Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[bouee]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

She loved him, and when the whole world turned against him, she wanted to support him and show loyalty instead of causing another conflict. Maybe part of it was fear of losing her position - which was legit, as she probably would have lost it, knowing how Michael avoided the problem and tended to distance himself from people who confronted him. But I also understand the other part of it where she wanted to stay by his side. He needed loyalty. It's not an easy black and white decision. Yes, in the long run it seems to be a coward choice to enable him. But let's face it, if she had said something, it probably wouldn't have changed anything other than her being employed.

It's easy to say now "they should have said/done something", but those who have dealt with a real addicted person in real life - especially with an addicted person that is more powerful than you - know that helping him is nearly an impossible task. Often it's a choice between providing unconditional support or being kicked out with your "truth". And everyone who was in Michael's circle and saw his problems had to make this choice. Karen, Michael's family, his employees, his managers - everyone.

Karen may have a lot of issues, but the most important thing I see about her is that she truly loves Michael. She loved him all those years, she still does, and probably will love him till the end of her life. And although he never returned her feelings or gave her what she needed, she still supported him all his life. For that, I'm willing to forgive her many things.

I understand your point of view, and thank you for posting it. But I can't agree. If you love someone, you want what's best for that person, you want to help. Elizabeth taylor was able to do it once. Michael was clean in the last years of his life. He eventually knew the ones who stood up to him about drugs where right.

A lot of people complain about the leeches and enablers in his life. If all those people had said no, what would he have done ? I know it's not realistic to say that, but for me, she's just one of them. But i can undertsand it's human in a way, some people find it hard to be tough with someone who is already in trouble.

On another hand, the fact that she is jealous of all the women who were around him, accuses everyone when she did exactly the same things herself is not fair.

 

[jamba]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

She loved him, and when the whole world turned against him, she wanted to support him and show loyalty instead of causing another conflict. Maybe part of it was fear of losing her position - which was legit, as she probably would have lost it, knowing how Michael avoided the problem and tended to distance himself from people who confronted him. But I also understand the other part of it where she wanted to stay by his side. He needed loyalty. It's not an easy black and white decision. Yes, in the long run it seems to be a coward choice to enable him. But let's face it, if she had said something, it probably wouldn't have changed anything other than her being employed.

It's easy to say now "they should have said/done something", but those who have dealt with a real addicted person in real life - especially with an addicted person that is more powerful than you - know that helping him is nearly an impossible task. Often it's a choice between providing unconditional support or being kicked out with your "truth". And everyone who was in Michael's circle and saw his problems had to make this choice. Karen, Debbie, Michael's family, his employees, his managers - everyone.

Karen may have a lot of issues, but the most important thing I see about her is that she truly loves Michael. She loved him all those years, she still does, and probably will love him till the end of her life. And although he never returned her feelings or gave her what she needed, she still supported him all his life. For that, I'm willing to forgive her many things.




Are you talking about 2001 and 2009? I think the situations were different in her eyes. In 2001 Michael was just sleepy, and in 2009 he was loosing weight, cold, repeating himself, paranoid and had serious signs of complex physical and psychological problems.

I understand what you are saying but a real friend who sees another friend's life in danger and does not speak to them about it and urge them to get help, is not doing what a true friend needs to do IMO. I know it wasn't easy but when someone's life is on the line, according to your own assessment, you have to speak up.

I had a friend who was a smoker--heavy smoker--I was quite shy at the time and didn't like to confront people about personal life choices. However, I took my courage in hand and spoke to her and said I hought she needed to stop smoking. She did not like what I said and maybe I should have been more forceful (I basically brought up the issue without hammering away at it) b/c sadly she died of lung cancer at a very young age after having various operations. So for me to have said nothing at all was not an option. In retrospect I should have said more.

 

[ivy]

I agree that Karen loved Michael very much. But to me it's sheer hypocrisy to accuse other people of not doing anything when she herself for decades chose not to confront Michael about his dependency issues.

How is she any different than that doctor who took Michael to stage and Phillips / Gongaware that made Michael rehearse if she herself took a drugged Michael to the 30th anniversary concert so that he can perform?

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@Tygger

I am correct in what I said. If the family sought restitution and was successful, yes, Michael’s children would be left to be diligent and pursue the doctor whenever they believed he made income after Michael' parents' passing. I have said many times that is much harder to do than some believe and it is not necessarily fruitful.

what are lawyers for? It's not correct to demonstrate it like the kids would be personally required to be involved in pursing Murray for restitution. They can simply hire a lawyer whose job is to annoy Murray. For example Bravado has a lawyer whose sole job is to send cease and desists and file the exact same complaint - with names changed - whenever someone makes an unauthorized merchandise.

Faye explained that in past tours, Gongaware found doctors specifically for issues he was aware Michael had. These doctors were most likely were hired by the promoter at that time and not Michael. Although the defendants repeat infinitely Michael asked for this particular doctor and hired him, the past shows the producer is the superior here and hires the doctor and, Gongaware is clear on what that doctor’s role will be. The trial will prove if they did even the minimal due diligence before the alleged hire of this doctor.

You do realize that the doctors Karen talked about were giving Michael questionable drugs, right? Otherwise why would she have been arrested if she was carrying the drugs across borders?

Furthermore Dr. Finkelstein - although hired by the promoter - were able to say "he needs to go to rehab". So where's that conflict of interest Jacksons talk about? If a doctor hired & paid by producer to ensure that Michael was drugged in a "balance" to solve his problems and still be able to perform can go to the producer and says "he's forming dependency, he needs rehab", why couldn't Murray?

 

[morinen]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I understand your point of view, and thank you for posting it. But I can't agree. If you love someone, you want what's best for that person, you want to help. Elizabeth taylor was able to do it once. Michael was clean in the last years of his life. He eventually knew the ones who stood up to him about drugs where right.

That's why I said "especially if this person is more powerful than you". Elizabeth was in many ways more powerful than Michael - she was much older, he respected her, he revered her, idolized her, and she had had similar experience in the past that she could talk from. She was probably the only person Michael would listen to in that situation. Karen Faye at the end of the day was just a replaceable employee. And even Elizabeth interfered just once; not in 2001 when she saw him dazed at MSG, not in 2003 after the Bashir documentary.

I think we know from 2003 depositions that there was a Neverland employee who confronted Michael and got fired. We know Frank Cascio confronted Michael and was hardly able to influence anything other than strength of their relationship. So while I think many people wanted to help, they didn't see an opportunity to do that. And I'm sure those who are still loyal to Michael, including Karen, asked themselves after his death how much more they should have done (even if they haven't tweeted or testified about it). Just like Jamba says. How can you not to?

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

The Jack$on$ are afraid of Murray. Wonder why, Granny didn't ask for restitution, so maybe she thought he could help her to win some easy money with AEG.

 

[innuendo141]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Ok... As much as I've tried to avoid this court case I can't seem to keep away from the updates on this site, even though all I seem to be reading are updates of how "sick" or "unhealthy" Michael was the days before he died...

who is this trial serving? And who will get justice? Because one thing is for damn sure, and that is that Michael Jackson will not be the victor in any way shape or form here. His family are dragging his name through the dirt with all of these testimonies being reported. Some of us may have a lady known most of what we have read, but it still isn't nice to read about. I would have preferred not to know a lot of what I read, but in the end, none of it will ever change my opinion of Michael. But Michael DID care about what Theresa thought about him, and m sure that when it is AEGs turn to bring out people, his name will be dragged further through the dirt.

not in Michaels name. This case is a crying shame. Thank god no one can ever take the music, concerts and his teachings from us, because what we have nothing positive to learn from the reasons behind either the defence or Katherine's side.....

God bless Michael Jackson.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

:doh:



What a good friend she is. So she never tried anything to actually help Michael, to make sure she would still be with him.

She is pathetic. I understand why Debbie did not want her around, it probably had nothing to do with jealousy.

ETA : she has torpedoed her own testimony. A lot of things she's saying will help AEG. In the end, after everyone has testified, she will appear self centered and manipulative to the jury.

She sat there & blamed Frank, some doctors, & AEG for Michael's death claiming that they did not do anything & she was telling them Michael was sick, but what exactly did Karen do to help Michael? Did anyone ask her when she felt he was thin or sick, what did she say to him to help? I do not understand why she felt OTHERS are to blame for doing nothing when she herself did NOTHING. Passing the buck is not enough. After listening to the last 2 women boast about how they were the only ones concerned, I blame them too, because they also did nothing to help Michael.

 

[Virre]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Who is Theresa?

And maybe a bit OT, but I just checked that I can see my heartbeat too, and I'm not that thin.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Something I am not getting clearly from the testimony is what the doctors were giving Michael drugs for. Did Karen ever say the reasons why the doctors gave Michael the drugs. Did they give it to him on the tour when she said he was sleepy or for MSG when she claimed she woke him up, for a particular reason? Did they give it to him for pain, or because he wanted to be high? I really do not understand what is going on there.

Virre you know I just tightened my dress across my chest & I can see my heartbeat too. I am not even that thin. Maybe Bush never noticed the heartbeat before, but when he saw how thin Michael was, he paid more attention to his chest and saw the heartbeat? I don't know.

Didn't someone say that they told Michael he was losing weight & Michael said don't say anything. Was it Kenny who said that?

The women talked a lot about Michael losing weight & it seems this made them think something was wrong & they alerted other staff. Now does prof make you lose weight, or do you lose weight if you are eating too little. If weight loss is due to a lack of sufficient food, then is it Muarry who is at fault here or Michael? Was Michael old enough to know when he should eat & drink?

 

[Victory22]

Faye also recalled an odd incident before Jackson performed at Madison Square Garden in fall, 2001. When she went to his hotel room to make up before a show, Faye testified that a doctor stopped her and said: “I just gave Michael a shot, he’s going to be asleep for the next five or six hours.” “I said that can’t be, he’s set to perform.” She eventually got into Jackson’s room, woke him up and fed MJ bagels to keep him awake and ready to perform. (NYPost)

So my question is didn’t Karen do the same thing to Michael she is accusing AEG of doing? Forcing Michael on stage to perform when he was in no physical condition to do so?

Oh! I forgot when Karen and Joe Jackson did it they did it out of love for him…

Karen stated that in the 27 years she worked for Michael she never spoke to him about his so called drug use. Really Karen???? You saw he was that bad off and you said and did NOTHING????

News flash Karen your two or three e-mail correspondence to Phillips does not make you MJ’s savior or a saint. You should have done more if you saw he was “dying”.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Mj got addicted to painkillers in 93 (dangerous tour) it was rumoured mj had a big lupus flare up around msg.he didnt seem well at all through alot of 2001

frankly after what dr treachy said im suspicious of all witnesses and their lack of detail

 

[serendipity]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I agree that Karen feels comfortable in pointing fingers at others and making them look bad for not doing enough to help MJ (Frank DiLeo, Debbie, AEG, Kenny Ortega), when she herself never dared risk her job by trying to talk to him about it, despite her claims of being so close to him that even his wives were jealous of their closeness. Mighty hypocritical of her.

 

[Aquarius]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Who's Theresa?

I truly believe Karen didn't say anything to Michael because she didn't want to lose her job & she wanted to be close to Michael. And I think that she might love him, I don't if as a man or as a friend, but I think there was some kind of love there, the problem is that it was a selfish love. She would wear her blinders as long as she can stay close to him. Friendship is a gift and if she was a true friend she could have talk to him and if Michael didn't like it, at least she could know that she did what she could & I believe that Michael deep in his heart might had thanked her & admired her.

Did she mention what Debbie was injecting Michael with? Was it B12 or what?

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

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[Virre]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Didn't someone say that they told Michael he was losing weight & Michael said don't say anything. Was it Kenny who said that?

That was Bush.

 

[athina_livadi]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Karen's tweets during This Is It preparation:

Karen Faye Kissinger I know how painful it is to loose this beautiful man....I can barely speak, but I must share with you his reason for getting on stage once again. It wasn't for money or to relaunch his career...it was to send the message that we must HEAL THE WORLD
27 June 2009

Karen Faye Kissinger I am so busy and so excited!!!!!!
Karen Faye Kissinger My contractual obligations forbid me to write any more before the concert. I will read your email and posts. Keep sharing with me. Keep dancing! See you in London!
5 June 2009

Karen Faye Kissinger Hello everyone. I apologize for not posting recently. I have signed contracts, and within the contract are strictly enforced confidentiality clauses. Everyone involved in TII, must abide. I will continue to accept my friends, and I will be able to read
05 June 2009

Karen Faye Kissinger spent a few hours buying supplies for TII yesterday at my favorite makeup and hair supply store, Nigel's. It is a little bit of heaven for a girl like me.
30 ?ay 2009

Karen Faye Kissinger Coffee and out the door. Everything is moving along full force. Watching MJ rehearse is giving me goose bumps. A genius at work. I do know how lucky I am to experience all this. Michael told me he was excited to be able to share and bring his music to the world.
29 May 2009

Karen Faye Kissinger Off to a production meeting. I asked Michael on Monday about Shaheen...he DID already see it. He loved it! I guess I am the only one who didn't see it, LOL.
26 May 2009

 

[legacylegacy7]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

What were people like Karen Faye saying about Michael and the shows before and shortly after he died. And before "This Is NOT It" was created?


Karen Faye May 29, 2009
"Coffe and out the door. Everything is moving along full force. Watching Michael rehearse is giving me goosebumps. A genius at work. I do know how lucky I am to experience all this and Michael told me how excited he was to be able to share and bring his music to the world."

Thank U Athina. I should have read your post first. Just when I thought all of the fans had forgotten.

 

[Tygger]

@Tygger
what are lawyers for? It's not correct to demonstrate it like the kids would be personally required to be involved in pursing Murray for restitution. They can simply hire a lawyer whose job is to annoy Murray. For example Bravado has a lawyer whose sole job is to send cease and desists and file the exact same complaint - with names changed - whenever someone makes an unauthorized merchandise.

Ivy, your response made me giggle. Nowhere did I imply Michael's parents or his children would be vigilantes spending all of their time watching out for the doctor’s possible future income and extracting vengeance personally. Of course lawyers would be involved (to what extent we will never know) and for financially stable people like Michael’s children, that is the easy part. Remember though, hardships take many forms, not just financial.

You do realize that the doctors Karen talked about were giving Michael questionable drugs, right? Otherwise why would she have been arrested if she was carrying the drugs across borders?

No, I do not know what the drugs/medications were so, I prefer not to assume.

Furthermore Dr. Finkelstein - although hired by the promoter - were able to say "he needs to go to rehab". So where's that conflict of interest Jacksons talk about? If a doctor hired & paid by producer to ensure that Michael was drugged in a "balance" to solve his problems and still be able to perform can go to the producer and says "he's forming dependency, he needs rehab", why couldn't Murray?

Dr. Wohlgelernter discussed at length the conflicts of interest the doctor had. Dr. Finkelstein said in his deposition he refused to be the TII doctor if Michael was not, as he said, clean. He also would have been paid a lesser amount. Why was this lesser priced doctor, whose history was known, rejected?

The doctor, in his police interview, did say he was trying ‘weaning’ methods on Michael. We do not know if he alerted his alleged superiors at AEG about Michael's condition or not.

 

[jamba]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

KF says on May 29, 2009: "Watching Michael rehearse is giving me goosebumps. A genius at work." Yet according to her testimony in court she was in tears and thinking he was dying a few days later--WTF??

Re 2001, why would she feed him bagels to keep him awake? what about coffee??

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

KF says on May 29, 2009: "Watching Michael rehearse is giving me goosebumps. A genius at work." Yet according to her testimony in court she was in tears and thinking he was dying a few days later--WTF??

Re 2001, why would she feed him bagels to keep him awake? what about coffee??

Because Karen is different. She knows New York Bagles wake you up.

 

[qbee]

Dr. Wohlgelernter discussed at length the conflicts of interest the doctor had. Dr. Finkelstein said in his deposition he refused to be the TII doctor if Michael was not, as he said, clean. He also would have been paid a lesser amount. Why was this lesser priced doctor, whose history was known, rejected?

Did Michael ask for Finkelstein to be his personal Dr. for the Tour. If not how could AEG rejected him. Michael Told AEG he wanted to bring his Dr. on Tour with him ... After Murray gave his price, AEG stated to Michael they could find him a less expensive Dr in London. Thats what AEG suggested. Michael is the one that rejected that and stated he wanted his "OWN" DR. (Murray)... According to the contract he would be the one paying for his own personal physician. (AEG would advance the money)

AEG’s Lawyer Putnam: It was not AEG's choice who Mr. Jackson's doctor is. It's a personal choice by Mr. Jackson and he chose Dr. Murray (ABC7)

 

[Tygger]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Qbee, it confuses me. Gongaware wanted to hire Dr. Finklestein who he worked with and knew from the Dangerous tour. Dr. Finklestein was cheaper but, had one condition for his employment. The doctor Michael supposedly wanted was to be paid more than three times as much and the defendants say they barely knew him. Why? I hope this is one of the answers we will hear at trial.

I have never heard Michael say he chose the doctor. I only know what the doctor said and what the defendants say.

Murray was not Gongaware's first choice to be Jackson's tour doctor in 2009, according to the filing. He first called Finkelstein, who advertises himself now as an addiction specialist, the document said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/showbiz/jackson-death-trial

Another warning sign should have been that Murray asked for $5 million for the job and eventually agreed on $150,000 a month, Panish said. Another doctor had told AEG he would do the job for $40,000 a month as long as Jackson was "clean," meaning not on drugs, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/29/showbiz/jackson-death-trial-opens

 

[AliCat]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Karen Faye sure has come a long way's from the 80's by this Interview, her opinion is a lot different than her perception is in Court right now...

*Make-up girl Karen Faye reveals secrets of the world's No 1 star Michael Jackson*

Michael Jackson has a simple instruction for his personal make-up artist Karen Faye when she prepares him for his appearance on stage. ''Hurt me, hurt me.'' he tells her. For Jackson, whose latest album BAD has sold millions worldwide, wants to look so good for his fans that his image in a mirror must be so fantastic that is almost hurts. Karen said: ''It's one of his favorite phrases - he says it all the time. When he wants something to be brilliant, he says, 'HURT ME'. ''Whenever it is a new dance routine, a photographic session or other people's make-up he says, 'Make it look great, Hurt me'. ''He want his appearance to take people's breath away and most of the time it works''.

Working at such close quarters, Karen is perfectly placed to know exactly how his face has changed. ''He has only had two plastic surgery operations, one on his nose and one on the cleft in his chin,'' She said. ''He makes no secret of the fact. He had then done to improve his looks. ''The nose job was done several years ago, the cleft more recently. Everyone is obsessed with his face but there is no mystery.

''He has changed his diet in a major way too. He's now a vegetarian which has seen his weight alter. ''Michael only eats healthy food. One of his favorite restaurants is the Golden Temple in Hollywood.'' But Karen also revealed that he never touches alcohol. ''He doesn't drink at all,'' she said. He just wants to be in total control. He doesn't need to escape from himself through drink. ''Obviously some people around him drink- he does not frown upon it but he can't understand it. ''If he sees me having a glass of wine he will usually ask, 'How can you drink that stuff?'. ''He thinks its really weird. He can't understand how anyone can drink when they know it may be harming their body''. Michael, 30, is always conscious about his own fitness and general health. During his world-tour concerts he is on stage for two hours leaping, dancing and singing except for a seven-minute break by his band. On a show day he has a strict routine to prepare himself physically and mentally for the gruelling performance. He locks himself away in his hotel suite for several hours and uses a special portable dance floor, which he takes with him everywhere, and practises new steps. http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/michael...eals-secrets-worlds-no-1-star-michael-jackson

 

[jamba]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Because Karen is different. She knows New York Bagles wake you up.

Thanks--that was hilarious!

 

[Bubs]

Jacksons and AEG is arguing over Murray's interview with the police on June 27 2009. (This is the interview that was shown during the criminal trial).

AEG wants to use the interview to show that Murray said Michael asked him to be on his team, and Murray believed that he was the employee of Michael Jackson. AEG says this will show Murray's state of mind. AEG says Murray's state of mind can show that AEG and Murray never entered into a contract and it rebuts that Murray had conflict of interest or divided loyalties.

AEG points out that Jackson experts use other parts of the interview (that Murray gave Michael propofol for 6 weeks, Murray talked with AEG people at the hospital and how Detective Martinez learned 3 bags of Propofol from Murray and so on) but oppose AEG using this part of the interview. AEG calls it unfair.

It is unfair if Jackson's can use part of it for support their case, and AEG can't.

The women talked a lot about Michael losing weight & it seems this made them think something was wrong & they alerted other staff. Now does prof make you lose weight, or do you lose weight if you are eating too little. If weight loss is due to a lack of sufficient food, then is it Muarry who is at fault here or Michael? Was Michael old enough to know when he should eat & drink?

Before anesthesia, you are not supposed to eat anything, so I assume when Michael got home from rehearsals he couldn't eat because CM was going to give him propofol. CM in his LAPD interview didn't mention anything about eating, so I think he didn't eat anything after he got home. After waking up, he had breakfast and he went to back to studios. There he propably forgot to eat or ate when someone reminded him to eat, then cack home and he couldn't eat becase of propfol.
It was a cycle that no wonder he lost so much of weight if he had only proper breakfast and no regular lunch/dinner.





"Faye said she sometimes spoke about Jackson’s addiction with his siblings, Rebbie, Randy and LaToya. It was her understanding, she said, that the family had attempted additional interventions with Jackson that were unsuccessful. (LAtimes)"

Curious choice of siblings she talked about Michael's "addiction"?
Rebbie was never close to Michael like some others and didn't have much contact on him.
Randy wasn't welcome after he tried to "help" Michael to get rid of his money, and need I say anything about Latoya!

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Everybody around Michael, during all his life, never take care of Michael and his health but always take care of their salary, even if Mike couldn't perform like during the MSG 2001.

Karen just confirmed that with her testimony.

It's all about money M.O.N.E.Y

 

[Rhilo]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

^^ It was K.F. together with Randy that duped Michael's fans out of their money by setting up a bogus website. Not surprised, by her contact with them. She's probably still all chummy with them and they are the ones most desperate for the money and behind this lawsuit. Add Jermain to that as well.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Anything for money.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Hi guys. First let me apologise for what is going to be a long and rambling post ...

I just came from the entertainment section of the CNN website where they have a section called the Michael Jackson trial. And it truly hit me - this trial is about bringing Michael Jackson to trial for being responsible for his own death and for exposing all his 'dirty little secrets'! And the media and those in Michael's life are salivating. There are no worries because he is gone and all that anyone ever wanted to say can be said.

The title of the section at CNN really should be Katherine Jackson/AEG Lawsuit. I have seen nothing that suggest that Michael was the victim here. It has been about how weak, paranoid, addicted Michael was and how everyone else kept their sh*t together. I understand the reason why it is called the Michael Jackson trial - gets more traffic. But I hate it.

They talk about Michael's paranoia. But how could he NOT be paranoid? Michael was very sensitive and he had worked in that industry for several decades - he knew what was up. He knew that they smiled to your face and stabbed you in the back. He knew he was just a walking dollar sign to some. I would be paranoid too if, whenever I drifted away from people they sold a story about to the tabloids, or if I refused to do business with them, I got sued, or if I confided in them, they wrote a book. I would be EFFING paranoid too!!!!!

Let me be clear - Michael was not perfect. I am sure he could be lazy, mean-spirited, diva-like, unreasonable. He was not all sweetness and light. The same could be said for me. There are days when I know that I am being a bitch and I don't give a damn! This vulgar obsession people have for exposing the REAL Michael Jackson is getting tiring. Of course, he presented one image to the world and was different out of the sight of the public. All performers do it. It is called image. They all pretend and say wonderful things about each other but feel something different on the inside. It is a part of the game. It is the height of hypocrisy to judge Michael on it.

What made Michael different was his extraordinary charisma. Whatever he gave off was addictive and when people got cut off from it, they went into withdrawal. How would you feel if the most exciting performer in the world and the most famous man on the planet told you that you were the best thing that happened to him and then he stopped calling? I could empathise. But after awhile you should let it go. Hear that Karen Faye - LET IT GO!

This trial needs to focus on AEG's negligence and Katherine Jackson's unreasonable claims. Does Mrs Jackson plan to look at how AEG treated other artists, to show a pattern of behaviour? Does AEG plan to look at how the Jackson family and the lies they tell, to show a pattern of behaviour? Or is this trial going be about Michael, what was wrong with him and whose fault it was (other than their own)?

I am sickened that this thing came to trial. Sickened. Because everybody and their hairdresser gets to wash their mouth Michael again with NO-ONE to challenge them on Michael's behalf (cause neither AEG or the Jackson family are looking to do it). I know I have said this before but I wish the fans could file against these people and expose their lies, exaggerations and motives.

But this too shall pass, we just have to get through it. I don't intend to come back to this thread and I am going to go back to actively avoiding news on this lawsuit, for the sake of my mental health. But needless to say, if something else horrendous crops up, I will be back here to vent!!!

 

[Annita]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Obviously in AEG-Cross Sankey was asked if family was there trying to involve Michael in other projects. She doesn`know.

But I think AEG didn`t ask this question out of the blue.