Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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Thats tricky.

Ive been working as a contractor for a company and while Im not hired by them, I do have obligations and responsibility towards them. I have a boss there but my "real" boss is at the contractor firm. The company I work for do have some "power" eg they can fire me or extend my work and decide my hours and workload. If something would happen at work (depends on what it is) I guess the company I work for will get involved and have some responsibility too.

I would say its a mutual cooperation between my employee and the company I work for. Because usually the contractor firm does a background check, interviews you and request proper documents to be sent to them before they make any decisions.
 
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Hmmm is it really fair to say that both Kenny and Murray were in same position re contracts/hiring etc? The thing they have in common is that Michael wanted them... BUT Kenny was an employee of his own company, K.O. Company. AEG had an agreement with K.O. Company for the services of Ortega. Thats the same thing with Karen Faye. She's an employee of Zilk Inc (Taunya Zilkies company) and AEG had an agreement with Zilk Inc for Karens services. Thats not the case with Murray. He had no company of any kind, right?

Its just like with these staffing/contractor companies (KO Company/Zilk) that hires consultants to companies (AEG). Of course the consultants are not hired by the companies they offer their services to, but rather to their staffing/contractor companies. But Murray didnt have his own company to be employed by.

How does Murray fit in all of this? Esp when his contract was the only one that needed MJs signature and not all other contractors like Kenny and Karen.

^^Didn't someone on the stand say Muarry wanted a change in a contract so that the pay went to the name of his business. At the time I thought he did that so the "wives" couldn't get it that easily.
 
Why is Katherine blaming AEG for not taking care of 'her son' when she herself didn't take care of him?
 
^^Didn't someone on the stand say Muarry wanted a change in a contract so that the pay went to the name of his business. At the time I thought he did that so the "wives" couldn't get it that easily.

Apparently the contract states his business. I didnt notice it.
 
Absolutely. I agree with you but we were talking about the two fainting incidents only. Witness testified they did not see MJ high or out of it, the said they did not see any drugs or alcohol or any doctor present. The paramedics allegedly told the bodyguard MJ suffered from low blood sugar in 2001 and MJs doctor said he was dehydrated and suffered from low Blood sugar in 1995 when he fainted.

This means there are NO evidence that suggest drugs were involved but some fans still dont give MJ the benefit of doubt regarding these two incidents. It makes you wonder really.

I hear you Vici and I appreciate your feedback.

But I'm not talking about drugs or alcohol. Shoot it took me FOREVER to believe that Michael used propofol before Murray came along. When Nurse Lee first came on the scene, I thought, and said very loudly, that she was lying.

Anyway, the point to my post was to point out the difference in the work-up you get in an ambulance as opposed to the work-up you get at the hospital.

Fainting, low blood pressure, dehydration all serious issues that need to be addressed by a doctor and not a paramedic. The paramedics job is to stablize you, until you get to the hospital.
 
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Thats tricky.

Ive been working as a contractor for a company and while Im not hired by them, I do have obligations and responsibility towards them. I have a boss there but my "real" boss is at the contractor firm. The company I work for do have some "power" eg they can fire me or extend my work and decide my hours and workload. If something would happen at work (depends on what it is) I guess the company I work for will get involved and have some responsibility too.

I would say its a mutual cooperation between my employee and the company I work for. Because usually the contractor firm does a background check, interviews you and request proper documents to be sent to them before they make any decisions.

Right. I do that too. but KO is quite different. he's seeing MJ as the "real" boss rather than AEG. to me this leads credence to the fact that AEG was merely a bank shedding out cash at MJ convenience since MJ could not afford it at the time.

By the way, as it turns out Murray had his own company, according to Ivy. See below

Murray had his own company CGA Holdings and the contract includes his company and says Murray is employee of CGA
 
Yeah, I noticed that also.

It's like folks are being paid by and through the companies they either own or are associated with.

I, although, didn't realize that Karen was going through the Zilk Company. I wonder what that was all about.

As to Kenny Ortega and Murray, I wonder if going through their companies afforded them some sort of tax relief, or something else.

Big Apple independent contractors like me work through their business company. We have a contract which we sign in our own name, but we are billed through the business name. There is more deductions you can get through the business name, e.g., travel, meal, rent, cell phone, light, storage, material, loss, medical insurance, etc., etc. For me forming a corporation was required and was a prerequisite before I was paid. Plus, there are other safety nets when you have a business.
 
Glad you guys resolved the Beacon incident. It happened in New York where I live and I remember that at that time, the media was saying it was AIDS, and the doc made a press conference & stated exactly what caused the collapse. Unfortunately Lisa still believes it is drug related as she said in her last TV interview, but I digress.

Gee I wonder where Randy will be today, while his video is played?

Bubs I think the letter came after Randy realized AEG was asking probing questions during the depositions. He then wrote the letter to scare them and the estate. I think after the letter, he was still having scheduling problems with AEG.
 
yeah was having a fit because the questions were probing asking about his money and child support and who paid for his kids to live in Hayvenhurst etc etc.. He didn't want to be questioned at all. He just wanted AEG to give them money.
 
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This would be one of the reasons for the applause and I very much agree with the jurors. However, I do believe Ortega gave great testimony. He did not favor either side purposefully. He told his truth and each side can take from it what they will. Could also be that the plaintiffs have finally ended their case.



Ivy, who said this? This is a wrongful death trial and AEG is being sued because the plaintiffs believe AEG is culpable in their loved one’s passing. You yourself have often said the criminal trial was based on the doctor being a substantial factor in Michael’s passing not the absolute factor in Michael’s passing which is true. The same is happening here with AEG.

The truth is AEG should NOT have sought a relationship with the doctor. Because of the relationship, they allowed themselves to be exposed to liability which is why they are in court now. When they took on the responsibility to allegedly hire the doctor, they also took on the responsibility of vetting the doctor to ensure he would do the job he was allegedly hire to do. It was not enough to accept him because Michael referred him. There are so many risks involved with Michael’s passing (or someone else) as the worst case scenario and that is exactly where they found themselves.

With Klein, AEG gave Michael the advance. This is why I continually repeat the difference between Klein and the doctor. No one in this thread has been able to explain why - if the doctor was to be paid with an advance – the doctor had a relationship with AEG and Michael where Klein obviously did NOT have a relationship with AEG and Michael.

I will say this in defense of those who do believe Michael would not have passed if the doctor was not allegedly hired: the doctor would not be in Michael’s life. This doctor happened to be in debt and he was not going to take Michael as a charity case client. If he decided to remain with Michael pending some payment plan he and Michael decided on that was independent of AEG drafting an employment contract, that would be between the doctor and Michael and AEG would not be in court today.

However, I seriously doubt this doctor would accept the lower number of monies Michael would provide because the doctor was in debt. I truly do not see this doctor remaining with Michael without the alleged employment contract which secured a much higher number of monies.

Maybe remove Michael from the situation, remove death, simplify the situation, place ourselves inside, and a wonderful doctor instead. Perfect? Absolutely NOT; there is still a problem.

If this was anyone of us, would anyone of us want our employer to hire our personal doctor and have our doctor dependent upon our employer? Choose an ailment or be perfectly healthy. What happens when the doctor does not meet the obligations as required by our employer and now our doctor that we have depended on and feel comfortable with for whatever reason is gone solely because our employer said so? Would that not leave us at a distinct disadvantage? How is that situation not dangerous for us?




No no way. That should be my choice not Walgreens job. If i don't like the doctor i want to be the one who will let them go not my job. Good question.


This case is so clear after all is said we will come right back to the facts of this case and that is.

1 Did AEG hire Murray?
2 Was AEG negligent and responsible for the death of Michael Jackson?


AEG had control over Murray not Michael. You know you really have summary up this case in your post. In the bold parts.


Now it will be up to the jury to make a descion on this don't know which way their will go just have to wait and see.


And i agree with you the different is AEG had a relationship with Murray and Klien didn't.
 
Gee I wonder where Randy will be today, while his video is played?

Who's at bat today, aside from Randy?

I wonder if Randy's deposition will even be played today. I mean, isn't this like the 2nd or 3rd time this deposition was supposed to be played?
 
Who's at bat today, aside from Randy?

I wonder if Randy's deposition will even be played today. I mean, isn't this like the 2nd or 3rd time this deposition was supposed to be played?

Frankly I wished this trial could end already.

5 months of MJ mudslinging is a bit too much to the point the Jury had to applaud after KO testimony because his testimony had no such nonsense.
 
Who's at bat today, aside from Randy?

Jorrie back in the morning. They hope afternoon will be Randy and Dr. Adams videos. If Jorrie takes too long the video depositions might be delayed.
 
Randy will be going to India next because if he goes on some rant about how he was trying to help MJ by intervening and he crashed his gates to get MJ, the fans will have a field day and rake his lying behind over the coals on twitter.
 
Dr Adams will be interesting. I am sure he will throw Murray under the bus.
 
Pminton I saw you wrote this:

AEG had control over Murray not Michael.

Do you really think that, or is it a typo? If it is not a typo, what aspects show the control? Why didn't Michael have any control?
 
So Randy is going to call his own mother a liar? he's going to claim that MJ told his mother to write that letter right? well didn't Marlon, Tito, Jermaine and Jackie sign the letter too? if they all signed it did MJ force them too?:black_eye:
 
I wsh Randy would go away already, he is the true evil in that family, I have no doubts in my mind that he is dangerous and a sociopath his long criminal history is proof enough for me.
 
I wsh Randy would go away already, he is the true evil in that family, I have no doubts in my mind that he is dangerous and a sociopath his long criminal history is proof enough for me.

yep Randy is the reason for this lawsuit, although Katherine said she did this all on her own which we all know is a lie
 
Gee I wonder where Randy will be today, while his video is played?

Bubs I think the letter came after Randy realized AEG was asking probing questions during the depositions. He then wrote the letter to scare them and the estate. I think after the letter, he was still having scheduling problems with AEG.

Randy is biting his nails, hitting his head on the wall and then wondering why is he hitting his head on the wall:smilerolleyes:

Petrarose, I think he wanted the estate lawyers and MJ''s money behing this lawsuit.
He thinks as executors are looking after kids and KJ, they should include the whole family, you know the unity = family.
 
Randy and his partners in crime Rebbie and Janet should've kept their mouths shut, because their intervention talk is coming back to bite their mother and her lawsuit in her behind
 
Okay, who da heck is Dr. Adams and what does he bring to the table?

have you forgotten Big Apple? he was the Las Vegas anesthesiologist that put MJ under during a dental procedure. Mike wanted Dr. Adams to go on tour with him. Mike allegedly told Murray to call Dr Adams for the tour. Murray talked to him but never called him back. Also Murray threw Adams under the bus during his police interview saying that he put MJ to sleep in his office which Adams denied.
Adams claimed he also allegedly told Murray that he can't be messing with propofol because it's dangerous and you really have to know what you're doing or something like that.
 
Randy is biting his nails, hitting his head on the wall and then wondering why is he hitting his head on the wall:smilerolleyes:

Petrarose, I think he wanted the estate lawyers and MJ''s money behing this lawsuit.
He thinks as executors are looking after kids and KJ, they should include the whole family, you know the unity = family.

Randy Jackson wants the estate and AEG's money , he is that greedy . He does not believe the estate should look after the whole family , he believes the money should be spent on him , no one else not even Alejandra and his kids, remember he was upset his mother brought his kids back from Colombia he wanted to leave them there , he believes he has the right to be the EXECUTOR, the only executor , the money belongs to him not to the kids nor anyone else . The guy is not stable at all . He for sure will be AEG's star witness . The one Panish wont dare to impeach eventhough he has the necessary ammunition based on Randy's long documented history of defrauding business partners including his own brother , not to mention his lack of compassion to his own kids who were supported by MJ ALONE, the same MJ he was willing to destroy financially during the 2005 trial just to get rich .
 
I wsh Randy would go away already, he is the true evil in that family, I have no doubts in my mind that he is dangerous and a sociopath his long criminal history is proof enough for me.

What was he convicted of again?
 
What was he convicted of again?

beating his then wife Steveanna's mother.. Did Katherine keep her hand in the sand then when her son was sent to a psychiatric ward? she claims she never wanted to hear 'bad news' didn't she?
 
yep Randy is the reason for this lawsuit, although Katherine said she did this all on her own which we all know is a lie

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket. Any suggestion that there are others behind it is unfounded speculation.
 
The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket. Any suggestion that there are others behind it is unfounded speculation.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE , that's why Katherine did not know anything about pretty much everyything , not even that she attended Murray's trial . I'm sure Blanket Jackson knows more about this case than Randy , Rebbie and Jermaine . He probably can't sleep before being briefed on the latest testimonies , after all he is one of the plantiffs , right ?
 
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