Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Diplomate]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Be ready for the fake tears...

 

[LastTear]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

She already finished her cross examination ?

They haven't started that yet I don't think.

 

[qbee]

KF was asked who hired her. Its posted in IVY's summary of testimonies.
Michael asked her to go on the tour and AEg negotiated the contract.

Karen Faye said MJ asked her to be on the "This is It" tour and she said yes.

(ABC7) Jackson attorney Panish asks who Faye negotiated with. She says AEG executive Paul Gongaware negotiated her rate to work on tour.

(AP) Gongaware signed Karen Faye’s contract, which was finalized in May 2009.

What I find odd, not about the above, but on other testimony, is how different News agencies use different words to describe the answers to many questions.

he doctor "backed me up against the wall and put his hands around my neck and said 'You don't know what your doing,'" (LATimes)

“an insurance doctor,” backed her up against a wall and put his hands on her neck, choking her until she couldn't breathe.
"He said, `You don't know what you're up against,' " Faye testified. (CNN)

Another place one reports that concert was eventually canceled which it was not. (that statement is misleading because MJ did perform that concert, but the tour was eventually cancelled I believe is what happened.

Well at least the jury will have the transcripts and gets the correct info.
being we reply on media, I like how IVY puts all the different reports of the same testimony so we can at least try and make an informed decision of what witnesses say, but its still difficult, if they contradict each other.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

^^^^ It is really hard without seeing the transcripts, at least we will be getting KF's though. Such a shame those transcripts are sooooo expensive.

Ivy is doing a fantastic job compiling all this for us.

 

[ilmjj]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I am finding out through personal experience that business can be brutal. The hospital where I work are monitoring our productivity, cutting peoples hours and offering buy outs for early retirement. We are all terrified that if enough people don't take early retirement they are going to start laying people off.
There have been so many complaints in the unit I work in that the CEO came around to see what is going on. We asked for more space ...NO. We asked for new heart monitors because they are old...NO he says we cant afford them. But they can afford the new 9 story multi million dollar building and parking tower that is going up.

What I am trying to say the bottom line for business is making money and Michael Jackson knew this. I now realize it
I am broken out with hives all the time and I can't sleep anymore. I cry everyday. I wonder what would happen if take the hospital to court for what they are doing to my mental and physical health?

I have said this before but I don't think the Jackson's and AEG are any different. His family pushed a little boy to sing in strip clubs when he should have been at home doing homework and playing with friends. Or Joseph making fun of a young Michael when he was afraid to fly. The flight attendant comforted him. Michael throwing up at the sight of Joseph. Michael with huge financial worries of his own but Hayvenhurst, Mother and all the neices and nephews have to be taken care of by Michael Jackson...I could go on and on. You guys know all the wounds:no:

What I am trying to say is both the Jacksons and AEG are responsible for seeing Michael as their golden ticket and not the sensative human being that he was. If Michael didn't do TII then the family wanted him to tour with them. I wonder if Janet and the brothers would have cancelled their tour if Michael was having the same symptoms? hmmmm...

I think you guys know what I am trying to say. I am so sorry for rambling.

I can't stand either side in this case but what I really don't want to happen is for the Jackson's to get a lot of money from the blood, sweat, tears and misery of Michael Jackson.

Rant over. I hope you all have a weekend filled with love:wub:

We didn't deserve you Michael.

 

[Vici]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Karen has finished her cross-examination for today and will return next week for more (probably on tuesday).

Travis Payne is up next on mondah (he has to take stand on monday since he is going out of country on tuesday).

 

[Vici]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

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Faye said she had two prescriptions in her name for MJ - Propecia (grow hair) and Latisse (grow eyelashes) for the This is It tour.

 

[Annita]

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The trial resumes Monday at 10a. Associate Prducer Tracy Walker will take the stand.

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She testified that she believed the family was not successful getting MJ into a rehab facility despite trying.
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Faye could not remember when she discussed her fear of MJ's drug use with his sister Rebbie. Rebbie approached her for information
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She also consulted with a doctor about Botox for MJ for sweating. He wore a hairpiece and she was concerned with sweat.
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Faye said she had two prescriptions in her name for MJ - Propecia (grow hair) and Latisse (grow eyelashes) for the This is It tour.
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Faye did the makeup when MJ made the announcement that he was going to rehab. She said sh put false eyelashes on him for the video.
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When Faye went back to work for MJ after the HIStory tour he made Debbie apologize to Faye for having a role in getting her fired.
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Faye said Rowe was jealous of their closeness.
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She said Debbie Rowe who was then MJ's wife had a role in her being removed from the tour. Debbie was pregnant and very in love with MJ
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Under Cross Examination Faye said she was released not fired from the HIStory Tour after the first leg.
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She was asked to work on the "This is It" film touching up MJ in the footage. She refused. She thought that would be a lii and couldn't
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Faye said she prepared MJ's body for the family to see him after he died.
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It was Kenny Ortega who came to her, hugged her and told her MJ had died. She said she became weak in the knees
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Mrs. Jackson is not at the trial today. Makeup artist Karen Faye is back on the stand for continued direct questioning

 

[Bubs]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I am finding out through personal experience that business can be brutal. The hospital where I work are monitoring our productivity, cutting peoples hours and offering buy outs for early retirement. We are all terrified that if enough people don't take early retirement they are going to start laying people off.
There have been so many complaints in the unit I work in that the CEO came around to see what is going on. We asked for more space ...NO. We asked for new heart monitors because they are old...NO he says we cant afford them. But they can afford the new 9 story multi million dollar building and parking tower that is going up.

What I am trying to say the bottom line for business is making money and Michael Jackson knew this. I now realize it
I am broken out with hives all the time and I can't sleep anymore. I cry everyday. I wonder what would happen if take the hospital to court for what they are doing to my mental and physical health?

I have said this before but I don't think the Jackson's and AEG are any different. His family pushed a little boy to sing in strip clubs when he should have been at home doing homework and playing with friends. Or Joseph making fun of a young Michael when he was afraid to fly. The flight attendant comforted him. Michael throwing up at the sight of Joseph. Michael with huge financial worries of his own but Hayvenhurst, Mother and all the neices and nephews have to be taken care of by Michael Jackson...I could go on and on. You guys know all the wounds:no:

What I am trying to say is both the Jacksons and AEG are responsible for seeing Michael as their golden ticket and not the sensative human being that he was. If Michael didn't do TII then the family wanted him to tour with them. I wonder if Janet and the brothers would have cancelled their tour if Michael was having the same symptoms? hmmmm...

I think you guys know what I am trying to say. I am so sorry for rambling.

I can't stand either side in this case but what I really don't want to happen is for the Jackson's to get a lot of money from the blood, sweat, tears and misery of Michael Jackson.

Rant over. I hope you all have a weekend filled with love:wub:

We didn't deserve you Michael.

I hear you. In my opinion, Michael dying wasn't result of just one incident, it was the result of chain reaction. I keep thinking if his family had been a little less demanding on him when he was growing up, if someone had taken care of his imsomnia when it was first detected, so he didn't have to rely on doctors to make him sleep, if there were more good people around Mike, if if if if

My list is full of what ifs and it is really heart breaking to think what could have been done to Michael if only.....:-(

You are right, we didn't deserve him.

 

[Vici]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 18m

The trial resumes Monday at 10a. Associate Prducer Tracy Walker will take the stand.

You mean Stacy Walker?

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I am finding out through personal experience that business can be brutal. The hospital where I work are monitoring our productivity, cutting peoples hours and offering buy outs for early retirement. We are all terrified that if enough people don't take early retirement they are going to start laying people off.
There have been so many complaints in the unit I work in that the CEO came around to see what is going on. We asked for more space ...NO. We asked for new heart monitors because they are old...NO he says we cant afford them. But they can afford the new 9 story multi million dollar building and parking tower that is going up.

What I am trying to say the bottom line for business is making money and Michael Jackson knew this. I now realize it
I am broken out with hives all the time and I can't sleep anymore. I cry everyday. I wonder what would happen if take the hospital to court for what they are doing to my mental and physical health?

I have said this before but I don't think the Jackson's and AEG are any different. His family pushed a little boy to sing in strip clubs when he should have been at home doing homework and playing with friends. Or Joseph making fun of a young Michael when he was afraid to fly. The flight attendant comforted him. Michael throwing up at the sight of Joseph. Michael with huge financial worries of his own but Hayvenhurst, Mother and all the neices and nephews have to be taken care of by Michael Jackson...I could go on and on. You guys know all the wounds:no:

What I am trying to say is both the Jacksons and AEG are responsible for seeing Michael as their golden ticket and not the sensative human being that he was. If Michael didn't do TII then the family wanted him to tour with them. I wonder if Janet and the brothers would have cancelled their tour if Michael was having the same symptoms? hmmmm...

I think you guys know what I am trying to say. I am so sorry for rambling.

I can't stand either side in this case but what I really don't want to happen is for the Jackson's to get a lot of money from the blood, sweat, tears and misery of Michael Jackson.

Rant over. I hope you all have a weekend filled with love:wub:

We didn't deserve you Michael.

You've said it beautifully. Thank you.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

What does the last list of tweets ^^ have to do with the issues though--the eyelashes, botox, Debbie, being fired, jealousy, hair piece? I guess reporters like the more gossipy aspects of the testimony.

It seems Travis is on Monday & Karen goes back for cross-examination? Let's see if Travis contradicts Karen.

 

[Annita]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

It seems Travis is on Monday & Karen goes back for cross-examination? .

I think cross-examination wiht Karen is over.

 

[serendipity]

Jackson so thin 'I could see Michael's heartbeat,' costumer said - latimes.com

The costume designer who worked with Michael Jackson was alarmed by the music legend’s frail figure during his last days, a makeup artist testified Friday.

Michael Bush -- who created much of the singer’s wardrobe for 25 years and wrote a book about the experience -- appeared upset after he finished up a June 2009 fitting inside Jackson’s bathroom at Staples Center, Karen Faye said.

“He said 'Oh my god, Turkle. I could see Michael’s heartbeat through the skin in his chest,'” Faye recounted.

Turkle was Jackson’s nickname for Faye, who worked as his makeup artist off and on for nearly three decades.

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Faye, in her second day on the stand, was emotional as she described the moment.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos then asked Faye about Bush's tone of voice at the time.

“It was like, 'Oh my god,'” Faye said. “He was pretty much in shock.”

Around the same time, Faye said she tried to warn Jackson’s manager, Frank DiLeo, about Jackson’s health.

“[Frank] was saying pretty much, 'I got it under control, don’t worry about it,'” Faye said.

“I said, ‘But he’s losing weight rapidly.’ … I said, ‘Why don’t you ask Michael Bush to verify taking in his pants and how much weight he’s actually losing?’”

Faye said DiLeo went to speak to Bush and she overheard the manager say, “Get him a bucket of chicken.”

“It was such a cold response,” Faye said. “I mean, it broke my heart.”

The 2-week-old civil trial pits AEG against Jackson’s mother and three children who accuse the concert promoter of negligently hiring and controlling Conrad Murray, the doctor who administered a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson. Murray is now serving jail time for involuntary manslaughter.

Faye, who began working with Jackson in the early 1980s and did his hair and makeup for the "Thriller" album cover, said she felt the singer “did not have enough muscle mass to do a concert” as he was prepping for his “This Is It” comeback tour.

She said Jackson realized he didn't look good in a video that was filmed to be used on giant screens during the concert series. At his request, she said, she assisted technicians retouching the singer’s image on the footage.

But the makeup artist said that although she was asked, she did not help retouch the posthumous “This Is It” documentary.

“Everybody was lying after he died, sir, that Michael was well,” Faye said to the Jacksons’ attorney, Brian Panish. “And everybody knew he wasn’t. I felt retouching Michael was just a part of that lie.”

During cross-examination by an AEG attorney, Faye clarified and said she had been torn about working on the documentary.

“My initial feeling was that I didn’t want to lie, and the second, my other thing that was tugging at my heart, was that if this movie was going out, I wanted him to look good.”

Faye said she helped prepare Jackson’s body for his casket.

So did she or didn't she work on the TII movie? I can't quite understand from her answers.

Also, I'm taking her comments about Frank DiLeo with a big grain of salt - it's easy to say all that when he can't say anything now.

 

[amoremotus]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I think cross-examination wiht Karen is over.

On Monday, AEG attorneys are expected to call their first witnesses, choreographers Stacy Walker and Travis Payne.

Because the two must leave for a show in Tokyo, Judge Yvette Palazuelos has allowed the defense to call them early. Faye will return afterward.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-pain-killers-20130510,0,803748.story?page=2

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Even now kf asks lije a teenage girl fighting over a boy. saying debbie was jealous of her yet she was married and havibg his kid. and the other comments. makes herself look really childish

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Unbelievable what she said about Debbie Rowe, so teenage girl.....

 

[marialovesmjj]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

This whole trial is just sad on so many levels. Karens comments...

...

To me everything we keep learning boils down to this: there was a man who was dying and hardly anyone did anything to try and help him because they just cared about money or just didn't care.

 

[Victory22]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

It's amazing the number of two-faced people Michael had around him. Karen hated Debbie because Debbie could see right through her. Michael should have let her stay fired.

 

[jamba]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

How many stories does this woman have anyway.

If Michael was dehydrated, what was Muarry doing? Wasn't he supposed to be hydrating him. I notice that Kenny told Michael to drink some water in TII.

Jamba yes dehydration does cause this. I remember that Dick said that after 05 trial, Michael was thin & told him they were going to kill him. He took Michael & gave him some tests & saw he was extremely dehydrated. He hydrated him, worked on his health & Michael was back to normal or words to that effect. You see that is another problem with this trial. These witnesses make these statements & you do not know what the circumstances are--unless they are saying what the circumstances and the reporter is not reporting it? We don't hear that Michael became disorientated because he was dehydrated.

Anyway Karen's comment about his skin puts the fault on Muarry, the doctor; not on AEG. Unless they are going to say that AEG should know that because Muarry had debt he would not make sure that Michael had enough liquids, causing Michael's skin & eyes to be dry.

Actually, according to Dick Gregory, it was during the trial, and MJ was super-paranoid, just as he is being described in court now, only worse so, saying that people wanted to kill him. Dick G. said let's go to a hosp and MJ said no, no they'll kill me. And then Dick Gregory persuaded him to get in the car and they would drive far away where no one would know where they were and MJ agreed. Then after he had driven an hour or so, he said to MJ look, no one will know where we are going, so let's just go to the nearest hosp. so MJ agreed. When they got there Dick said MJ got IVs all through the night--lots of fluids and the dr. told DG that if he had not gotten the fluids he would have died, and that was in 05.

Yes, good catch re Ortega asking MJ to drink water. People close to him knew about the dehydration issues, and MJ said (I think in the home movies or somewhere) that when he was on tour he would not eat or drink, and that also happened when he was superstressed.

I think Judge P. should have rebuked KJ went she was so scornful re 'Oh, are we objecting? Sidebar?" That is so disrespectful of the court and the defendant's right to object and shows what a class act KF is --not. And what a great courtroom YP is running--not.

 

[jamba]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Oh, I am not sure if it was uncalled for. Good to let the jury know that Michael was a straight man that indeed had a real marriage with Lisa and did not want it to end... In light of the allegations right now, probably something that is good to establish.

"did not want it to end"--I got out of what KF said that LMP was begging him not to file, meaning he did want to file for divorce.Otherwise, why would LMP beg him not to? I think he was ready to end the marriage after LMP's behavior when he collapsed in NYC and went to the hosp. The dr. there also said he was close to death and in a coma when he came to the emergency room but LMP insisted and to this day still thinks it was drugs, not dehydration, exhaustion, and flu, which is what the docs said. Apparently LMP was so outrageous in the hosp yelling at MJ when he was sick that she was asked to leave--by MJ and I think also the docs and his family.

I do think he was genuinely in love with her but I think by that point he had had enough.

I agree with Bouee that who filed first for divorce is not relevant to this lawsuit re negligent hiring.

 

[marebear]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I am sorry what did she say about Lisa Marie?

 

[8701girl]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

The dr. there also said he was close to death and in a coma when he came to the emergency room but LMP insisted and to this day still thinks it was drugs, not dehydration, exhaustion, and flu, which is what the docs said. Apparently LMP was so outrageous in the hosp yelling at MJ when he was sick that she was asked to leave--by MJ and I think also the docs and his family.
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Whether it was drugs or not she should've been more supportive and if i remember correctly im sure i read she had a go at katherine or something like that and katherine told her to go

 

[8701girl]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

I am sorry what did she say about Lisa Marie?

basically that lisa didnt wanna file for divorce and she was begging michael not to end the marriage but it too late by then

 

[marebear]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

All I see is what a terrible doctor Murray was. He didn't know what he was doing. If Michael didn't look well, speak well or act well it's his fault. Michael trusted him to take care of him. That's why the Jacksons should make him accountable for the rest of his life. I see that people did notice things but they had no idea what was really going on with Murray and Michael. I think people suspected anything but Murray. People could see there were problems but they were looking in the wrong direction.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Karen does not convince me.... :nono:

I know right cant wait to hear what lisa marie has to say

To me it makes no sense Lisa to testify since she has not kept in touch with Michael over the years and had no idea what was going on in his life.... :blink: BUT if she testify, will be a complete disaster because she will not help much, will only further undermine the question "Michael addict".... *bis sigh*

 

[8701girl]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Karen does not convince me.... :nono:









To me it makes no sense Lisa to testify since she has not kept in touch with Michael over the years and had no idea what was going on in his life.... :blink: BUT if she testify, will be a complete disaster because she will not help much, will only further undermine the question "Michael addict".... *bis sigh*

True but i jsut want to see what lisa has to say cuz to me there more she has to say but is hiding it

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

True but i jsut want to see what lisa has to say cuz to me there more she has to say but is hiding it

It's what I think too!

 

[qbee]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

basically that lisa didnt wanna file for divorce and she was begging michael not to end the marriage but it too late by then

Actually Karen said said LMP was begging MJ not to file for divorce and then very next day MJ read in the news that LMP filed and he was devastated.

Jurors viewed a series of photos of Faye and Jackson together through the years, including one taken in January 1996, the day after Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce from Jackson. Jackson was upset because just before filing, Presley called him and begged him not to file for divorce, She said. "She begged and begged, saying please don't file," Faye said. Jackson promised not to file, only to see "the next morning it was all over the press that she filed before him." The photo of Jackson out with Faye "was to give the press something to talk about" with Faye being "the mysterious blonde." (CNN)

"Lisa Marie Presley was calling Michael the day before (the photo) was shot, begging him not to divorce," she testified. "So he promised her he wouldn't file for divorce. But the next morning, it was all over the press she had gone ahead and filed. He was devastated." (NYDailyNews)

 

[8701girl]

Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG (daily threads merged)

Actually Karen said said LMP was begging MJ not to file for divorce and then very next day MJ read in the news that LMP filed and he was devastated.

Jurors viewed a series of photos of Faye and Jackson together through the years, including one taken in January 1996, the day after Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce from Jackson. Jackson was upset because just before filing, Presley called him and begged him not to file for divorce, She said. "She begged and begged, saying please don't file," Faye said. Jackson promised not to file, only to see "the next morning it was all over the press that she filed before him." The photo of Jackson out with Faye "was to give the press something to talk about" with Faye being "the mysterious blonde." (CNN)

"Lisa Marie Presley was calling Michael the day before (the photo) was shot, begging him not to divorce," she testified. "So he promised her he wouldn't file for divorce. But the next morning, it was all over the press she had gone ahead and filed. He was devastated." (NYDailyNews)

Well i was sort of close lol