read his emails, personally, I don't believe it. I'm not sure anything will come out from those transcripts, I know it's not my decision to make, but I would wait before spending the money.

I agree to this from the perspective that actually I don't think Panish will let Phillips to explain. It has always been like this, I mentioned it before. Such as Panish shows the costs sent to Estate but does not show the footnote or the following costs sent. I believe in this instance it was probably Panish showing an email and saying didn't you write you slapped Michael? etc and moving on. This will probably get explained or cleared up during AEG cross, when Phillips is given a chance to explain and any follow up emails etc are shown and so on.

Maybe later on during Panish questionning, or on cross & re direct, if more emails are shown, maybe from other people than Tohme and Phillips.

I agree , probably when AEG does the cross

Do we know who was there , apart from the kids and the make up artist ?

Tohme and Alberto Alvarez. and perhaps a nanny for the kids? Of course Phillips and hair&makeup person.

Do you remember the e mail from Phillips about "pulling the plug" on 25th march. We thought it was about Karen then. What I'm going to say might not make sense : Tygger suggested at the time that more stuff happened between TII annoucement and 25th march. Now i'm beginning to wonder if that could be actually true. I guess that's the effect of the slapping thing on me . I need to go and do some stuff now, but I want to re read that part of PG's testimony later on tonight, to see how it was presented. At the time I read it, i was convinced it could not be the whole tour, because the date didn't make sense. If there's no link, then there's no link. But I fear more nasty surpises like the one we just had in this trial this week, and more claryfing to do later.

I think it's about Karen and probably be explained later. At that time there was a lot of discussions about who to hire and who not to hire. Including Lavelle and Travis Payne.
 
Well, according to some it was a body double not MJ at the press conference!!!
 
They look like they are from markers .. They don't look like bruises to me. Bruises would be larger, cover more area be more translucent bluish/red/purple and not be dark black thin lines. It's possible i guess but I doubt anyone was smashing his hand and Michael not doing anything about it. Please give him some credit.

Bruised hands
https://www.google.com/search?q=bru...DwBA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=783#imgrc=_

See, we are looking at the same pic & we all see different things. To you they look like ink from markers, to others they seem like bruises, and to me they look like pigmentation from his dark skin. So, who really knows the reasons of those marks? I think no one. But for others to attached those marks to bruises caused by someone else without any proof is going a little out of focus.
 
I agree with the person who said>"Please give him some credit". Some of you are acting as if Michael was some sniveling punk. I really don't think ANYONE would have the audacity or gall to SLAP Michael. Have you seen how these people acted around Michael? I know that these AEG are bastards, but I think that a lot of their rhetoric is exaggerated bullshit. Unless, Michael was TOTALLY out of it or under sedation, there is no way in hell that these people would slap Michael and not suffer consequences. Michael was never WEAK. He was always strong even in the worst of situations. I think this punk never thought that his words or e-mails would be made public and he is trying to be a BIG MAN by claiming he SLAPPED Michael. Bitch, please!

I have said this in previous posts and I will say it again. Michael did NOT appear to be drunk at that press conference. There is no way that a drunk man would have walked out like that, gave the speech that Michael did, his actions, etc. When it comes to Michael, EVERYTHING is exaggerated. These bastards probably saw Michael take a drink of wine to relax him and now they are claiming he was drunk. I guess they forget about the FOOTAGE. These punks didn't have the balls to slap Michael, IMO.
 
AEG exec, lawyer spar in Jackson trial’s 6th week
The Associated Press
Saturday, June 8, 2013 | 11:49 a.m.


A look at key moments this past week in the wrongful death trial in Los Angeles between Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, and concert giant AEG Live LLC, and what is expected at court in the week ahead:

THE CASE

Jackson's mother wants a jury to determine that the promoter of Jackson's planned comeback concerts didn't properly investigate Dr. Conrad Murray, who a criminal jury convicted of involuntary manslaughter for Jackson's June 2009 death. AEG's attorney says the case is about personal choice, namely Jackson's decision to have Murray serve as his doctor and give him doses of a powerful anesthetic as a sleep aid. Millions, possibly billions, of dollars are at stake.

WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST WEEK

_ Jurors heard from AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips, the highest ranking executive to testify in the trial so far. He told jurors that he didn't consult a mental health professional for Jackson despite that recommendation from two high-level production workers on the singer's "This Is It" tour.

_ Phillips testified that five days before Jackson's death, he emailed the singer's business manager that the singer might be in breach of his contract for the shows because he was skipping rehearsals. AEG executives have previously testified that rehearsals weren't required in Jackson's contract, but Phillips said he felt it was a requirement.

WHAT THE JURY SAW

_ Phillips verbally spar with Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Brian Panish. The pair had numerous testy exchanges and had to be repeatedly warned by a judge to not argue with each other.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

_ "I wish you wouldn't call it a baseless shakedown because it's a derogatory," Phillips said moments after testifying that he believed the lawsuit against his company was an extortion attempt by the Jackson family.

_ "I just expect doctors to be ethical. Their financial side of their life shouldn't affect their medical judgment," AEG executive Paul Gongaware said about why he never considering doing a background check on Jackson's personal physician.

OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM

_ Jackson's daughter, Paris, was hospitalized after paramedics responded to her home on a report of a possible overdose. Her grandmother's attorney said the 15-year-old is physically fine and receiving appropriate medical treatment. A judge overseeing Paris Jackson's guardianship ordered an investigation into her wellbeing. The teenager is listed as a plaintiff in the case, has been deposed, and is on the witness list, although it remains unclear whether she will actually be called to the stand.

_ A probate judge said he was inclined to unseal portions of legal filings by a choreographer who claims he was abused by Jackson over a seven year period while he was a child. The judge said he would likely redact portions of the documents that include private and personal details on Wade Robson, as well as a psychologist's report.

WHAT'S NEXT

_ AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips is expected to remain on the stand for several more days.

_ Katherine Jackson's case is expected to last at least another three weeks, and AEG Live may call numerous witnesses, including bringing back Gongaware for additional testimony.



Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/08/jackson-aeg-suit-glance/#ixzz2VlgKq0nR
 
It might not have alot to do with it, but I dont understand that mail from RP to Michaels manager about the breach of contract. MJ wasnt required to be at the rehearsels so Phillips mailed because he 'felt' he had to rehearse? What?

Also, sorry if its been asked before but is Klein on the witness list? If he isnt does anyone have any idea why(not)?
Maybe I went through everything too fast and overlooked it..
 
Might not but it seems like some were acting like Joe Jackson with Michael... particularly Randy. Patting him in the butt and rushing him to the shower? I mean is that to suggest that Michael was in such a sorry state, he needed that kind of roughness? I don't know if I buy that yet, Petra... not yet anyway. I wasn't there but from the way it's worded, that's just...ridiculous. No one was suggesting he should've been a little softer but this wasn't cool either imho.

I understand you.
I bet if I go around and ask some partners/coaches; managers of performers on tv or on stage; and managers of athletes, and I say to them. "Now tell me honestly, you walk into the room to pick up your client/partner who has a multimillion dollar contract, and you see he/she has a hangover/nervous/don't want to go & the stadium is packed, or the theater is packed what are you going to do. This is just between the two of us." I can bet that the person would say something like, "Are you crazy!! I would shove some coffee into him. Slap him around and dump him in the tub. Give him a brisk alcohol rub or whatever."

I think in reality this type of think happens a lot. I think a lot of times actors/performers party too much the night before, or take something for nervousness and when it is time for action they are still sleeping in bed. I think then the managers/assistants/family members rush over and do these things to alert them while screaming at them. In fact I saw a few "oldie" movies about this, especially with alcoholics or drug addicts who are not ready for the performance and they are screamed at and things are done to get them alert. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not and they have to cancel a performance or shoot the next day.

Guys I have to be honest. I love Michael. I buy flowers for him and do earthly things that people are supposed to do for the dead. Now I grew up knowing Michael and what his ethics were. He got awards from the president for ethical things not only for music & art. So when I hear he has the same head & thoughts in it, has a contract, & promises to do certain things, I see all this as part of his ethics and who he said he was. Therefore, as the ethical person he was, he was supposed to do what he knows he has to do to be ready by X o'clock the next day. No Excuses. You are an ethical person. I come there for you after knowing all the people are lined up waiting for you at the venue, and I see you are not ready and I am going to forget about the Manhood Thread, about how cute you look in the gold pants, about your sweet smile, and I am going to get tough with you.

I would shout something like, "Micheal you know the critics are just waiting for you to mess up so they could gloat and say you see what we said, and here you are acting foolish. You want them to call you a has-been? Here drink this and get in the shower." So I don't agree with Treel, Freck, & Randy using the stigmatizing names or nasty comments, but the toughness Randy showed to him he needed it to get back to acting the type of ethical person he is supposed to be. He was about to go against his ideals that day and not show up. That was not being ethical. I am not going to baby Michael. He was an adult.

Anyone remember about the female reporter who used to go to the NBA men lockers and they used to slap each other's butts with towels & walk around naked in front of her. Anyway I think she complained that their behavior when she was there is a form of abuse towards her. I think they may have slapped her butt with a towel too. Maybe Ivy might remember it. It was around the 1990s. Some men were saying what the hell did she expect in a locker room. I think they made the men "behave" after that.
 
Why didn't they just feed him Bagels like karen Faye to sober him up ... -_-

Funny! Maybe because the bagels in England taste different from the bagels in New York. Actually, Qbee every June I bring bagels to my cousin in England. Now that you can only bring one piece of luggage, I don't think I will be doing this much longer. She loves those New York bagels. Maybe Karen and her know the special secret about bagels.

Actually I am so glad that report claimed there will be about 3 more weeks for the family side. Actually one week will be enough. Let's see, they spend May 1 to June 6th showing that Treel, Randy, Gonga are nightmare managers who create disrespectful, nasty e-mails. The thing is they did not show that Michael knew what they were saying about him in the e-mail. Then they showed that the AEG staff noticed something was off, were coming up with possibilities about what could be the problem, and tried to help Michael, even though they don't know that they actually showed that. They didn't realize that the nasty e-mails show more than 1 thing. They have 3 more weeks in the Great E-Mail Case, to show evidence on hiring. I wonder why they did not show that first.

I am going to send AEG a letter and warn them that they better not screw up this case. After all those e-mails that show they are not nice people, it would be a disaster for them to go and attack Michael when they present their side. They better know what they are doing. If I see Randy dancing away with money earned over picking the bones of Michael my head is going to explode!
 
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It might not have alot to do with it, but I dont understand that mail from RP to Michaels manager about the breach of contract. MJ wasnt required to be at the rehearsels so Phillips mailed because he 'felt' he had to rehearse? What?

Simple.

According to the contract Michael did not need to rehearse. If he wanted he might not attend a single rehearsal and if he took the stage at London and did a good show it would be okay. There would be no breach.

However the show had a lot of creative elements and even basics such as the dancers and the musicians. So if Michael did not go to the rehearsals and the dancers / musicians weren't ready for the show because they could not practice with Michael and if the shows sucked , then Michael would be at breach of contract because he did not deliver a first class show.

so that's why Kenny was worried. He worried without Michael rehearsing the shows will not be ready and/or it will not be good. Phillips knowing these fears said no to any more advances because he thought the shows might not be good and there would be losses and breach of contract.

For a comparative example : think back to school years and taking an exam

There's no requirement for you to study. If you can get a good grade without any studying it's all good. However in most instances if you don't study you wouldn't get a good grade and you could even fail the class.

so logic wise it's like that. It's not like your teacher forces you to study for the exam, you study for it to get a good grade.

in this instance they did not require Michael to rehearse but they expected a good show for it to be successful and that needs preparation.
 
ivy;3841508 said:
AEG exec, lawyer spar in Jackson trial’s 6th week
The Associated Press
Saturday, June 8, 2013 | 11:49 a.m.


A look at key moments this past week in the wrongful death trial in Los Angeles between Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, and concert giant AEG Live LLC, and what is expected at court in the week ahead:

THE CASE

Jackson's mother wants a jury to determine that the promoter of Jackson's planned comeback concerts didn't properly investigate Dr. Conrad Murray, who a criminal jury convicted of involuntary manslaughter for Jackson's June 2009 death. AEG's attorney says the case is about personal choice, namely Jackson's decision to have Murray serve as his doctor and give him doses of a powerful anesthetic as a sleep aid. Millions, possibly billions, of dollars are at stake.

WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST WEEK

_ Jurors heard from AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips, the highest ranking executive to testify in the trial so far. He told jurors that he didn't consult a mental health professional for Jackson despite that recommendation from two high-level production workers on the singer's "This Is It" tour.

_ Phillips testified that five days before Jackson's death, he emailed the singer's business manager that the singer might be in breach of his contract for the shows because he was skipping rehearsals. AEG executives have previously testified that rehearsals weren't required in Jackson's contract, but Phillips said he felt it was a requirement.

WHAT THE JURY SAW

_ Phillips verbally spar with Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Brian Panish. The pair had numerous testy exchanges and had to be repeatedly warned by a judge to not argue with each other.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

_ "I wish you wouldn't call it a baseless shakedown because it's a derogatory," Phillips said moments after testifying that he believed the lawsuit against his company was an extortion attempt by the Jackson family.

_ "I just expect doctors to be ethical. Their financial side of their life shouldn't affect their medical judgment," AEG executive Paul Gongaware said about why he never considering doing a background check on Jackson's personal physician.

OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM

_ Jackson's daughter, Paris, was hospitalized after paramedics responded to her home on a report of a possible overdose. Her grandmother's attorney said the 15-year-old is physically fine and receiving appropriate medical treatment. A judge overseeing Paris Jackson's guardianship ordered an investigation into her wellbeing. The teenager is listed as a plaintiff in the case, has been deposed, and is on the witness list, although it remains unclear whether she will actually be called to the stand.

_ A probate judge said he was inclined to unseal portions of legal filings by a choreographer who claims he was abused by Jackson over a seven year period while he was a child. The judge said he would likely redact portions of the documents that include private and personal details on Wade Robson, as well as a psychologist's report.

WHAT'S NEXT

_ AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips is expected to remain on the stand for several more days.

_ Katherine Jackson's case is expected to last at least another three weeks, and AEG Live may call numerous witnesses, including bringing back Gongaware for additional testimony.



Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/08/jackson-aeg-suit-glance/#ixzz2VlgKq0nR

GROAN! :censored:
 
I am a bit behind on the posts in this thread....

I hope Panish will take time this week to ask Phillips why there was so much focus on covering possible losses with insurance towards the end of June. This additional coverage was being sought at the same time of the intervention meeting that will most likely be discussed in depth this week.

However, the rehearsals on June 23rd and 24th were supposedly great and many felt reassured or relieved by Michael's rehearsal performances. This is confusing to me because on the 24th someone (I cannot remember off-hand) testified Michael only performed two songs. I do not know or remember if anyone testified to the rehearsal on the 23rd but, it was said Michael never did a full rehearsal of the show.

Both of these performances were very close to the departure date for London. I am confused why AEG was so focused on hedging their bet so to speak. I understand protecting their exposure however, it sometimes feels to me as if they never really expected the (50) shows to be completed. I feel sometimes AEG would be surprised if the show went on.
 
I certainly do not support Randy Phillips actions nor can I make excuses for them. His emails are despicable whether they were exaggerated or not. Please don't defend that or his actions of laying any hands on Michael :( No matter what that was not necessary, appropriate or right. The fact he described it as a slap is very concerning regardless. There is no cause to defend RP just because you may have issues with the Jackson's. (What he did on that day is not even relevant to this case anyway) But These emails as well as his actions are now the cause of portraying AEG as well as Michael in a very bad light and make it near impossible to know the truth of what actually happened. All because he had to be an asshole when emailing about MJ and the events that unfolded that day. Even with further testimony MJ is still going to be portrayed as drunk and incoherent that day. Does the world or we really need to know all that. (for why?)

I don't support the Jackson family either and their attorney's for bringing in these emails and prior testimony allowing MJ to be falsely portrayed as a washed up blubbering,incoherent, incapable drunk, drug addict who was also slapped spanked or whatever by RP. These things have nothing to do with the claim they have against AEG. They make it appear like MJ was always in this condition to try and prove what ? I don't know? These are isolated incidents, but that is all you will see brought in from Jackson's attorney's because showing Michael in any good or capable light won't help the Jacksons win their case I guess. I don't want to see them profit for throwing MJ under the bus as they are doing.

I still don't see any evidence to prove the claim that AEG was responsible for hiring Dr. Murray, who is the one responsible for killing him. But I'm not supporting or defending any wrong actions by AEG either just because I have issues with the Jackson family as well. It makes me cringe when I see it. I don't think AEG was wrong in all they did either, but some things they said and did are clearly over the line and can't be defended.

Regardless because of this trial.
Our precious Michael is being mercilessly dragged through the mud thrown under the bus by Both Jackson's and AEG. I don't give a damn who wins this Trial because Michael isn't winning anything either way. There is no justice for him here. Even if we believe AEG is not responsible for his death or hiring Murray - Please at least defend Michael, No matter what, he didn't deserve to be treated disrespectful or spoke about in the manner he was. Don't forget He was having a difficult time, He couldn't sleep and was in physical and emotional pain, but regardless he was still trying his best to bring his dream to us. pls Don't throw him under the bus too :cry:
 
I have said this in previous posts and I will say it again. Michael did NOT appear to be drunk at that press conference. There is no way that a drunk man would have walked out like that, gave the speech that Michael did, his actions, etc. When it comes to Michael, EVERYTHING is exaggerated. These bastards probably saw Michael take a drink of wine to relax him and now they are claiming he was drunk. I guess they forget about the FOOTAGE. These punks didn't have the balls to slap Michael, IMO.

Yes, but if it was that simple, RP would just have to say "I was only bragging, I never touched him".
The butt slap excuse is not good IMO , it means there WAS a slap, the problem is that it doesn't fit with the event pre conference as described in his e mails.
He mentionned Michael was drunk in the mails, and he also said that later to Karen, according to her.
Yet, Michael didn't seem drunk or under the influence of anything at that press conference, he only seemed nervous to me. If he was drunk or anything, we would have heard it from the way he talked.
And if he was so drunk he needed a slap to "wake him up" , how would he appear sober 2 hours later ?
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, Michael being hugely nervous, "paralyzed" as RP put it. Maybe he had a glass of something and smelled of alcohol, which would explain why RP thought he was drunk.
At this point , we just need to wait , we'll hear more from this later on. I hope there are more e mails and / or other witnesses (other than Tohme, the kids and Phillips)

I understand you.

I think in reality this type of think happens a lot. I think a lot of times actors/performers party too much the night before, or take something for nervousness and when it is time for action they are still sleeping in bed. I think then the managers/assistants/family members rush over and do these things to alert them while screaming at them. In fact I saw a few "oldie" movies about this, especially with alcoholics or drug addicts who are not ready for the performance and they are screamed at and things are done to get them alert. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not and they have to cancel a performance or shoot the next day.

From working in the tourism industry for a few years, I've been around artists and sports teams a little bit. The scenes you describe do happen with artists. But the experience I had is different from what you describe. They very often have "nannies" or "baby sitters" (that's what they would call them), and these persons' jobs were to make sure everybody was ready on time. It made me smile the first time I saw that, i remeber I asked the first one I met "don't they have alamr clocks ?" She answered "yes, but......you know..."
When the artist was "difficult" he would have his own nanny or several nannies would help with the person. I have never personnally witnessed anything violent whatsoever. It was actually the opposite, they were very very patient, used persuasion and treated them like babies. At most the nannies were bothered, I never personnally saw anything going further.
I'm not saying this wouldn't happen, and I was not in their bedrooms, but I never saw anything that would lead me to suspect anything like that.


I am a bit behind on the posts in this thread....

I hope Panish will take time this week to ask Phillips why there was so much focus on covering possible losses with insurance towards the end of June. This additional coverage was being sought at the same time of the intervention meeting that will most likely be discussed in depth this week.

However, the rehearsals on June 23rd and 24th were supposedly great and many felt reassured or relieved by Michael's rehearsal performances. This is confusing to me because on the 24th someone (I cannot remember off-hand) testified Michael only performed two songs. I do not know or remember if anyone testified to the rehearsal on the 23rd but, it was said Michael never did a full rehearsal of the show.

Both of these performances were very close to the departure date for London. I am confused why AEG was so focused on hedging their bet so to speak. I understand protecting their exposure however, it sometimes feels to me as if they never really expected the (50) shows to be completed. I feel sometimes AEG would be surprised if the show went on.

Yes, i noticed that when I sorted the emails for the e mail thread. I included the insurance correspondance last week, and I noticed it became more pressing near the end.

I would like to know if it's standard practice not to be insured for illness less than 3 weeks before the shows. These things happen, unfortunately. Kylie Minogue had to cancel a tour when she was right in the middle of it when she was diagnosed with cancer. U2 had to postpone a whole leg of a tour when Bono fell and hurt his back a few years ago.
There was a case in 2009 in France of a singer who had an operation in Paris, then a few days after flew to LA. After a few days in LA he was rushed to a hospital, for a huge infection that threatened his life, it was related to the operation. The singer had a tour coming up, he is famous for his problems with alcohol. The tour had to be cancelled, and was insured, if I remember correctly.

I would assume you want insurance coverage ASAP, for everything possible, before spending money.

And not being insured + letting the costs go over the limits doesn't make sense. It would be good to know what assets Micheal used to guarantee the costs + advances, and what AEG knew about that.

About 23rd and 24th, Michael was a lot better, but I'm not sure you can say he was "great". Karen said he was still cold and repeating stuff on 23rd, and I think Alif Sankey said that he was still cold on 24th, and I think she or someone else said he was not as well on 24th, compared with 23rd. A video was shown showing Michael arriving at Staples Center wrapped in a blanket on 24th.
 
from May 1st trial daily testimony thread

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...mony-Summary?p=3817156&viewfull=1#post3817156

Jackson’s lawyers said they believed they could locate Michael’s longtime nanny and confidante, Grace Rwaramba, and plan to call her as a witness as the trial proceeds.
“We couldn’t find her, no one could find her,” lawyer Kevin Boyle said of the last-minute addition. “But we think we’re going to be able to find her, hopefully.” (NYDailyNews)

So, she's back.
 
Of course! Everyone knows that Bagels are a cure for hangovers! What is wrong with Phillips thinking a cold shower would help?

Yes, it's the place :

NYC = bagels.
London = cold shower(s) (it's supposed to rain all the time in London)
If he had been in Paris it would have been a ham butter sandwich (made with a baguette), a pizza in Rome, sushis in Tokyo...
 
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From the NY post

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/concert_announced_says_michael_jackson_ijUw9hdUs0c7ESwTJRGxON

At his deposition six months ago, before he was shown his e-mails, Phillips denied that Jackson was either drunk or despondent on the day of the president conference, and denied yelling at The Gloved One, saying he merely "raised his voice."

Phillips says he was telling the truth in his deposition, and was not accurate in his email. "I was relaying what Dr. Tohme told me... I wrote it as fast as I could write it."

Panish said, "You have to yell pretty loud to make the walls shake. Do you have a tendency to exaggerate?"

Phillips said, "No."
 
He mentionned Michael was drunk in the mails, and he also said that later to Karen, according to her.
Yet, Michael didn't seem drunk or under the influence of anything at that press conference, he only seemed nervous to me. If he was drunk or anything, we would have heard it from the way he talked.
And if he was so drunk he needed a slap to "wake him up" , how would he appear sober 2 hours later ?
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, Michael being hugely nervous, "paralyzed" as RP put it. Maybe he had a glass of something and smelled of alcohol, which would explain why RP thought he was drunk.
At this point , we just need to wait , we'll hear more from this later on. I hope there are more e mails and / or other witnesses (other than Tohme, the kids and Phillips)

I disagree with you. I can honestly saw that as soon as I saw MJ walk toward the stage at the O2, just before the TII announcement, my first thought was that he was drunk (or under the influence of something else). The way he walked gave it away - it was a slow, lumbering walk, not like MJ at all. Later, his on stage behaviour was a little strange too IMO.
 
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