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NEW SONG - Akon feat. Michael Jackson "Hold my hand" [updates in post #1]

vncwilliam said:
well that's no different from saying conspiracy.

why is it that MJ music is 'conveniently' held up all the time? why shouldn't i believe that if something else is dropped along with it from akon's album, that it's just a red herring to conceal the obvious? it don't make sense that only MJ isn't heard. and everybody else is heard ad nauseum.

i feel like MJ saw into his own future, and bought up publishing for that reason. it's no more a wild speculation than anything else..

i just think that 'litigation' is a politically correct term for conspiracy.

and, with all the stuff that happened against MJ in the recent past, that none of you..nor me could possibly believe would happen if it didn't happen..stuff that even Hollywood could never dream up....it's easy for me to believe this.
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Why does everything Michael have to be a conspiracy of some sort? If there was a conspiracy, you'd think it'll be revealed by now. :lol: Remember what Raymone posted two years ago?

I mean if you're gonna do a project with somebody and somehow it can't get released, then usually to me it seems like you're not too sure of the project that you create. It's very confusing because if he has got issues to resolve, you wouldn't agree to do anything with anybody. You'd wanna settle that first before going back into your career so I don't buy that logic anymore than MJ saying he's gonna put the record out "sooner than you think", lol.

Is it perfectionism, lawsuits or a conspiracy?

LOL!
 
troubleman84 said:
Why does everything Michael have to be a conspiracy of some sort? If there was a conspiracy, you'd think it'll be revealed by now. :lol: Remember what Raymone posted two years ago?

I mean if you're gonna do a project with somebody and somehow it can't get released, then usually to me it seems like you're not too sure of the project that you create. It's very confusing because if he has got issues to resolve, you wouldn't agree to do anything with anybody. You'd wanna settle that first before going back into your career so I don't buy that logic anymore than MJ saying he's gonna put the record out "sooner than you think", lol.

Is it perfectionism, lawsuits or a conspiracy?

LOL!
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well..something is weird, cus all these artists associated with MJ are being heard on the radio with each other..sometimes two, three four songs at a time. u never hear from MJ..only from everybody else that he may be working with somebody. all we know about hmh is that it was leaked. and he performed it with Akon. how do we know that MJ was ready to do something with somebody..and then SOMETHING came up AFTER he was finished working with that artist? i mean..when 'one more chance' was finished..and completed..and past the point of MJ's perfectionism..only THEN did something come up to try and sabotage it. that's where i'm coming from.

the definition of 'perfectionism' doesn't stop people from disagreeing on the quality of MJ songs, even after they are released or leaked. now..i'm not talking about MJ's upcoming album. i'm talking about all this stuff that has been shelved, leaked, etc., up to now. i mean...what more can i give had an entire video featuring everybody and his and her mother. how more perfect can that get? and what about xscape? what song is better than that? and i do like no friend of mine....there's nothing wrong with that one either. i've heard them all..but not on the radio.
 
I am pissed off, desperate and confused.

I really don't know what to think anymore.

It's starting to get irritating. Couldn't they just SAY the truth for once? The song WILL be on the album, the song WON'T be on the album. New MJ album IS coming up, new MJ album is NOT coming up.

I mean, we get confirmations and Akon even said it on MTV NEWS that he is making the video for the song with Michael ?!

So what now, it all just falls down???

I was a big believer but after this, I am really doubtful about everything. I don't believe anything anymore. I am not losing faith,but putting it on standby.

Oh and if this is all just some big joke by some wise-ass dying to mock Michael by not including Hold My Hand on the album, then I hope he gets fried in a pan!
 
vncwilliam said:
well that's no different from saying conspiracy.

why is it that MJ music is 'conveniently' held up all the time? why shouldn't i believe that if something else is dropped along with it from akon's album, that it's just a red herring to conceal the obvious? it don't make sense that only MJ isn't heard. and everybody else is heard ad nauseum.

i feel like MJ saw into his own future, and bought up publishing for that reason. it's no more a wild speculation than anything else..

i just think that 'litigation' is a politically correct term for conspiracy.

and, with all the stuff that happened against MJ in the recent past, that none of you..nor me could possibly believe would happen if it didn't happen..stuff that even Hollywood could never dream up....it's easy for me to believe this.
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I don't get how you equate possible litigation for conspiracy. It's no secret that MJ is being sued by the Prince of Bahain for breach of contract. If MJ is contracturally tied to 2Seas Records, then it would explain a lot as to why that song is not on Akon's CD. 2Seas would have the release rights for Jackson to appear as a guest on that CD and if they are tied up in litigation, they simply will not give it. Further, if Akon's label use MJ without their consent, they would also sue Akon's label as well.

No conspiracy there.
 
dangerous_88 said:
I am pissed off, desperate and confused.

I really don't know what to think anymore.

It's starting to get irritating. Couldn't they just SAY the truth for once? The song WILL be on the album, the song WON'T be on the album. New MJ album IS coming up, new MJ album is NOT coming up.

I mean, we get confirmations and Akon even said it on MTV NEWS that he is making the video for the song with Michael ?!

So what now, it all just falls down???

I was a big believer but after this, I am really doubtful about everything. I don't believe anything anymore. I am not losing faith,but putting it on standby.

Oh and if this is all just some big joke by some wise-ass dying to mock Michael by not including Hold My Hand on the album, then I hope he gets fried in a pan!
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i hope they get fried too. i think there are some serious MJ mockers in high places.

i mean..what kind of medication does someone have to be on, to not notice that an overwhelming number of people love MJ's recently heard leaks..and shelved songs? an overwhelming number of MJ fans. sure..there are people who don't like some of em..but the number of people who love em is overwhelming. and if we are talking about people not liking a song enough for it to be a success..well...all the stuff i heard about tpain music..akon music....and such is so hateful, that it shouldn't even have sniffed the radio if we're going by that logic.
 
vncwilliam said:
well..something is weird, cus all these artists associated with MJ are being heard on the radio with each other..sometimes two, three four songs at a time. u never hear from MJ..only from everybody else that he may be working with somebody. all we know about hmh is that it was leaked. and he performed it with Akon. how do we know that MJ was ready to do something with somebody..and then SOMETHING came up AFTER he was finished working with that artist? i mean..when 'one more chance' was finished..and completed..and past the point of MJ's perfectionism..only THEN did something come up to try and sabotage it. that's where i'm coming from.

the definition of 'perfectionism' doesn't stop people from disagreeing on the quality of MJ songs, even after they are released or leaked. now..i'm not talking about MJ's upcoming album. i'm talking about all this stuff that has been shelved, leaked, etc., up to now. i mean...what more can i give had an entire video featuring everybody and his and her mother. how more perfect can that get? and what about xscape? what song is better than that? and i do like no friend of mine....there's nothing wrong with that one either. i've heard them all..but not on the radio.
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Well, it's no question that these peeps are excited to have worked with MJ and anyone known to the press as having recent contact with MJ becomes a news item. They gonna ask about him and the artist is going to talk about him. That is why you get all of these comments from Akon, NeYo, Rodney Jerkins, Will.I.AM, and others who have worked with the man because the media is trying to get an angle on what MJ is working on.
 
dangerous_88 said:
I am pissed off, desperate and confused.

I really don't know what to think anymore.

It's starting to get irritating. Couldn't they just SAY the truth for once? The song WILL be on the album, the song WON'T be on the album. New MJ album IS coming up, new MJ album is NOT coming up.

I mean, we get confirmations and Akon even said it on MTV NEWS that he is making the video for the song with Michael ?!

So what now, it all just falls down???

I was a big believer but after this, I am really doubtful about everything. I don't believe anything anymore. I am not losing faith,but putting it on standby.

Oh and if this is all just some big joke by some wise-ass dying to mock Michael by not including Hold My Hand on the album, then I hope he gets fried in a pan!
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I would bet some bucks that this has to do with some legal matter that is not cleared up. Of course MJ is not going to say, 'Hey fans! I did this great duet with Akon, but it's in limbo because of litigation I'm experiencing'...

Naw. I don't think so.
 
mello1 said:
I don't get how you equate possible litigation for conspiracy. It's no secret that MJ is being sued by the Prince of Bahain for breach of contract. If MJ is contracturally tied to 2Seas Records, then it would explain a lot as to why that song is not on Akon's CD. 2Seas would have the release rights for Jackson to appear as a guest on that CD and if they are tied up in litigation, they simply will not give it. Further, if Akon's label use MJ without their consent, they would also sue Akon's label as well.

No conspiracy there.
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as you say...you use the word possible..so i guess we are both speculating about the real reason for whatever is going on. neither possibitlity is beyond belief, but neither your full story or my belief has been confirmed. you are saying that IF MJ is tied to 2 seas records..

so...what hat have i to throw into the ring? that MIchael himself mentioned the idea of an american conspiracy.
 
Has it really become this?

Bad music equals successful music?

and

Good music equals unexpected music?

I am fucking sick some stupid kids over the internet calling me an idiot for loving the most talented man ever to hit the planet and for hating those goddamn Jonas Brothers, T-Pain, Paris Hilton and other idiots!!!
 
vncwilliam said:
as you say...you use the word possible..so i guess we are both speculating about the real reason for whatever is going on. neither possibitlity is beyond belief, but neither your full story or my belief has been confirmed. you are saying that IF MJ is tied to 2 seas records..
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I think the point that I'm making here is that there is some legitimate reason why the song is not being heard and people being frustrated by this is not going to make those reasons go away. It has to be worked out.

Oh and I'm saying if Michael Jackson has signed a contract with that Prince to be on his label. It's not a secret that he forged a partnership with the man -- they had an official press release on it and the Prince confirmed with the London Times that he is suing MJ.
 
dangerous_88 said:
Has it really become this?

Bad music equals successful music?

and

Good music equals unexpected music?

I am fucking sick some stupid kids over the internet calling me an idiot for loving the most talented man ever to hit the planet and for hating those goddamn Jonas Brothers, T-Pain, Paris Hilton and other idiots!!!
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Don't feel bad. One day, if they have brain cells, they'll realize they wasted their youth idolizing people who can't do anything they couldn't.
 
dangerous_88 said:
ok....HOW?!??!?!?!?!


So you prefer "potatostuckinthroat" singing than falsetto and stuff?

(not a fan of Justin ,but DEFINITELY not a fan of Akon either)
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i prefer so so voice to irritating falsetto.
I've always liked Akon's songs before he works with MJ anyway.
 
mello1 said:
I think the point that I'm making here is that there is some legitimate reason why the song is not being heard and people being frustrated by this is not going to make those reasons go away. It has to be worked out.

Oh and I'm saying if Michael Jackson has signed a contract with that Prince to be on his label. It's not a secret that he forged a partnership with the man -- they had an official press release on it and the Prince confirmed with the London Times that he is suing MJ.
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Exactumundo. Michael and 'em made this big thing that Michael was gonna do well with 2Seas and he was gonna make it famous, then the next thing you know Mike like "f*ck this" and bounced back to America and it wasn't just for James Brown's funeral either.
 
ilovemjj4ever said:
i prefer so so voice to irritating falsetto.
I've always liked Akon's songs before he works with MJ anyway.
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That's just it. People like someone because of their association with MJ. I know MJ has worked with people I've liked and people I don't like doesn't mean that I should be always appreciative of that person.

Believe me if he had said some ridiculous comments to MJ and was not working with Michael, the same people saying they love Akon now will be dissing him on this forum, don't trip. Remember when there were rumors that Akon was punking MJ on a radio station or his friends were punking him? Or something like that? Half the people in here were mad as hell at Akon until Akon said that he didn't do anything or had anything associated with that whole mess.
 
dangerous_88 said:
I am pissed off, desperate and confused.

I really don't know what to think anymore.

It's starting to get irritating. Couldn't they just SAY the truth for once? The song WILL be on the album, the song WON'T be on the album. New MJ album IS coming up, new MJ album is NOT coming up.

I mean, we get confirmations and Akon even said it on MTV NEWS that he is making the video for the song with Michael ?!

So what now, it all just falls down???

I was a big believer but after this, I am really doubtful about everything. I don't believe anything anymore. I am not losing faith,but putting it on standby.

Oh and if this is all just some big joke by some wise-ass dying to mock Michael by not including Hold My Hand on the album, then I hope he gets fried in a pan!
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I feel your pain but it really ain't that serious but I do understand how that can be a burden. You believe something for so long and then all of a sudden they change their mind? But see, this is what has happened with Michael Jackson in the last thirteen years, really. Nothing ever gets solved, you only ask more questions.
 
mello1 said:
I think the point that I'm making here is that there is some legitimate reason why the song is not being heard and people being frustrated by this is not going to make those reasons go away. It has to be worked out.

Oh and I'm saying if Michael Jackson has signed a contract with that Prince to be on his label. It's not a secret that he forged a partnership with the man -- they had an official press release on it and the Prince confirmed with the London Times that he is suing MJ.
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ok...forged a partnership vs. signed a contract. i'm not going to bother with commenting on that one for now..

but what say ye..on Michael mentioning the word 'conspiracy', in a Jesse Jackson radio interview?
 
Michael always saying conspiracy. :smilerolleyes:

Remember when he said "my album is number-one all over the world except for America, it's a conspiracy..."

News flash, Mike, "Number Ones" was only number-one in England. :tease:

TRY IT AGAIN! :lol:

I'll believe there's a conspiracy when there's really a threat to get Michael's sh*t but he has friends in high places looking out for him.

He'll be alright. Just get the Prince off your back.
 
lol..u sure it's number 1's he was talking about..or...Invincible?

and..i have never seen an album of his that was number 1 in only one country. this, bro..is what gets me.

MJ's word is considered illegit..and the prince, and everybody else's is considered..'legit.'.

and..2002? people have been after him in a big way since 1993. conspiracies can last.:)

and furthermore...these idiots that have been after him, have come and gone..MJ has stood the test of time. hmmm...lies run in sprints..but the truth runs marathons...
 
vncwilliam said:
lol..u sure it's number 1's he was talking about..or...Invincible?

and..i have never seen an album of his that was number 1 in only one country. this, bro..is what gets me.

MJ's word is considered illegit..and the prince, and everybody else's is considered..'legit.'.

and..2002? people have been after him in a big way since 1993. conspiracies can last.:)
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'83. :lol: They been "after him". :shifty:
 
My belief is that MJ came to his senses, and realised what the song was. Corny, and badly produced. So he pulled out.
 
sure...tho i agree to disagree on number 1's..lol..i will say..that even hold my hand is LOVED in more than one country. how's that? lol
 
While I can admit that the song would be a Hit, it is a hit for today. Here today, gone tomorrow. That's what Akon is good at doing. Furthermore, his hits have no shelf-life whatsoever. Michael has produced tonnes of hits decades ago that are still played frequently today on radios and in clubs. Akon on the other hand.. well can you imagine everyone still listening to Smack That in 30 years time? I. Don't. Think. So.
 
mickyj007 said:
While I can admit that the song would be a Hit, it is a hit for today. Here today, gone tomorrow. That's what Akon is good at doing. Furthermore, his hits have no shelf-life whatsoever. Michael has produced tonnes of hits decades ago that are still played frequently today on radios and in clubs. Akon on the other hand.. well can you imagine everyone still listening to Smack That in 30 years time? I. Don't. Think. So.
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damn you. now i'm gunna be hearin 'smack that' for at least the next twenty four hours, in my head.
 
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