Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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legacylegacy7;3821914 said:
What were people like Karen Faye saying about Michael and the shows before and shortly after he died. And before "This Is NOT It" was created?


Karen Faye May 29, 2009
"Coffe and out the door. Everything is moving along full force. Watching Michael rehearse is giving me goosebumps. A genius at work. I do know how lucky I am to experience all this and Michael told me how excited he was to be able to share and bring his music to the world."

Thank U Athina. I should have read your post first. Just when I thought all of the fans had forgotten.
A couple of Karen faye's statements after MJ died. The bridge accident was from her blog . If i remember correct the other from her FB

About the bridge accident she is saying MJ said kenny dropped him - later though when questioned ,she stated he was director so he was responsible for what happened. but that is a lot different than what she says here and what really made me start question her words and integrity.MJ knew kenny didn't personally drop him, it was an accident an equipment error .. so why would he say such a mean thing. I found many times where I felt she put words in Michael mouth. That is why hearsay isn't allowed. Because they are her words not his. It's not right to say MJ told me and quote him like she does, when he is not here to validate her claims. Especially when she is attacking other people using his so called words. She did the same with LMP then recanted

QUOTE Karen Faye:
I was in shock as I saw the bridge in free fall with Michael on it. I was just outside his quick change room. I ran screaming towards the stage and security grabbed me and held me back as the bridge disappeared down past the edge of the front of the stage, I saw the horror on the other performers, but the music kept going. The audience was still transfixed. I saw one arm… then a leg, then his body climb back on stage… he finished the song. He made it back to the dressing room. His heart was beating, he seemed in a trance. We need to get you to the hospital, I said. “NO, I can’t, I can’t”… he ran back out and finished the show. When he returned to the dressing room after the last note.. he collapsed. Security picked him and up and got him to the hospital. I couldn’t sleep that night I couldn’t get any response to how he was. The next day, he called me from the hospital. I asked “why didn’t you stop?” he replied, “Turkle, I couldn’t… all I could hear was my father’s voice… DON’T DISAPPOINT THE AUDIENCE”.

Actually, Michael held Kenny Ortega responsible and Kenny left Munich very quickly without confronting the tragedy. Michael told me Kenny finally apologized when Michael asked him to help him with the O2 shows. This was always something Michael would bring up on a regular basis… ‘you know Turkle, Kenny has never mentioned or apologized for dropping me”. And when I came back to work with Michael again this year, one of the first things he said to me was “Kenny finally apologized.”



But pertaining more to this trial- Here she states she was hoping MJ would improve .. She thought they had time to get him on track. ... Same as AEG felt .. but then MJ died at the hands of Murray

QUOTE Karen Faye:
"The week before Michael’s death, the crew was starting to ask questions.. about Michael not showing up and not rehearsing as he should be, not taking off his sun glasses. The excuses WE gave was “he was tired”… only half the truth. I personally could not tell strangers (dancers) that I thought he started taking drugs.. that I was worried sick about his weight. I told Kenny and Frank Dileo. I was hoping he would improve in the next two weeks before we left for London, and then the week and a half in London before the first show. I thought we had time to get on track. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope. Then he died."
 
I am not sure if you saw the official page of Panish Shea & Boyle LLP that represents the mother and children of Michael Jackson in the family’s wrongful death lawsuit against AEG Live LLC, AEG Live Productions, LLC, Brandon Phillips and Paul Gongaware
(originally a comment posted on pg. 69)
http://www.psblaw.com/michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial.html

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Bubs;3822098 said:
Before anesthesia, you are not supposed to eat anything, so I assume when Michael got home from rehearsals he couldn't eat because CM was going to give him propofol. CM in his LAPD interview didn't mention anything about eating, so I think he didn't eat anything after he got home. After waking up, he had breakfast and he went to back to studios. There he propably forgot to eat or ate when someone reminded him to eat, then cack home and he couldn't eat becase of propfol.
It was a cycle that no wonder he lost so much of weight if he had only proper breakfast and no regular lunch/dinner.

I think Kai Chase said that she would leave a meal in the fridge for CM and MJ, for after the rehaersals, and what was strange in the morning of the 25th, was that the meals were still there. It was unusual according to her. But i think she also said he didn't eat much.

legacylegacy7;3821914 said:
Karen Faye May 29, 2009
"Coffe and out the door. Everything is moving along full force. Watching Michael rehearse is giving me goosebumps. A genius at work. I do know how lucky I am to experience all this and Michael told me how excited he was to be able to share and bring his music to the world."

qbee;3822299 said:
A couple of Karen faye's statements after MJ died

"The week before Michael&#8217;s death, the crew was starting to ask questions.. about Michael not showing up and not rehearsing as he should be, not taking off his sun glasses. The excuses WE gave was &#8220;he was tired&#8221;&#8230; only half the truth. I personally could not tell strangers (dancers) that I thought he started taking drugs.. that I was worried sick about his weight. I told Kenny and Frank Dileo. I was hoping he would improve in the next two weeks before we left for London, and then the week and a half in London before the first show. I thought we had time to get on track. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope. Then he died"

About she was also hoping MJ would improve .. just as AEG did. she felt they had time to get him on track. much different then her testimony in court.

from Sankey's testimony :

"But when I hugged, when I saw him briefly in 2006, he didn't feel like that anymore. He felt thin. He just felt thin." He was thin during the "This Is It" preparations, she said, and she became concerned when he missed multiple rehearsals.

Actually , it makes sense for me :

- What is implied is that the loss of weight was a consequence of the trial, Michael was arleady thin in 2006, according to Sankey. I'm not sure there was a big loss of weight during the TII rehearsals. Michael was thin but OK, BUT too thin to perform, he needed to put in weight for the shows.

- I think people started to worry gradually : first (1st week of june) because he missed rehearsals, then starting mid june, they saw a change and were really worried for his health (june 19th incident, he was cold during the last week, mentions of God talking to him, paranoia). So for me, with what we heard until now, it makes sense that she was not worried on may 29th, and that she was still hoping he would improve. According to what we heard so far, that seems to be what most people were feeling at that time, not knowing what would happen on June 25th.
 
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Karen was saying the week before MJ's death. around the June 19th she felt there was still time for improvement. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope.... she didn't state that in court.
 
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Karen was saying the week before MJ's death. around the June 19th she felt there was still time for improvement. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope. she didn't state that in court.

Yes, it makes sense, it was so sudden. Is her cross examination finished though ? (I'm lost)

EDIT : , no, it's not : "Faye will returFaye will return afterward. (LATimes) afterward. (LATimes)"
 
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Why are you lost. :) Im was saying that statement was made right after MJ's death. but in court she is Implying MJ was near death's door and being ignored. Not that there was hope for improvement June 19th - 24th like the initial statement. NO her cross isn't final . not until tuesday I think. Maybe will will get more info about then.
 
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Karen was saying the week before MJ's death. around the June 19th she felt there was still time for improvement. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope.... she didn't state that in court.



In court she said she felt relief on June 23th, but was still concernd.
On June 20th, she sends the letter from the fans to Dileo with their concerns with a remark that she thinks the fans are right.
 
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Why are you lost. :) Im was saying that statement was made right after MJ's death. but in court she is Implying MJ was near death's door and being ignored. Not that there was hope for improvement June 19th - 24th like the initial statement. NO her cross isn't final . not until tuesday I think. Maybe will will get more info about then.

I'm getting as messy as Panish and Palazuelos together !!!

yes, actually that's what I meant, I understand she, and others, thought that there was room for improvement, since serious health worries started around mid june, and he was better on 23rd. One week - 10 days is short, it's natural that people would have hope.
 
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Obviously in AEG-Cross Sankey was asked if family was there trying to involve Michael in other projects. She doesn`know.

But I think AEG didn`t ask this question out of the blue.

They asked her that? Very interesting. It means they are planning on bringing this up at some point.
 
qbee;3822299 said:

QUOTE Karen Faye:
"The week before Michael’s death, the crew was starting to ask questions.. about Michael not showing up and not rehearsing as he should be, not taking off his sun glasses. The excuses WE gave was “he was tired”… only half the truth. I personally could not tell strangers (dancers) that I thought he started taking drugs.. that I was worried sick about his weight. I told Kenny and Frank Dileo. I was hoping he would improve in the next two weeks before we left for London, and then the week and a half in London before the first show. I thought we had time to get on track. He showed marked improvement the 23 and 24th. We had hope. Then he died."

^^When Karen states she thought he started taking drugs, what drugs did she think he was taking? Is it possible that at times when Michael took drugs for his back or other pain, Karen felt he was "taking drugs," in the sense of taking a drug to get high. Her remark about the sunglasses also suggest this, because people always comment about addicts & alcoholics putting on sunglasses. I doubt at that time she would have any idea that Michael was being given prof to sleep.

What I think is that when Karen, Randy, Kenny, etc., saw Michael losing weight, acting differently, & missing some rehearsals, they all thought he was taking a drug to get high. I really believe that & I think this is one of the reasons that AEG was so nasty toward him, because they felt he was abusing maybe heroin, demerol & ruining his chances to do a good show, so they were relentless with the addict & had no respect with him as we see from the e-mails & comments made behind his back.

Like some of the fans here, they probably thought that Michael went to Klien to get drugs. I remember one dancer said that they would check TMZ & if they said Michael went to Klien, they would know how the rehearsals would be that day. So it seems the staff thought Klien, not Muarry, was giving Michael something that made him act the way he was acting. Since everyone was speculating & not asking Michael any clear questions (not that he would give it) a bad situation continued.

At least Karen helped the family with their addict story, & Sankey helped the family by showing someone in AEG got a doctor to give Michel drugs, although we do not know what the drug was & why it was given. However, I guess Panish will claim that this guy knows & therefore, AEG knew Michael would take drugs & die, so they should not have hired Muarry.
 
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I agree, everyone seemed to suspect Klein, not Murray
 
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Wow took me some time to read the whole thread... I couldn't resist, not because I'm on anyones side... just worried about the three kids and what this can do to them... also back to the forum cuz I'd like those three to have a decent place where they can find some loving truth about their Dad.

About the trial, I'd like to add my 2cents:

Michael an addict or not
As Michael admitted to his pain killer addiction in 93 openly, I'd like to remind everybody that you stay an 'addict' all your life long. It is not to heal. However you can get clean and stay clean! Michaels autopsy report tells clearly that there was no sign of actual addiction when he passed.

However it makes sense that Gongaware wanted to hire an addiction specialist, because you really have to know some pharmacy (what might or might not addictive stuff is in the medicine) if you have to treat someone who ones was addicted to medication.



To me Panish is not doing such a bad job...
Gongaware standing for AEG, obviously knowing and being aware of Michaels addiction problems... lots of AEG hired ppl being aware that Michael lost a lot of weight, was dioriented etc... and the famous email from Gongaware: lets remind him its us paying his salery!
It's not ok to act like they did with Michael. It still is not ok to me and when it's a thousand times business or entertainment business. Slavery is not allowed! Still not when you buy yourself into the life of someone with billions of dollars! To me they all acted and if they were working on a special ferrari ( a machine!!!) for a special race... not a human being with a precious heart, mind and a soul.
It might happen a thousand times in front of our eyes (thinking of Whitney and other examples) but it is not ok!!!
It makes me so sad for Michael and his children.


Let me state this, I am a boss in Germany. And with our employment laws I would have to seriously prove what I have done with that knowledge to keep harm away from my employee. And telling only, well I talked to them and that's it cuz he is an adult, wouldn't save me. There are pretty strict rules (which the employer has to make sure, like regular visits at a specialist, regular visits of anonymus addict meetings, regular talks between employee and employer etc. etc. one has to prove when in question for the safety of your employee but of cuz also everybody there at work).


And I don't think AEG acted as if they were only investing in Michael (giving him the money and he's the employer)... they had at least one meeting with him and Murray. Also that email telling about where the money is coming from. They acted as an employer so it was clearly them (not only but also) having responsibility. And as the money was coming from them, that is as a matter of fact the strongest acting part of responsibility (aside from the Murray). They could have pulled the plug, right?!




I'm not saying the entertainment company is the only one guilty in Michaels death. Surely not. There's several factors in the pressure on Michaels which led to his death. Murray the strongest.
But that's just not what's on trial here.
I also have no respect for Michaels parents or sisters and brothers. I can't help it, I have lost it through my years of fandom completely.
We are all aware this trial was started to bring them money because they are so talentless that they can't find decent jobs... most those who can't even pay for their very own children.
However for Michael I'll not talk further about them and what I think of them.
His three kids do have enough money to live a pretty good life pretty long. All the money in this world wouldn't be a fair payment for the loss they had to endure in losing Michael.

If there's money in this to pay I wish the judge would tell AEG to pay it to one of Michaels charities. I mean there's no justice necassarily find in courts at times... but that at least would seem like someone really cares about Michaels legacy.
 
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Mechi AEG could not pull the plug ^^. This was already covered in the Muarry trial.
 
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To me Panish is not doing such a bad job...
Gongaware standing for AEG, obviously knowing and being aware of Michaels addiction problems... lots of AEG hired ppl being aware that Michael lost a lot of weight, was dioriented etc... and the famous email from Gongaware: lets remind him its us paying his salery!
It's not ok to act like they did with Michael. It still is not ok to me and when it's a thousand times business or entertainment business. Slavery is not allowed! Still not when you buy yourself into the life of someone with billions of dollars! To me they all acted and if they were working on a special ferrari ( a machine!!!) for a special race... not a human being with a precious heart, mind and a soul.
It might happen a thousand times in front of our eyes (thinking of Whitney and other examples) but it is not ok!!!
It makes me so sad for Michael and his children.


Let me state this, I am a boss in Germany. And with our employment laws I would have to seriously prove what I have done with that knowledge to keep harm away from my employee. And telling only, well I talked to them and that's it cuz he is an adult, wouldn't save me. There are pretty strict rules (which the employer has to make sure, like regular visits at a specialist, regular visits of anonymus addict meetings, regular talks between employee and employer etc. etc. one has to prove when in question for the safety of your employee but of cuz also everybody there at work).


And I don't think AEG acted as if they were only investing in Michael (giving him the money and he's the employer)... they had at least one meeting with him and Murray. Also that email telling about where the money is coming from. They acted as an employer so it was clearly them (not only but also) having responsibility. And as the money was coming from them, that is as a matter of fact the strongest acting part of responsibility (aside from the Murray). They could have pulled the plug, right?!

I'm not on either side either, I don't like the Jacksons either.

Gongaware hired Finkelstein in 93, he contacted him again in 09 thinking that Michael was clean. I don't know what to make of this information : was PG expecting Michael to relapse because he was on tour, did he call him because PG knows him and/or because michael knew him ? The only thing that it will show - at least so far- is that he tried to dissuade Michael, and that Finkelstein could have made him understand some red flags about Murray (salary, suddenly leaving practise )

Even his e mail about Murray (who's paying the salary) could be interpreted both ways : pressure on Murray to get Michael to perform, or warning Murray to be careful what he did, NOT to drug Michael up. Anyway AEG is going to deal with this e mail won't help them IMO.

I think the whole point so far is that AEG misunderstood the situation : they thought about Klein, pyschological problems and tried to deal with that, they never suspected Murray. That's the whole point of this trial, Jacksons are saying they should have. AEG will say that Michael is responsible, maybe also the Jacksons for pressuring Michael. I think that's why they refuse to stipulate that Murray killed Michael.

Murray lied to everybody, that was the main reason all this happened, and I'm not even sure it's going to be brought up by any side. They both want him to testify in their favor and/ or they are scared of him : Murray on the stand would be a show. Everytime he opens his mouth, he sounds like a crazy sociopath.

I don't see what good it does to the Jacksons to paint Michael as a crazy addict : they are fueling AEG's defense IMO.
EDIT : they should have stated the truth : Michael was under a lot of stress on tour, that lead him to do dangerous things that he would not normally do - (was he like that during rehearsals of previous tours ? No, he wasn't )- , AEG knew that and should have adapted to that (more rehearsal time, easier schedule), and why not, hire or suggest heatlhcare professionals BEFORE Michael did. Failing to that led AEG to negligently hire the wrong doctor, and they didn't realise it, because they didn't supervise him properly.

As for en employer's responsabilty, here (France), you don't have to assist an employee that much. There are mandatory general medical checks upon hiring, and every other year (more often for certin types of jobs) and that's about it.
If you are on sick leave, an employer is not supposed to know the reason. But, if, for any reason you are disrupting the work (too many sick leaves, too long), you can fire an employee. The thing is that it would cost an employer a certain amount of money, and you would have to prove that the person is SERIOUSLY disrupting the work, and that there is no other solution. An employer can be forced to adapt the workplace to a sick /handicapped employee, or reduce their hours, temporarily or permanantly. The employer can not make this type of decision, he has to comply with a doctor's order.
Translated into this AEG situation, it would have meant pull the plug, or , more realistically, postpone the shows until Michael gets better, and it would have to have come from a doctor. That is if you think 3 weeks of missing rehearsals and health problems are a serious reason (Michael was better on 23rd and 24th).
An employer would NOT be expected to interfere with an employee's health : pressuring an employee to work against a doctor's order, or refusing to adapt a workplace to a sick or handicapped employee would be considered a fault on the employer's part, and he could be forced to re hire the person,and/ or pay big damages (not as big as in the US, though).
 
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Mechi AEG could not pull the plug ^^. This was already covered in the Muarry trial.

of cuz they could have! They even 'threatened' with it! They postponed a few shows, they could have postponed more or all!
It of cuz would have cost them a few billions of dollars and it wouldn't have been easy. So what's worth more, to protect the health of someone and losing money... or...?! Well if you 'can buy' the life of someone, then that's called slavery. That's exactly what I mean!
 
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of cuz they could have! They even 'threatened' with it! They postponed a few shows, they could have postponed more or all!
It of cuz would have cost them a few billions of dollars and it wouldn't have been easy. So what's worth more, to protect the health of someone and losing money... or...?! Well if you 'can buy' the life of someone, then that's called slavery. That's exactly what I mean!

what Phillips meant at CM's trial is that stopping completely was not possible because they had a contractual commitment to Michael to produce the shows. Michael would have had to agree, or he could have sued them. But postponing the shows again was indeed an option.
EDIT : Michael was not an employee, AEG and Michael had contractual obligations to each other, they were more like partners.
 
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Obviously in AEG-Cross Sankey was asked if family was there trying to involve Michael in other projects. She doesn`know.

But I think AEG didn`t ask this question out of the blue.

There is more to come about it. Allgood is going to come up during the trial and that could be the reason Katherine asked Allgood documents from the estate, so they can prepare.
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January 2013 Katherine's lawyers filed a request from MJ Estate asked Estate to give them documents from AllGood and Lloyds lawsuits. Judge states that AEG has no standing to oppose to late requests from MJ Estate. Judge states both parties can request documents from MJ Estate.
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I think Kai Chase said that she would leave a meal in the fridge for CM and MJ, for after the rehaersals, and what was strange in the morning of the 25th, was that the meals were still there. It was unusual according to her. But i think she also said he didn't eat much.

True, I forgot Kai's testimony.
But it is true that you cannot eat before anesthesia, so I wonder if Michael ate when he got home, CM gave him propofol, and maybe was he sick when he woke up?
 
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True, I forgot Kai's testimony.
But it is true that you cannot eat before anesthesia, so I wonder if Michael ate when he got home, CM gave him propofol, and maybe was he sick when he woke up?

Yes, Shafer said the risk was to regurgitate into the lungs, which would damage the lungs and be very dangerous. that's why you want an empty stomach before anesthesia, so there is much less to regurgitate. Another very competent thing from Murray.
 
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of cuz they could have! They even 'threatened' with it! They postponed a few shows, they could have postponed more or all!
It of cuz would have cost them a few billions of dollars and it wouldn't have been easy. So what's worth more, to protect the health of someone and losing money... or...?! Well if you 'can buy' the life of someone, then that's called slavery. That's exactly what I mean!

In the email chain Gonga wrote:
"We are holding all the risk," Gongaware wrote to Phillips. "We let Mikey know just what this will cost him in terms of him making money.... We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants."

To me it looks like they weren't going to cancel, but suspected that Michael was cancelling rehearsals in order to back down from his side of contract.

Also as per Kenny O testimony:
"Finally it's important for everyone to know , I believe that he really wants this. I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. "

Neither AEG not Michael wanted to cancel the concert. We have heard from Karen F and others from TII that Michael was exited but nervous, so he didn't want to cancel, and you could have imagine the uproar among fans if they pulled the plug on Michael's comeback.
It is easy in the hindsight to say what should have done, but we weren't there and we don't know all the things that went on.
 
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One thing I will never understand is, they signed the contract for these TII concerts in August 2008. So they could start rehearsals this summer 2008 instead to March 2009. It would have given to Mike more time to be ready, so less stress for him.

I can't believe they would have been ready for July 2009, with all the preparations needed for these concerts.
 
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One thing I will never understand is, they signed the contract for these TII concerts in August 2008. So they could start rehearsals this summer 2008 instead to March 2009. It would have given to Mike more time to be ready, so less stress for him.

I can't believe they would have been ready for July 2009, with all the preparations needed for these concerts.

The singer and AEG signed a deal in January 2009. According to the contract, AEG agreed to bankroll a series of London concerts at its 02 Arena and Jackson promised "a first-class performance."

Also, Michael waited Kenny O and he came to fold on middle of April.


How long Michael usually took time for preparation before the tours?

3 months for rehearsals seems ok to me and I suppose Michael could have practice in studio/home anytiime he liked?
I was looking at his timeline http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.ie/2009/08/2009.html beginging of 2009 and all sort of crazy things started happening after his announcement, maybe he didn't get enough time to prepare in peace for his tour?
 
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So let me get this straight. Karen Faye, who claims that her and Michael were basically like "two-peas in a pod." So tight that the WIVES of Michael Jackson were jealous of her (LOL). Was with Michael for so many years that their friendship was unbreakable, yet she didn't want to invade his space in order to discuss his so-called drug addiction. Yeah, okay Karen, whatever you say!

Elizabeth Taylor apparently had no problem.

I wonder how she would have responded if her LIVELIHOOD were not attached to her friendship with Michael? I mean, isn't that what she, and they, are claiming that AEG did with regard to Michael's health and well-being?

All of Michael's "secrets" put on display for money. I still can't wrap my head around that, especially since THE ENTIRE WORLD knew what a private person MJ was.

Ms. Faye puts on blast that she had 2 prescriptions in her name for Michael. Even though those 2-prescriptions were harmless, in my opinion, it's STILL nobody's business.

They all make me sick to my stomach!
 
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The singer and AEG signed a deal in January 2009. According to the contract, AEG agreed to bankroll a series of London concerts at its 02 Arena and Jackson promised "a first-class performance."

Also, Michael waited Kenny O and he came to fold on middle of April.


How long Michael usually took time for preparation before the tours?

3 months for rehearsals seems ok to me and I suppose Michael could have practice in studio/home anytiime he liked?
I was looking at his timeline http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.ie/2009/08/2009.html beginging of 2009 and all sort of crazy things started happening after his announcement, maybe he didn't get enough time to prepare in peace for his tour?


Where I read , they agreed, AEG and Mike for some concerts in 2009 so? I think the deal was done in summer 2008.

And 3 months for rehearsals, it was not enough for a man who was not sure of him, because of what happened in 2005..... He needed more time, too much things to prepare for these " concerts of the century "....
 
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Where I read , they agreed, AEG and Mike for some concerts in 2009 so? I think the deal was done in summer 2008.

And 3 months for rehearsals, it was not enough for a man who was not sure of him, because of what happened in 2005..... He needed more time, too much things to prepare for these " concerts of the century "....

I don't think AEG could have evaluated that (the damage from 2005), at least not in the beginning.
3 months sound short, I agree, but I wouldn't know , i have no experience at all about that, so I could be wrong. Does anyone know how long he would rehearse for the previous tours ?
 
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In the email chain Gonga wrote:
"We are holding all the risk," Gongaware wrote to Phillips. "We let Mikey know just what this will cost him in terms of him making money.... We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants."

To me it looks like they weren't going to cancel, but suspected that Michael was cancelling rehearsals in order to back down from his side of contract.

Also as per Kenny O testimony:
"Finally it's important for everyone to know , I believe that he really wants this. I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. "

Neither AEG not Michael wanted to cancel the concert. We have heard from Karen F and others from TII that Michael was exited but nervous, so he didn't want to cancel, and you could have imagine the uproar among fans if they pulled the plug on Michael's comeback.
It is easy in the hindsight to say what should have done, but we weren't there and we don't know all the things that went on.


Remember how fans got when they moved a few dates
 
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Remember how fans got when they moved a few dates

I certainly remember - SOME of the fans were outraged! Screaming for Michael's blood. I couldn't believe what I was reading on some of the MJ fan sites. Folks were going NUTS!

If I recall correctly the reason for the cancellations was due to the fact that the show had gotten so big, that they needed more time to get the sets from one place to the other. Nothing to do with Michael, per se.

Poor Kenny Ortega had the look of TERROR on his face. When he and Randy Phillips made that announcement. The look of sheer terror!
 
Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Where I read , they agreed, AEG and Mike for some concerts in 2009 so? I think the deal was done in summer 2008.

And 3 months for rehearsals, it was not enough for a man who was not sure of him, because of what happened in 2005..... He needed more time, too much things to prepare for these " concerts of the century "....


The negotiations for TII tour started 2007 (I think) but MJ wasn't ready then, and when he was ready to go back on stage, contract was signed January 2009.
I'm sure there are articles about these meeting, but I found MJJ timeline useful for short info
2008
August 29 :
Colony Capital reaches out to AEG Live to discuss a possible new tour for Michael.

October 20 :
Michael has a meeting at the Bel Air Hotel with Dr Tohme & Randy Phillips to discuss a new tour with AEG.

October 31 :
Michael meets with Dr Tohme & Randy Phillips at the Bel Air Hotel to talk about the AEG deal.

December :
Tom Barrack & Dr Tohme Tohme convince Michael to accept a concert deal and they contact Randy Phillips from AEG Live in oder to start negociations.

2009
January 26 :

Meeting at the Carolwood mansion : Michael (with Blanket and Dr Tohme Tohme by his side), meets an AEG delegation headed by Philip Anschutz, its billionaire founder, AEG's chief executive Tim Leiweke, Randy Phillips, who heads up AEG Live and Paul Gongaware. Michael signs a deal for 31 concerts in London next summer and he also accepts to submit to a rigorous medical check-up.

I may reming that it was Tohme behing these dates as Roger F interviewed him and he said michael could have done 100 concerts. As Tohme was Michael's manager in time the dates were set, it was his job to take care of Michael and set the dates that were suitable for him. Also I wonder if Michael saw the tour dates, and if he did, why didn't he himself told them to space them out if he felt he wasn't up to them? He certainly knew himself and how big of a toll concert took on him, so couldn't he have told them to schedule a concert every 5 days or something like that?

He certainly needed more time, but what stopped him practising and rehearsing by himself from January onwards?
He didn't need Kenny or anyone else to show him how to sing and dance?

It breaks my heart when fans talk about Michael like he was walking and talking zombie who did everything that others told him to do. He was 50 year old man and he knew himself and knew what he was capable of.
 
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Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Remember how fans got when they moved a few dates

I know, I came across some fansites in which fans weren't taking about too nicely about Michael and cancellations.
He knew if he cancelled more dates, fans would be seriously pissed off, due to loss of flight and hotel payments that they already paid.
He also knew, media was waiting for cancellations or something else so they could rip him apart. They were already printing reasons already cancellated concerts were because Michael was in his death bed:doh:

Either way, Michael couldn't win, if he cancelled there would have bee uproar and media would have had field day.
 
Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

It breaks my heart when fans talk about Michael like he was walking and talking zombie who did everything that others told him to do. He was 50 year old man and he knew himself and knew what he was capable of.

Yeah it breaks my heart also.

Not only was he a50-year old man, in my opinion, Michael Jackson was NO pushover and got what he wanted, when he wanted it.

I also believe that the This Is It show got So Big, because that's how Michael Jackson wanted the show to be. He wanted that show to be different from anything out there. Which, as we all know by now, was his style, i.e. BIGGER & BETTER & NEVER SEEN BEFORE!

I remember Kenny Ortega saying one time that Michael was always calling him in the middle of the night with NEW ideas.
 
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