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Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
And if you think there are fake vocals, go take a good lawyer, sue sony, the estate & the cascios of course (those devils). And put your money where your mouth is (at over long last)!
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Well I'm still waiting for Sony to sue Taryll, Randy, Cory Rooney et al for claiming the vocals are fake.
 
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Well surely if Sony can prove the tracks are legitimate, they'd be able to sue anyone claiming otherwise??? No???
 
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samhabib said:
Well surely if Sony can prove the tracks are legitimate, they'd be able to sue anyone claiming otherwise??? No???
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I don't think they wanna waste their time and money in suing.
 
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samhabib said:
Well I'm still waiting for Sony to sue Taryll, Randy, Cory Rooney et al for claiming the vocals are fake.
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Sony wouldn't do that, they want this to calm down. Let's hope it happens the other way around, family vs Sony and the Estate.
 
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it's not how it happens. It's innocent until proven guilty. The official word it's Michael's vocals, so Sony and Estate don't have to prove anything, their posision is clear. Now, those who don't believe them and think they are lying can challenge them in court.
 
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I just don't get it why someone must automatically be sued for God's sake!

If there are proofs that it is Michael singing then going to the court is futile, uselsess and a waste of money, time and energy!

Can't they just release or at least stream the original demos that Teddy worked on and processed?
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I just don't get it why someone must automatically be sued for God's sake!

If there are proofs that it is Michael singing then going to the court is futile, uselsess and a waste of money, time and energy!

Can't they just release or at least stream the original demos that Teddy worked on and processed?
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That's why, there aren't any!
 
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JMie please don't even try.

How often this was told to them?

They don't get it!

Same with specutlation & fact.

Prejudice is ignorance!
 
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Teddy only got the processed vocals you hear on the final songs.
No one else but Eddie Cascio knows what was done to these vocals.
 
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barok232 said:
That's why, there aren't any!
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I know that there aren't any according to what was answered to Taryll. But Teddy, nor SONY, cannot claim that after the processing they destroyed the raw demo on which Teddy was working in order to obtain the songs that we hear on the album though.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I know that there aren't any according to what was answered to Taryll. But Teddy, nor SONY, cannot claim that after the processing they destroyed the raw demo on which Teddy was working in order to obtain the songs that we hear on the album though.
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How do we know that too? How do we know that Malachi and Riley were not together this summer working in the studio? How do we know there is a "raw" demo? After all, the vocals in the Cascio tracks do not sound processed at all to me. EDIT Hollywood Tonight vocals however DO sound processed and I am 1000% certain I hear MJ

(All the above is my opinion)
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I just don't get it why someone must automatically be sued for God's sake!

If there are proofs that it is Michael singing then going to the court is futile, uselsess and a waste of money, time and energy!

Can't they just release or at least stream the original demos that Teddy worked on and processed?
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And because you wish for it at this very moment, you should get it immediatly?

They have no need to prove anything. Simple as that.

And i rather take another album of new material (including the rest of the cascio tracks) as some streamed demos, which in the end wouldn't satisfy you either.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I know that there aren't any according to what was answered to Taryll. But Teddy, nor SONY, cannot claim that after the processing they destroyed the raw demo on which Teddy was working in order to obtain the songs that we hear on the album though.
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Riley did not work on any raw demos. 12 completed a capella tracks were sold by Cascio to the Estate and that is what was being worked on by multiple producers.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I just don't get it why someone must automatically be sued for God's sake!

If there are proofs that it is Michael singing then going to the court is futile, uselsess and a waste of money, time and energy!

Can't they just release or at least stream the original demos that Teddy worked on and processed?
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I agree. Why our society becomes so litigation friendly? The idea of hiring a lawyer and sue Sony irks me. Didn't Sony post a disclaimer at the back of the album? My wish is simple. Genuine songs from Michael. That's all. I never want Sony to suffer any loss or pay any penalty.
 
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barok232 said:
How do we know that too? How do we know that Malachi and Riley were not together this summer working in the studio? How do we know there is a "raw" demo? After all the vocals in the Cascio tracks do not sound processed at all to me

(All the above is my opinion)
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Well that's what has been said all along, hasn't it. Teddy processed the vocals at such an extent that it is unrecognizable.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well that's what has been said all along, hasn't it. Teddy processed the vocals at such an extent that it is unrecognizable.
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Yeah right, what else could he say? That MJ sounded like crap? No, it is the processing, the equipment, blah blah...
 
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mixedbymike said:
i've read a lot of post's regarding the authenticity of the vocals on the latest michael jackson album. in regard to the song "Monster" i know 100% the vocals are him. however that peticular track has been sped up and that his vocals have been pitched shifted up a little bit.

a friend of mine actually mixed on one of the three tracks that were given to Teddy Riley.
Being an audio engineer myself, i got some information on how that track was edited.

The original casio track was much slower, so for Teddy to make it more modern with the production he decided to speed it up (about 9 percent) and recreate the whole song from scratch, using the casio demo as a guide.

So when you speed up an acapella. the pitch will obviously change.
but with audio software like Melodyne (youtube it) you can fine tune pitch of the vocal take.
regardless of how well of a singer you are, 99% of the time Melodyne, or Autotune is used to tighten up the vocals. this HAD to be done because the whole track was sped up.

now if you try to slow down, or "Time Strech" the monster track it will NOT sound like michael no matter how hard you try because again, the key of the song will change and it just wont be the same. There is software that i've come across to slow down, and pitch down the track without changing the key.

i used "The Amazing Slowdowner" software to slow and pitch down the song.
i used the following settings and got it sounding close to Mike as possible.

Pitch: -23cents
Speed: 91.74speed

What do you guys think?

http://uploading.com/files/c33e277c/Monster+-23cents+91.74speed.mp3/
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A reminder... 1st post to start this thread!
 
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Alec said:
Riley did not work on any raw demos. 12 completed a capella tracks were sold by Cascio to the Estate and that is what was being worked on by multiple producers.
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Isn't it odd? Is it Michael Jackson's way of creating music? Once he recorded his vocals, he ordered to have all the preliminary demos to be destroyed. This simply is not Michael's habit.

We have home demos, studio demos and one take domos of so many songs. Yet, on these Cascios tracks, there is absolutely no evidence of Michael's creative inputs.

Things just don't seem to add up.
 
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barok232 said:
How do we know that too? How do we know that Malachi and Riley were not together this summer working in the studio? How do we know there is a "raw" demo? After all, the vocals in the Cascio tracks do not sound processed at all to me. EDIT Hollywood Tonight vocals however DO sound processed and I am 1000% certain I hear MJ

(All the above is my opinion)
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Teddy started working on the songs in September and he was given a capella tracks to work with (the Cascio songs). He did not record them nor did he do any work on them prior to them being sold to the Estate.
Angelikson (Eddie Cascio) sold the songs to the Estate in April/May 2010 after copyrighting them in June 2009 as "MJ songbook".
 
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samhabib said:
Well I'm still waiting for Sony to sue Taryll, Randy, Cory Rooney et al for claiming the vocals are fake.
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samhabib said:
Well surely if Sony can prove the tracks are legitimate, they'd be able to sue anyone claiming otherwise??? No???
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No and I explained that to you before. why do you ignore explanations?

In order to sue for defamation / libel/ slander just a defamatory statement isn't enough, the statement also needs to cause verifiable damages (reputation or financial wise) to the parties. Defamation/ libel/slander lawsuits especially harder to pursue for public figures.

as I simplified before: even though for example Taryll could call Teddy Riley a liar in a defamatory fashion, if no one takes Taryll seriously and Teddy's reputation and financial income capacity isn't hurt by this statement he cannot sue Taryll for defamation.

JMie said:
it's not how it happens. It's innocent until proven guilty. The official word it's Michael's vocals, so Sony and Estate don't have to prove anything, their posision is clear. Now, those who don't believe them and think they are lying can challenge them in court.
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exactly
 
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Alec said:
Teddy started working on the songs in September and he was given a capella tracks to work with (the Cascio songs). He did not record them nor did he do any work on them prior to them being sold to the Estate.
Angelikson (Eddie Cascio) sold the songs to the Estate in April/May 2010 after copyrighting them in June 2009 as "MJ songbook".
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Eddie Cascio didn't even share a guide with midi instruments with Teddy, nothing? On what music did MJ supposedly record the vocals? And they destroyed everything? What a mess...
 
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Korgnex said:
A German hacker that has been arrested has STOLEN tracks like "Slave To The Rhythm".

This was widely reported in Germany. 2 people have been arrested.

The individual known as "tak" is also a CRIMINAL and has apparently been arrested, too, after SELLING 8 tracks of MJ.



Back to reality please.
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Any other sources for that than a stupid tabloid report from german BILD
(not mentioning anything about MJ)
that seemed to be simply made up as an excuse to present a half naked celebrity image?
 
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Apparently nothing but vocals were given to Riley. That's what he says. He built the music around the vocals, from scratch. No drum machines, not even piano from the original songs. Nothing.
 
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So, Teddy Rily claimed that Michael's vocals are different because of over-processing. He even apologized for it. Why is it okay for him to turn one of the most distinctive and beautiful voice ever heard by human kind to non-recognizable level?

I don't know about you. When I saw that statement from Teddy, I was irritated. I don't know why it's acceptable for him to robotize Michael's voice just for the sake of releasing an album that sounds modern and "marketable". Is selling records becoming such a dominent priority? How about maintaining integrity? Of course, I want new albums, but not at the expense of Michael's musical integrity.
 
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samhabib said:
Man... if the songs were legit, why not register them when Michael was alive? Why wait until he's dead?
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loka said:
some songs have never been registred like the songs with Bryan Loren...
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True around 10 songs/loops etc by Bryan Loren and Michael is registered after Michael's death as well.

Would people also think that Bryan Loren cooked them up in his basement with JM?
 
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Alec said:
Apparently nothing but vocals were given to Riley. That's what he says. He built the music around the vocals, from scratch. No drum machines, not even piano from the original songs. Nothing.
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Like love is magical, I too find that very odd + I don't think what Teddy says has any merit to me anymore after all that's happened
 
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love is magical said:
So, Teddy Rily claimed that Michael's vocals are different because of over-processing. He even apologized for it. Why is it okay for him to turn one of the most distinctive and beautiful voice ever heard by human kind to non-recognizable level?

I don't know about you. When I saw that statement from Teddy, I was irritated. I don't know why it's acceptable for him to robotize Michael's voice just for the sake of releasing an album that sounds modern and "marketable". Is selling records becoming such a dominent priority? How about maintaining integrity? Of course, I want new albums, but not at the expense of Michael's musical integrity.
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THIS. We get overprocessed crap as opposed to Mike's raw, unattainable, incredible musical genius...

Thanks for nothin'....:(
 
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