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From AD's latest for CNN, full post on news section:
AEG Live lawyers argue that Jackson, not their executives, chose and controlled Dr. Conrad Murray and that they had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments he was giving Jackson in the privacy of his bedroom.
They contend the singer was so deceptive and secretive about his medical treatments and drug use that even his family did not know. To help make their case, they'll play video of Jackson's youngest brother Randy being questioned about it. His testimony is expected to be shown to jurors after Brigg's testimony is concluded Wednesday.
Jackson's oldest sister Rebbie and ex-wife Debbie Rowe are also lined up to testify in the coming days. AEG Live is compelling their testimony, hoping to get revelations about Jackson's drug use.
Tuesday marks the 59th day of testimony in the trial, which the judge said could take another six weeks in a Los Angeles courtroom.

In no doubt, Randy and his big mouth were helpful for AEG.

The first comment I read in comment section is worth of showing here:
I reckon the day shall come soon when this mans name and legacy be left alone to rest in eternal peace, darn cryin shame all this circus BS after his passing! Both sides, im disgusted with. The fatcat lawyers are in high hog heaven, no doubt. Those cretins, unfortunately, are the only winners here. Love and peace to his kids and beloved fans. Frank
 
Randy and Janet and Rebbie did their Mother no favors runing their mouths. And doing all of this talking after there Mother filed this lawsuit thinking AEG was going to settle. Makes me wonder about the other sibs like Jackie and Jermaine
 
Bubs said:
I've been wondering for longer time the direction of discussing is going on in these boards. Now CM's unethical behaviour has been diminished to minumun as it was AEG who pressurizing CM to give propofol to Mike? You made it sound like CM wouldn't have done what he did unless AEG pressurized him, and that is so wrong.
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Apparently this is not directed at me (?), but this is a pretty shocking thing to say to another MJ fan. That's taking it too far, your'e not doing yourself any favor here. You completely misunderstood the point, and & it's completely unfair, since Bonnie and others including myself have ben pointing out how AEG's defense is minimising Murray's role, they're not far from helping him actually.

Big Apple2 said:
Grace is sick and/or M.I.A.

Now Ms. Rebbie is sick.

Is it just me or are SOME folks running scared.

Reminds me how SOME folks were running from their deposition appointments.
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Contagious disease ? Any news about Randy's video ? is it OK ?
 
Tygger said:
There was no risk. If the estate could not pay, Michael's assets would most likely be sold to cover the debt.
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debt collection is never that easy in real life. You can ask that to Segye times who for decades tried to collect the $4 Million judgment which raised to $12 Million. So whenever there's a debt, there's a risk


bouee said:
AEG made that decision to go without sickness insurance
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I don't think that was a decision. I think they couldn't get full and sickness insurance because of the negative media stories (the cancer story) about Michael. Insurance company required 2 medicals before signing it. So I think insurance was a situation but not a willing one.
 
bouee said:
Apparently this is not directed at me (?), but this is a pretty shocking thing to say to another MJ fan. That's taking it too far, your'e not doing yourself any favor here. You completely misunderstood the point, and & it's completely unfair, since Bonnie and others including myself have ben pointing out how AEG's defense is minimising Murray's role, they're not far from helping him actually.
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I think you missed my point:)
The reason for my post was part of Bonnie's post that got me ticked off, but I guess you see it as ok, but in my point of view it is not ok.
"pile on the pressure onto mj, and i suspect also onto murray to get mj ready to perform."
Now do you see why I got ticked off?
You tell me if that is not hinting that AEG put so much pressure on CM that he gave in and filled MJ with propofol?

From your point of view, AEG is minimising CM part of Mike's death, but my point of view, plaintiffs and such as yourself are minimising CM role. I don't agree with anyones point of view that AEG piled pressure on MJ more than any other person out there who has to work to make a living (no matter whether it is Michael Jackson or everyday Joe, no double standards for me), and I simply don't agree that pressure made CM to throw away his ethics, that he gave away AEG's demands and filled MJ with propfol. He was a bad doctor to beginning with, and when he first gave propofol for Mike, he wasn't under pressure from AEG, but someone else. He wasn't qualified to do what he was doing but did it anyway. To me, he was and still is cold-hearted murderer, not AEG.
 
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I don't know if I didn't understand this or I'm confused.

If Randy's vid depo is going to be shown, does it mean the attys won't have the opportunity to ask him new questions in front of the jurors?

Also if he testifies thru video, would an AEG rep be present where the vid is taken?

Hope Randy has the courage to go to court and answer the questions after all, didn't he say he wanted to get to the bottom of this? It's his time for him to act on his words.
 
ivy said:
I don't think that was a decision. I think they couldn't get full and sickness insurance because of the negative media stories (the cancer story) about Michael. Insurance company required 2 medicals before signing it. So I think insurance was a situation but not a willing one.
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I'm getting confused all the insurance talk? How many insurances there were supposed to be for TII?
Whats this insurance is about:
In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates. In a video news conference earlier this month, Phillips acknowledged that the company has only been able to insure 23 of the 50 "This Is It" performances."In this business, if you don't take risks, you don't achieve greatness," Phillips said.
 
It's AEG lawyers who deposed him . Apparently they are satisfied with what they got , I don't believe Katherine 's lawyers ; hired by Randy will call him to the stand subject to impeachment by AEG .

I'm sure Prince will be paying close attention to what his criminal uncle will say about his dad , would not expect anything from that leech but slander . He does not care about Prince or anyone else he believes he is going to get the inheritance MJ denied him with a big **** you to both Mike and his kids. Randy in my eyes no better than Jordan and Gavin when he did not get what he wanted he did not hesitate to lunch a smear campaign .
 
so is Randy going to say that MJ was secretive or is he going to say he knew he had a problem and tried an intervention? If MJ hid his medical issues and was secretive how did his family know to stage interventions??
 
Soundmind said:
It's AEG lawyers who deposed him . Apparently they are satisfied with what they got , I don't believe Katherine 's lawyers ; hired by Randy will call him to the stand subject to impeachment by AEG .

I'm sure Prince will be paying close attention to what his criminal uncle will say about his dad , would not expect anything from that leech but slander . He does not care about Prince or anyone else he believes he is going to get the inheritance MJ denied him with a big **** you to both Mike and his kids. Randy in my eyes no better than Jordan and Gavin when he did not get what he wanted he did not hesitate to lunch a smear campaign .
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Yep! he should say in all of my 12 years with my father I never saw 'uncle randy' visit my Dad or even stop by to meet us. If he didn't stop by how the hell does he know what was going on with my father?
 
Aquarius said:
I don't know if I didn't understand this or I'm confused.

If Randy's vid depo is going to be shown, does it mean the attys won't have the opportunity to ask him new questions in front of the jurors?

Also if he testifies thru video, would an AEG rep be present where the vid is taken?

Hope Randy has the courage to go to court and answer the questions after all, didn't he say he wanted to get to the bottom of this? It's his time for him to act on his words.
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Depositions happen when parties question the witnesses before trial. such depositions are recorded by video as well as it is transcribed. During trial you have two options : either to call a witness to the stand and question them live or you can play the portions of a deposition video.

so deposition video means something previously recorded, yes lawyers - especially lawyers from AEG - would be there and doing the questioning. To appear whether on video or live is the choice of lawyers - unless they can't get the person to show up and they play the video. Given that there was nothing said about Randy being sick, refusing to testify, can't serve him etc, I would say that it is AEG's choice to play his video and not call him live.

Bubs said:
I'm getting confused all the insurance talk? How many insurances there were supposed to be for TII?
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There was one insurance by LLoyds of London covering a lower than 50 number of concerts and in the amount of $17.5 Million. AEG wasn't able to secure the full production cost amount and as the media was writing cancer stories about Michael (plus Halperin book), insurers required 2 medical examinations. After the first one done in February by Dr. Slavit, they issued an insurance policy that covered "accident only". If Michael passed the 2nd a lot more extensive medical on July 6 at London, they would have covered for illness as well.

When I read bouee's post it read AEG didn't try to get an insurance and my point was they did try to insure the full amount that covered illness but the insurance company was asking for medical exams. So I don't think insurance was something that AEG's fault. IF they could they would have insured the full amount for everything but they simply couldn't.
 
Justthefacts said:
I think there is too much of a chance Randy will change his story
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that's probably why they want the video and not him in person, considering he's a little cray cray, he might go off or say something off the wall in person
 
Michael's album sales decreases just like everyone else's.. There is not one star out there still selling what they sold 20 years ago.. Look Madonna's latest MDNA.. It didn't even go platinum in the US selling only around 550 k total after the superbowl and a hyped single with Nicki Minaj.
 
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I will not warn you again about calling people an idiot. he's an paid expert who is being paid for his opinion so no surprises there. this is not LSA. such posts will be deleted without notice.
 
jaydom7 said:
Michael's album sales decreases just like everyone else's.. There is not one star out there still selling what they sold 20 years ago.. Look Madonna's latest MDNA.. It didn't even go platinum in the US selling only around 550 k total after the superbowl and a hyped single with Nicki Minaj.
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Griggs is doing for AEG what Erk did for plaintiffs.
Plaintiff's expert says MJ would have worked untill he was 65 doing movies, concerts earning billions.
AEG expert says he would have stopped after 02, doubting whether MJ was even able to finish those 50 dates, and then goes on saying he would have not sold music or movie or this or that.
The truth is, both of them is talking nonsense.
 
Experts should be obvious. They are being PAID hundreds of dollars an hour of their opinions. Obviously they won't be selected and paid if they weren't saying stuff to the benefit of the party that hired them. It's also obvious that the experts are at times exaggerating to the benefit of the party that is paying them. Briggs saying Michael doing 50 TII show is speculative is as hilarious as Erk claiming Michael would net $900 Million from tour when the highest grossing tour is $700 million.
 
Debbie is not going to testify this week?

BY NANCY DILLON / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

TUESDAY, JULY 30, 2013, 1:29 AM

Debbie Rowe won't be called to testify this week but remains a probable witness in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial unfolding in Los Angeles, a defense lawyer said Monday.

AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam said Rowe, the King of Pop's ex-wife and the birth mother of his oldest son and daughter, "probably" will be called to testify but not until other witnesses including Michael's oldest sibling Rebbie Jackson take the stand.

Jurors also are expected to hear videotaped deposition testimony from Michael's youngest brother Randy Jackson, he said.

Putnam said during his opening statement in April that Rowe had intimate knowledge of the superstar's lengthy use of the surgery-strength anesthetic that ultimately killed him.

He told jurors that Rowe would testify about Michael using propofol as a sleep aid as far back as the 1990s.

"(She) will tell you she saw several doctors put Mr. Jackson to sleep with propofol overnight in hotel rooms (while touring)," he said. "Ms. Rowe knew this was incredibly dangerous. …She would always insist on being there when he got propofol overnight."

He said Rowe "doesn't know the names of all the doctors" who gave the anesthetic but would name the ones she could.

Rowe undoubtedly would be a complicated witness. She used to work for Michael's dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein and reportedly has blamed her former employer for having a hand in the "Thriller" singer's death.

But her testimony about Michael's propofol use could harm the case that her kids Paris and Prince have brought along with their grandmother Katherine and younger brother Blanket against AEG.

Rowe has grown extremely close to Paris since the 15-year-old's failed suicide attempt June 5, sources told the Daily News.
 
ivy;3878342 said:
Experts should be obvious. They are being PAID hundreds of dollars an hour of their opinions. Obviously they won't be selected and paid if they weren't saying stuff to the benefit of the party that hired them. It's also obvious that the experts are at times exaggerating to the benefit of the party that is paying them. Briggs saying Michael doing 50 TII show is speculative is as hilarious as Erk claiming Michael would net $900 Million from tour when the highest grossing tour is $700 million.
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They are obvious.
This bit is funny:
Court broke for the day, and there were brief arguments by plaintiff’s attorney Brian Panish about Briggs’ billing records.
Panish wants detailed records of the work Briggs has done on the AEG case and said the expert’s firm has been paid $600-$700k so far.
Panish said he also wants to know what other work Briggs has done for AEG Live so he can address his “bias” on cross-examination.

Panish saying that Briggs was biased when he testified, but too funny he didn't see anythiing biased about their own expert witness.
 
"(She) will tell you she saw several doctors put Mr. Jackson to sleep with propofol overnight in hotel rooms (while touring)," he said. "Ms. Rowe knew this was incredibly dangerous. …She would always insist on being there when he got propofol overnight."
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the addiction expert who testified for the plaintiffs said that he reviewed all the medical records including Debbie's deposition , she did not know what was the drug used . That reply caught my intention immediately because Putanm said she would testify she was aware about propofol .

I'll post the expert reply
 
I have a question. There was a portion of Rebbie's deposition released where she said Michaeltold her he had a doctor and they were working on his problem she said she didnot believe Michael. Was Michael talkingabout the doctor who gave him the implant?
 
Justthefacts said:
I have a question. There was a portion of Rebbie's deposition released where she said Michaeltold her he had a doctor and they were working on his problem she said she didnot believe Michael. Was Michael talkingabout the doctor who gave him the implant?
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Wouldn't this doctor who gave implant suit the timeline Oct 2002?
 
Koskoff showed a timeline and asked if there was any record MJ received Propofol during the Dangerous tour in 1994. Dr. Schnoll testified Debbie Rowe said yes, but she wasn't sure if it was Propofol or Fentanyl. He didn't think Rowe was a licensed nurse. Koskoff: What kind of specialist was on that tour for Michael? Dr. Schnoll: He was anesthesiologist. Between 1994 and 1996, Dr. Schnoll saw no evidence of any use of Propofol by MJ under any circumstance. The drug was used for dental procedures and cosmetic treatment, Dr. Schnoll said, adding it was appropriate for that. Dr. Murray used Propofol for sleep, which Dr. Schnoll said was inappropriate. "Plus, he was not an anesthetic or an anesthesiologist." Koskoff asked if there was any evidence MJ was addicted or dependent of Propofol up until Dr. Murray. Dr. Schnoll said no. Dr. Schnoll said Propofol is not appropriate to treat insomnia, even if MJ suggested it. (ABC7)
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she is talking about History tour not Dangerous , there was no tour in 1994 .
 
Justthefacts said:
I have a question. There was a portion of Rebbie's deposition released where she said Michaeltold her he had a doctor and they were working on his problem she said she didnot believe Michael. Was Michael talkingabout the doctor who gave him the implant?
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Yes, I read that , refutes everything Katherine claimed . She did not believe him , well he was telling the truth . Can't stand fake people
 
They certainly were very supportive towards MJ, just what doctors ordered.

OPRAH WINFREY (HOST): Mm-hmm. Had you ever spoken to him about his addiction? KATHERINE JACKSON: I spoke to him about them once when I had heard it, and he denied it. OPRAH WINFREY (HOST): And he denied it to you.
KATHERINE JACKSON: Mm-hmm. I was telling him I didn't want to hear one day that he had overdosed, because it would break my heart. It would kill me, too. But he kept saying he wasn't. Wasn't on it. He'd say, "Mother, you don't believe me." He kept saying that "My own mother don't believe me." He kept saying that. But I had heard, too, they'd be in denial when they'd tell you that. But...
OPRAH WINFREY (HOST): Was there a part of you that wanted to believe him but you knew? KATHERINE JACKSON: Well, part of me that wanted to believe him but I didn't believe him. OPRAH WINFREY (HOST): You didn't believe him.
KATHERINE JACKSON: No, I didn't.

I wonder if this was the occasition that MJ felt that he needed to show his implant to his mother in order her to believe him?
 
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