Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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I don't think so. Didn't she say the biggest entertainer of all time wouldn't be in such control /dependence?

The judge 'didn't disagree' that mj was the greatest entertainer in the world but she didn't deny that mj was under financial pressure from aeg, that seems irrefutable from what we know. Her view as a judge was that financial pressure is insufficient to create the narrow and limited class of 'special relationship', other factors are needed.

She wrote, "So, given Decedent's status and experience, exerting strong financial pressure is insufficient alone to create undue risk of harm."
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Prince said that he saw AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips at the family's rented mansion in a heated conversation with his father's doctor in days before his father's death. The teenager said he wasn't sure what day the conversation occurred, but that he saw Phillips grabbing former cardiologist Conrad Murray's elbow..

I'm believing Prince saw something, but I think Conrad Murray who towers over Phillips and who didn't mince words in putting Ortega in his place, would swat Phillips like a fly if he really got physically threatening with him.
 
So are they denieing murray and philips were at carolwood at all or that the meeting never happened the way jr said it did. surely security logs other witnesses will confirm if they were there together.

talk about exploiting jr and playing all those clips at the begining.anything goes with this judge. has she ruled on how any winnings get split yet. as aeg wanted the kids and kj paid seperatly.
 
I'm believing Prince saw something, but I think Conrad Murray who towers over Phillips and who didn't mince words in putting Ortega in his place, would swat Phillips like a fly if he really got physically threatening with him.
Ortega like him just the employee, but Philips is the boss who control the money string. I only trust Prince words.
 
I'm believing Prince saw something, but I think Conrad Murray who towers over Phillips and who didn't mince words in putting Ortega in his place, would swat Phillips like a fly if he really got physically threatening with him.

^ In which case i'm sure phillips would give him a playful slap on the butt. Anyway, I'm not sure murray would tend to swat like a fly the head honcho of the company paying him over $1m, esp with the contract awaiting an aeg signature - even if aeg were just performing a 'mastercard' service. Murray wd have worked out the power relationships in the tii set up.
 
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Im surprised they didnt put jr on the stand yesterday for more effect
 
You're right, i remember the 'special relationship' claim was thrown out as it had very high specific requirements to warrant a civil lawsuit, but the judge did concede there was financial dependence here.

I know theoretically to outsiders mj had the option of walking away, either before tii negotiations began or in june 09, but i don't believe he felt he had the option. Bankruptcy, as that is what it would result in, is an option for most of us, but i feel for someone proud like mj who had already been subject to constant humiliations and whose bankruptcy wd receive front page news across teh globe with much gloating, it wd be unbearable for him. The selling of his catalogue, another way out, is another issue that an objective outsider cd see as an option for mj as a way out of his financial troubles, but for various reasons this was something that mj felt unable to do maybe out of pride, stubborness, a feeling of paranoia that his ownership of the catalogue lay behind his career setbacks and he resolutely refused to give it up. I just feel mj can't be seen like ordinary civilians, he had very unique pressures - but perfectly rightly as we're all equal before the law the judge didn't agree to this partic claim.


Tom Barrack saw this about Michael Jackson, when he stepped forward and paid the note on "Neverland." It would have been horrible for Michael Jackson to lose "Neverland," and that's why Michael Jackson choose to go back to work and shore up his finances. Michael Jackson still had the star power to bring in the money because the fans still believe in him, supported him and loved him. Merchandise sold at the 50 Shows at the 02 Arena in London, was also going to help out Michael Jackson financially.

It's sad to think that Conrad Murray did not keep medical records about his Propofol treatment of Michael Jackson. Michael was losing weight and that should have been factored in when prescribing how much lidocaine and Propofol to administer. This was a treatment and Conrad Murray was out of his league!
 
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Thank God, Katherine and her lawyer didn't get their wish and this trial had been televised.
 
I don't find it appropriate that Phillips is meeting Murray at Michael's home when Michael wasn't there. Michael didn't own the home but it was still home where he stayed with his children. Then Prince phones Michael to tell him. I don't like it sorry.
 
I'm believing Prince saw something, but I think Conrad Murray who towers over Phillips and who didn't mince words in putting Ortega in his place, would swat Phillips like a fly if he really got physically threatening with him.

I agree--I think Murray is an imposing man physically and had the upper hand there. I don't feel comfortable about Phillips arranging a meeting with Murray at Michael's house without Michael being there, but it fits Randy's style/temperament that he would meet with Murray. They could have been discussing the contract for all we know.
 
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I don't find it appropriate that Phillips is meeting Murray at Michael's home when Michael wasn't there. Michael didn't own the home but it was still home where he stayed with his children. Then Prince phones Michael to tell him. I don't like it sorry.

I agree it's inappropriate, but not entirely out of character for Phillips, who testified he was very anxious around this time about MJ's ability to perform. It's too bad we don't know what was said.
 
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I feel bad for the kids because they loved Michael so much and he loved them and no matter what happens in this trial the loss they feel will always be with them.
 
ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 24 Jun Dr. Matheson: "I think in this case the conflict of interest led to poor medical decisions."


I don't understand how the so-called "conflict of interest" changed anything that Murray was doing. He was brought on by Michael to administer propofol so he could sleep and he kept administering propofol. What changed?

The "poor medical decision" was administering the propofol in the first place in a non-hospital setting and then doing it without monitoring or proper resuscitation equipment. Oh, and staying on the phone with his baby mama for 45 minutes while Michael went into cardiac arrest. How did any "conflict of interest" with AEG impact that?
 
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^ In which case i'm sure phillips would give him a playful slap on the butt. Anyway, I'm not sure murray would tend to swat like a fly the head honcho of the company paying him over $1m, esp with the contract awaiting an aeg signature - even if aeg were just performing a 'mastercard' service. Murray wd have worked out the power relationships in the tii set up.

Hey, it's a nice image. Murray popping Phillips on top of his head...may not be realistic, but gave me a giggle.
 
ivy;3855183 said:
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m Prince and his little sister Paris Jackson.


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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m Picture shown to the jury of MJ and Prince trying to play the piano.


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loveforever;3854957 said:
Can you imagine the pressures Michael had to deal with? the broken heart and wounded soul from the allegations, the nonstop lawsuits from leeches, the bully and attack from media, the vicious lies from tabloids, the ignorance and prejudice from the public, the family's pressure of reunion tour, the two faced fake friends, the shady manager Thome Thome, the big shark AEG.....
passy001;3854964 said:
You also forgot to mention the pressure from fans. I remember very well some fans in this forum and others accusing MJ of being lazy and washed up and so on.
ivy;3854892 said:
JACKSON'S SON SAYS FATHER FEARED CONCERT PROMOTER
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FILE - In this Oct. 8, 2011 file photo, Prince Michael Jackson appears on stage at the Michael Forever the Tribute Concert, at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. An attorney for Michael Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, says the singer’s eldest son, Prince, will testify in a Los Angeles courtroom in the negligent hiring case against AEG Live LLC on Wednesday, June 26, 2013. Prince, 16, is a plaintiff in the case against concert promoter AEG Live. (AP Photo/Joel Ryan, File) *Editorial Use Only*


FILE - In this Oct. 8, 2011 file photo, Prince Michael Jackson appears on stage at the Michael Forever the Tribute Concert, at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. An attorney for Michael Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, says the singer’s eldest son, Prince, will testify in a Los Angeles courtroom in the negligent hiring case against AEG Live LLC on Wednesday, June 26, 2013. Prince, 16, is a plaintiff in the case against concert promoter AEG Live. (AP Photo/Joel Ryan, File) *Editorial Use Only*
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson's eldest son testified Wednesday that his father was excited about going back on tour before his death but wasn't happy about the terms of the ill-fated shows.

Prince Jackson told jurors his father wanted more time to rehearse and had several tense phone conversations with promoters of his "This Is It" shows that sometimes ended with his father in tears.

The 16-year-old said his father remarked after one of the conversations, "'They're going to kill me,'" Prince testified. He did not elaborate.

The lawsuit claims AEG negligently hired the doctor who was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.

AEG denies it hired the physician or bears any responsibility for the entertainer's death.

The testimony by Prince Jackson began with the teenager showing jurors roughly 15 minutes of private family photos and home videos.

He described growing up on Neverland Ranch and showed the panel videos of the property's petting zoos and other amenities. After his father's acquittal of child molestation charges, Prince described living in the Middle East, Ireland and Las Vegas.

He told the jury that his father was always working, but his children had no idea he was a global superstar.

"We always listened to his music, but we never knew how famous he was," Prince said.

He said he and his sister Paris watched a video of one of their father's performances and got a sense of his fame when overwhelmed fans were carried from his shows on stretchers.

Prince is the first Jackson family member to testify during the trial, now in its ninth week. Attorneys have said TJ Jackson, who serves a co-guardian to Prince and his siblings, and Taj Jackson, are also expected to take the witness stand. They are the sons of Tito Jackson.

Prince Jackson, his sister Paris and brother Blanket are plaintiffs in the case against AEG, which their grandmother and primary caretaker filed in August 2010.

In court, Prince wore a black suit with a dark grey tie with his long brown hair tucked behind his ears. He spoke softly as he began testifying, and the first exhibit shown to jurors was a photo taken with their grandmother on his and Paris' first day of school.

He described his school life, including taking a summer course in U.S. history, participating on the school's robotics team and volunteer work.

Another image shown to jurors was Michael Jackson playing piano with his son while Prince was still an infant or toddler.

Plaintiff's attorney Brian Panish asked Prince whether he was interested in pursuing a career in music.

"I can never play an instrument and I definitely cannot sing," Prince said to laughter from the jury.

He said he wanted to study film or business when he goes to college.

Prince said he helped attorneys pick out the videos and photos shown in court.

Michael Jackson sheltered his children from the public eye while he was alive, often obscuring their faces while out in public. The children have been more public in recent years, appearing at a star-studded memorial service and other events honoring their father.

Paris, 15, had also been expected to testify during the case but was hospitalized last month and her status as a witness remained unclear. Attorneys for AEG played a snippet of her videotaped deposition last week, and more of her testimony may be played for the jury later in the trial.

Blanket, 11, is not expected to testify.

The jury of six men and six women has learned numerous details about Jackson's role as a father during the case. They've heard about a secret trip to a movie weeks before Michael Jackson's death, a private circus he hired for Paris' 11th birthday, and Blanket's interest in his father's dance rehearsals.

The trial is expected to last several more weeks.
ivy;3854881 said:
PRINCE JACKSON
TELLS JURY AEG MADE MJ CRY
BREAKING NEWS
Prince Jackson -- Michael Jackson's eldest son -- told jurors today in the wrongful death case, he was afraid of AEG and MJ even cried during contentious phone calls with the company.

Prince testified his dad was amped over the "This is It" tour but felt he needed more time to rehearse. Apparently, AEG and MJ got into it during phone conversations and the calls made Michael break down in tears.

The point of the testimony -- lawyers for the Jackson family are trying to prove AEG pushed Michael mercilessly and that, combined with Conrad Murray's bad medicine, cost MJ his life.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/26/princ...ongful-death-lawsuit-testimony/#ixzz2XLa9z2mp
ivy;3854835 said:
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Several MJ fans started crying as they watched Prince Jackson walk from the elevator into the court.
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Virre;3854987 said:
He had said earlier that Michael used to lock the door while being on Skype and meditating with someone abroad.

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LastTear;3855122 said:
Its odd that Phillips would meet Murray at carolwood, or is that just me?
Tygger;3855136 said:
Another meeting happened with Phillips, the doctor and Tohme and Michael was not home.
marebear;3855171 said:
I don't find it appropriate that Phillips is meeting Murray at Michael's home when Michael wasn't there. Michael didn't own the home but it was still home where he stayed with his children. Then Prince phones Michael to tell him. I don't like it sorry.

Michael was not home and they (Murray and Phillips) were there alone.... very strange. :blink:
 
I feel bad for the kids because they loved Michael so much and he loved them and no matter what happens in this trial the loss they feel will always be with them.

So true. And, nothing will bring him back or make the pain go away for them. I thought Prince did such a good job today and his observations of his siblings was so mature:

ABC7 Court News ? Prince: Blanket was so young, my brother is still growing up like I am, he doesn't have a dad to tell him what's right and wrong

Prince: I think out of my siblings she (Paris) was hit the hardest, she was my dad'd little princess. She's dealing with it in her own way
 
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about calling prince back to stand during defense - it's normal. I would assume they would first introduce evidence in the record by testimony of other people and so on, and later call Prince back to ask about it

Yep, but if Prince said he was not sure, this statement will be strange.

everyone can make a mistake. remembering 4 years ago is not easy. for example he might have called his father on the 24th on another matter and then can mix up the phone calls. it happens. it's normal.

the best memory would be an immediate interview, but the police detective might not have asked about these events.
 
I thought he did a great job under the circumstances. I really respect how he carries himself and Michael would be proud. I am glad that people can hear again what a great dad Michael was. I have noticed more articles about that.
 
ABC7 Court News ? "I don't think Dr. Murray wanted to take the money from my dad, he felt bad," Prince said.

"Me & my sister would do it," he remembers a couple of times. Prince said in depo it was about 10 times, but Murray would not always take it

Prince said MJ started giving Prince and Paris money to give to Dr. Murray while they were living in Las Vegas.
 
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