Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Vici]

^^

Thanks. I wrote that as well on the previous page. Where is the evidence that says that incident was drug related? I dont understand...

 

[Soundmind]

But AEG is not responsible for Murray's actions.

The argument was MJ's survival did not depend on Murray , even if he was removed from the equation MJ would have still asked someone else for propofol . In fact propofol did not kill Michael Jackson what killed him was Murray's 17 deviations from standard of care COMBINED ,, that no doctor on earth was going to do.

 

[Big Apple2]

That doesnt prove anything because it has not been confirmed by anyone that the fainting for HBO was drugrelated. As a matter of fact, MJs doctor released a statment saying it was not drugrelated. Up to you if you wanna believe it or not but NO proof have offered that it had to do with drugs.

Michael fainted during rehearsal at the Beacon Theatre? Really, I never heard that before.
What happened, what was the OFFICIAL reason for Michael's collapse?

Were there any other collapses, aside from the one Bodyguard Mike described?

 

[passy001]

That doesnt prove anything because it has not been confirmed by anyone that the fainting for HBO was drugrelated. As a matter of fact, MJs doctor released a statment saying it was not drugrelated. Up to you if you wanna believe it or not but NO proof have offered that it had to do with drugs.

Ok. That is a fair point. I'll concede to that. in fact KO also said in the same line of questioning that:

Putnam: Was he physical well?
Ortega: He seemed tired and unhappy, stressed.
Expand

So it could be something completely unrelated to drugs, etc..

 

[Soundmind]

^^

Thanks. I wrote that as well on the previous page. Where is the evidence that says that incident was drug related? I dont understand...

We should ignore what that doctor said and pretend that it was a drug related incident for the same reason that we had to pretend that the paramedics did not tell the security head in 2002 the fainting was due to low blood sugar and insist it was probably drug related . Everyone is so willing to smear MJ just to prove a point .

 

[passy001]

Well, there is ZERO room to speculate that the collapse in 1995 was due to drugs use , the doctor who treated MJ said they did suspect drugs initially when he was admitted.However, there was none at all found in his system , he did say MJ was clean . what's wrong with you people ?

That's was unnecessary. Surely you can make a point without resorting to insults. can't you?

 

[Soundmind]

Ok. That is a fair point. I'll concede to that. in fact KO also said in the same line of questioning that:



So it could be something completely unrelated to drugs, etc..

It was absolutely not related to drugs .ZERO possibility it was related to drugs . The doctor who treated MJ wrote a very lengthy article after MJ's death and talked about the incident .

 

[Vici]

It was absolutely not related to drugs .ZERO possibility it was related to drugs . The doctor who treated MJ wrote a very lengthy article after MJ's death and talked about the incident .

If I believe correct the doctor said MJ was dehydrated and had low blood pressure.

Michael fainted during rehearsal at the Beacon Theatre? Really, I never heard that before.
What happened, what was the OFFICIAL reason for Michael's collapse?

Were there any other collapses, aside from the one Bodyguard Mike described?

Yes, he did. It was known before and he had to cancel the performance. It has been brought up many times in this trial by AEG to shown 'a pattern' of Mikes alleged drug abuse. However, no proof have been offered that any drugs were involved in that incident.

So far, I just know of that fainting incident and the one the bodyguard talked about. Have been mentioned that both incidents had to be with low blood sugar.

 

[Soundmind]

That's was unnecessary. Surely you can make a point without resorting to insults. can't you?

I'm not insulting anyone , I'm frustrated that it became a habit to smear MJ on MJ's boards just to prove a point whether one is advocating for AEG or the Jacksons MJ has become a fair game .

 

[Big Apple2]

We should ignore what that doctor said and pretend that it was a drug related incident for the same reason that we had to pretend that the paramedics did not tell the security head in 2002 the fainting was due to low blood sugar and insist it was probably drug related . Everyone is so willing to smear MJ just to prove a point .

Sorry but I hardly believe that a paramedic can say with 100% accuracy that a person fainting is not due to "something in particular" without the proper testing.

They most likely wanted to transport Michael to the hospital, so they could conduct a battery of test, in order to pinpoint the EXACT problem. But for whatever reason MJ didn't want to go.

 

[Vici]

^^
Maybe initial testing at the hotel showed low blood sugar?

Why do people doubt MJ? Lol. I dont get it. Im confused at times when I see what people posts here.

I get people are AEG supporters in this trial and thats perfectly fine but the lengths people go to defend AEG and smearing MJ at the same time is mind bogging.

 

[Soundmind]

Sorry but I hardly believe that a paramedic can say with 100% accuracy that a person fainting is not due to "something in particular" without the proper testing.

They most likely wanted to transport Michael to the hospital, so they could conduct a battery of test, in ordre to pinpoint the EXACT problem. But for whatever reason MJ didn't want to go.

Who told you any of that ? Who testified in court the paramedics wanted to take him to the hospital but he refused ? what do you believe was the EXACT problem ? because according to the bodyguard he saw no drugs no alcohol that day in MJ's suit , he did not see a doctor also , the paramedics did check MJ , did tell him he suffered a low blood sugar . so what was the EXACT problem in your opinion ? Again MJ is a fair game just to prove a point

 

[passy001]

I'm not insulting anyone , I'm frustrated that it became a habit to smear MJ on MJ's boards just to prove a point whether one is advocating for AEG or the Jacksons MJ has become a fair game .

don't want to derail the thread, but saying "what's wrong with you people" to someone is insulting at the least in other cultures. so be mindful of what you say considering the cultural diversity of the fans visiting this forum.

Making an honest error in judgement is not smearing. it is what it is but smearing.

 

[twinklEE]

It's painful to see that Michael is given no benefit of a doubt at all.

 

[Vici]

It's painful to see that Michael is given no benefit of a doubt at all.

+1

Co-sign!!!!!!

 

[passy001]

If I believe correct the doctor said MJ was dehydrated and had low blood pressure.
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That's true. In fact there was an article about that doctor which was posted here on this forum a while back. If my memory serves me well, it the doctor said MJ was very lucky and could had died had he not reach the hospital in time. something to that effect.

 

[Soundmind]

don't want to derail the thread, but saying "what's wrong with you people" to someone is insulting at the least in other cultures. so be mindful of what you say considering the cultural diversity of the fans visiting this forum.

Making an honest error in judgement is not smearing. it is what it is but smearing.

Well, please be mindful that there are still fans who do wish to come to MJ's boards and do not like to see how everything in his life is being twisted to suit a twisted agenda whether it is done by AEG , the Jacksons or both sides advocates on the fan boards. My intention was not to insult you , I'm offended at the insults directed at MJ from his own fans .

 

[Big Apple2]

^^

Maybe initial testing at the hotel showed low blood sugar?

Why do people doubt MJ? Lol. I dont get it. I get people are AEG supporters in this trial and thats perfectly fine but the lenghts people go to defend AEG and smearing MJ at the same time is mindboggling.

In my opinion, the equipment coming from the back of an ambulance is just for a PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT. The hospital's equipment will give a patient the full and accurate story as to what is actually going on with a person's health.

Case in point, Nurse Lee gave a preliminary assessment but STILL insisted that Michael go to the hospital so that he could get an accurate assessment for his symptoms.

I'm not doubting Michael, but son was human, with human faults. And he should have brought his fine behind to the hospital as was suggested by Nurse Lee.

 

[passy001]

It was absolutely not related to drugs .ZERO possibility it was related to drugs . The doctor who treated MJ wrote a very lengthy article after MJ's death and talked about the incident .

What part of the "I'll concede to that" you don't understand?

 

[Bubs]

Yes, she dislikes Grace. She said that she loved Grace in the beginning but as time went she started to dislike her and told jurors she didnt believe Grace was good for MJ, especially during the trial in 2005. I had heard the story Paris told in her deposition (Grace crawling into MJs bed) before because Karen had already told fans about it on her FB after MJ died. She has told many stories about Grace to fans. I think the main thing is that she felt both Grace and Raymone tried to block her from having any contact with MJ.

Its interesting because we have ppl like Kenny Ortega claiming otherwise that it could be frustrating to work with Karen because she wanted to have MJ for herself and started to call the shots (that was NOT his exact words). Remember Congaware saying in an email they wanted her to go because she was starting to show those signs again.

Thanks for the info. She sounds like she didn't want any women around MJ, other than herself :smilerolleyes:

Hmmm is it really fair to say that both Kenny and Murray were in same position re contracts/hiring etc? The thing they have in common is that Michael wanted them... BUT Kenny was an employee of his own company, K.O. Company. AEG had an agreement with K.O. Company for the services of Ortega. Thats the same thing with Karen Faye. She's an employee of Zilk Inc (Taunya Zilkies company) and AEG had an agreement with Zilk Inc for Karens services. Thats not the case with Murray. He had no company of any kind, right?

Its just like with these staffing/contractor companies (KO Company/Zilk) that hires consultants to companies (AEG). Of course the consultants are not hired by the companies they offer their services to, but rather to their staffing/contractor companies. But Murray didnt have his own company to be employed by.

How does Murray fit in all of this? Esp when his contract was the only one that needed MJs signature and not all other contractors like Kenny and Karen.

I had a another look that contract between AEG and CM. Just realised that the first line says it is contract between, AEG, GCA holdings (CM's company) and CM. CM made AEG to change the contract so they put his company to it, so wouldn't it be basically the same as others, except MJ's signature was requested CM's contract.
Don't know if it makes any difference one way or other though.

 

[gerryevans]

If I believe correct the doctor said MJ was dehydrated and had low blood pressure.
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Yeah...this is the article from the doctor. It's on the forum. It's one of my favorite reads.

******
MJ nearly died in 1995 after collapsing on stage and the media and some fans said he fake it! poor Mike.
http://www.heraldonline.com/front/story/1458834.html




Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009

When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.

In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.

“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.

Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”

In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”

Alleyne didn't believe it then.

“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.

He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.

“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.

Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.

“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”

Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.

After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.

“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.

And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”

Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”

Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.

But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.

“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.

Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.

“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”

He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”

Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson's fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.

“Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform."

Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.

Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson's family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.

After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson's publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson's people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.

News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson's condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.

“Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”

Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson's doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.

Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.

“After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”

Jackson's entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.

Near the end of Jackson's hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”

Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn't such a good idea.”

When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.

“House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”

In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson's famous trademark dance.

But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne's every move.

Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”

All humble Alleyne asked for was an autographed picture for his kids to have years down the road.

Before Alleyne left the hotel that day, Alleyne recalled Jackson telling him: “Thank you for saving my life.”

Then Jackson told Alleyne he understood how difficult it had been for a black man to get to such a distinguished position within the medical world, that Alleyne's accomplishments were inspiring to Jackson.[color]

“It was very touching,” Alleyne said. “I will never forget that.”

Alleyne never gave an interview since then, never signed any book deals or made a nickel off being Michael Jackson's doctor of almost two weeks. He never spoke to Michael Jackson again.

Alleyne, other than casual conversation with friends, or associates in medicine, or among the people at his medical practice, never told anyone of his time as doctor to the most famous entertainer in the world.

Alleyne's own children, son Douglas and daughter Courtney, only learned of his role when a documentary came out a few years ago that had some of the footage of the news conferences from 1995 in it. There was Bill Alleyne.

“Daddy, are you Michael Jackson's doctor?” his daughter asked.

“I said yes, because I was his doctor,” Alleyne said. “I looked at it as always being his doctor, that I had a professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and would honor that.”

This man with Carolina roots in his family came to Charlotte in 1996, then began practicing medicine in Rock Hill in 1999. He's done what humble doctors do: give some time to reading at schools, volunteered, raised his kids.

The sign outside his Rock Hill medical practice only has his name. There is no mention of Michael Jackson anywhere in the building.

Only now, after Jackson's death, did Alleyne agree to share his remembrances of those days.

Alleyne said that he told his wife, only half-jokingly, that the world spotlight would be on the doctors who had recently been caring for Jackson before his death.

Alleyne said he would be remembered as: “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”

Alleyne has, at night the past few days after seeing patients, watched some coverage of the aftermath of Michael Jackson's death.

“That to this day he is so loved comes as no surprise to me,” Alleyne said. “He was very gracious and kind.”

He understands that there were accusations against Jackson after 1995, but that was not the Michael Jackson Bill Alleyne knew in 1995.

And Tuesday afternoon, as tens of millions, maybe more, watched the memorial service for Jackson from Los Angeles, here's what Bill Alleyne, doctor, did: He saw other patients. He did not watch TV.

He helped a lady with a little bit of cardiopulmonary trouble. Another with asthma. More. Each received Bill Alleyne's full attention, as he had given Michael Jackson his full attention in 1995.

Alleyne saw them all, gave this interview about that two weeks 14 years ago, then went home.

Just like he did for those crazy days in December 1995, when Bill Alleyne was Michael Jackson's doctor.

*******

P.S....I tried to just post the MJJC link to the article, but for some reason, I couldn't. If someone wants to do so instead of having the article itself here in this thread, please do. thk

 

[passy001]

Well, please be mindful that there are still fans who do wish to come to MJ's boards and do not like to see how everything in his life is being twisted to suit a twisted agenda whether it is done by AEG , the Jacksons or both sides advocates on the fan boards. My intention was not to insult you , I'm offended at the insults directed at MJ from his own fans .

you are completely missing the point.

If we were all resorting to insults because we don't like what we say to each other, we would not be able to have a conversation. worse moderators would have to clean up the thread, deleting posts in the process. this is an extra administrative burden that can be avoided just by sticking to the rule. it's really not that difficult.

Again, you can correct someone opinion with simply manners of courtesy just like Vici did, without the need to insult, an in so doing would be living up to the true spirit moderators are relentlessly championing here.

 

[Bubs]

Now if MJ could find work with a $400m of debt tagged to his name, why shouldn't CM be able to do the same?
KO could find work even though he's previously been in debt. So how can CM being in debt constitute a red flag? how does that help predict that this man would kill MJ someday?

Excellent breakdown of KO's testimony. I agreed with all of the points you made, especially the above one.
Given the times we are living now, more and more people are in debt for one reason or the other, being debt should not be considered as red flag and I honestly don't think jurors will see plaintiffs side on this.

 

[passy001]

Yeah...this is the article from the doctor. It's on the forum. It's one of my favorite reads.

******
MJ nearly died in 1995 after collapsing on stage and the media and some fans said he fake it! poor Mike.
http://www.heraldonline.com/front/story/1458834.html




Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009

When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.

In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.

“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.

Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”

In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”

Alleyne didn't believe it then.

“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.

He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.

“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.

Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.

“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”

Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.

After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.

“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.

And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”

Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”

Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.

But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.

“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.

Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.

“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”

He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”

Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson's fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.

“Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform."

Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.

Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson's family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.

After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson's publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson's people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.

News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson's condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.

“Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”

Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson's doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.

Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.

“After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”

Jackson's entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.

Near the end of Jackson's hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”

Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn't such a good idea.”

When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.

“House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”

In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson's famous trademark dance.

But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne's every move.

Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”

All humble Alleyne asked for was an autographed picture for his kids to have years down the road.

Before Alleyne left the hotel that day, Alleyne recalled Jackson telling him: “Thank you for saving my life.”

Then Jackson told Alleyne he understood how difficult it had been for a black man to get to such a distinguished position within the medical world, that Alleyne's accomplishments were inspiring to Jackson.[color]

“It was very touching,” Alleyne said. “I will never forget that.”

Alleyne never gave an interview since then, never signed any book deals or made a nickel off being Michael Jackson's doctor of almost two weeks. He never spoke to Michael Jackson again.

Alleyne, other than casual conversation with friends, or associates in medicine, or among the people at his medical practice, never told anyone of his time as doctor to the most famous entertainer in the world.

Alleyne's own children, son Douglas and daughter Courtney, only learned of his role when a documentary came out a few years ago that had some of the footage of the news conferences from 1995 in it. There was Bill Alleyne.

“Daddy, are you Michael Jackson's doctor?” his daughter asked.

“I said yes, because I was his doctor,” Alleyne said. “I looked at it as always being his doctor, that I had a professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and would honor that.”

This man with Carolina roots in his family came to Charlotte in 1996, then began practicing medicine in Rock Hill in 1999. He's done what humble doctors do: give some time to reading at schools, volunteered, raised his kids.

The sign outside his Rock Hill medical practice only has his name. There is no mention of Michael Jackson anywhere in the building.

Only now, after Jackson's death, did Alleyne agree to share his remembrances of those days.

Alleyne said that he told his wife, only half-jokingly, that the world spotlight would be on the doctors who had recently been caring for Jackson before his death.

Alleyne said he would be remembered as: “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”

Alleyne has, at night the past few days after seeing patients, watched some coverage of the aftermath of Michael Jackson's death.

“That to this day he is so loved comes as no surprise to me,” Alleyne said. “He was very gracious and kind.”

He understands that there were accusations against Jackson after 1995, but that was not the Michael Jackson Bill Alleyne knew in 1995.

And Tuesday afternoon, as tens of millions, maybe more, watched the memorial service for Jackson from Los Angeles, here's what Bill Alleyne, doctor, did: He saw other patients. He did not watch TV.

He helped a lady with a little bit of cardiopulmonary trouble. Another with asthma. More. Each received Bill Alleyne's full attention, as he had given Michael Jackson his full attention in 1995.

Alleyne saw them all, gave this interview about that two weeks 14 years ago, then went home.

Just like he did for those crazy days in December 1995, when Bill Alleyne was Michael Jackson's doctor.

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P.S....I tried to just post the MJJC link to the article, but for some reason, I couldn't. If someone wants to do so instead of having the article itself here in this thread, please do. thk

Thank you. I'll add the enclosed link to my original post.

 

[Vici]

I had a another look that contract between AEG and CM. Just realised that the first line says it is contract between, AEG, GCA holdings (CM's company) and CM. CM made AEG to change the contract so they put his company to it, so wouldn't it be basically the same as others, except MJ's signature was requested CM's contract.
Don't know if it makes any difference one way or other though.

Thanks!!

 

[Big Apple2]

Thanks for the info. She sounds like she didn't want any women around MJ, other than hI had a another look that contract between AEG and CM. Just realised that the first line says it is contract between, AEG, GCA holdings (CM's company) and CM. CM made AEG to change the contract so they put his company to it, so wouldn't it be basically the same as others, except MJ's signature was requested CM's contract.
Don't know if it makes any difference one way or other though.

Yeah, I noticed that also.

It's like folks are being paid by and through the companies they either own or are associated with.

I, although, didn't realize that Karen was going through the Zilk Company. I wonder what that was all about.

As to Kenny Ortega and Murray, I wonder if going through their companies afforded them some sort of tax relief, or something else.

 

[ivy]

"Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses."

Ivy, I have a question about that rebuttal thingy. Is Panish going to bring 4 of his witnesses that already testified, or can he bring someone who hasn't testified previously?

I think - although not sure- he can call anyone he wants but the testimony should be limited to rebutting what the defense said. they cannot introduce new topics.

BUT Kenny was an employee of his own company, K.O. Company. AEG had an agreement with K.O. Company for the services of Ortega. Thats the same thing with Karen Faye. She's an employee of Zilk Inc (Taunya Zilkies company) and AEG had an agreement with Zilk Inc for Karens services. Thats not the case with Murray. He had no company of any kind, right?

Murray had his own company CGA Holdings and the contract includes his company and says Murray is employee of CGA

 

[jaydom7]

Katherine should've been filing a wrongful death lawsuit along with a medical malpractice lawsuit against Dr Conrad Murray

 

[Vici]

I'm not doubting Michael, but son was human, with human faults. And he should have brought his fine behind to the hospital as was suggested by Nurse Lee.

Absolutely. I agree with you but we were talking about the two fainting incidents only. Witness testified they did not see MJ high or out of it, the said they did not see any drugs or alcohol or any doctor present. The paramedics allegedly told the bodyguard MJ suffered from low blood sugar in 2001 and MJs doctor said he was dehydrated and suffered from low Blood sugar in 1995 when he fainted.

This means there are NO evidence that suggest drugs were involved but some fans still dont give MJ the benefit of doubt regarding these two incidents. It makes you wonder really.

 

[passy001]

Murray's contract was the only one that required Michael's signatur. No other contract needed MJs signature to be fully executed, so who knows if MJ would have had time to sign Kennys as well at the time he passed. Plus, Kenny was hired by his own company to offer services to AEG, same case with Karen.

Good point Vici. I'd like to know something with regards to the bold part. What do you make of KO claiming that he considered MJ as his boss? wouldn't you expect him to see AEG as his boss under such circumstance?

I claimed this to be similar to Murray, because Murray was according to AEG an independent contractor, whose contract also had to be signed by AEG but to the benefit and at the request of MJ.