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Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
As long as the opposite is not proven in court, Michael jackson is on these Tracks, singing the leadvocal, with additional vocals by James Porte
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So according to this logic there REALLY ARE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq! :)
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Hollywood Tonight vocals sound nothing like BN or Monster. It is a compeltely different voice and phrase intonation.
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I spoke about sound NOT phrase intonation.
And when you say it sounds nothing like oneanother, we've different opnions.

But your opinion isn't more fact as mine.

To me the sound of the voice in this songs are recognisable as the voice of one Person, of one Singer, of Mr. Michael Jackson.
 
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ivy said:
but the question is how much the sales is hurt? it's the 3rd best selling album. It doesn't seem like it suffered that much.
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The sales during the first week are a false indicator. We will see in one year time. But anyway, the sales are not really the issue here.

The controversy over the tracks is too strong to put them on an album instead of using them on a seperate project.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
In which case the mistake is yours.

Cause I and many other could hear a difference between first stream & updated stream.

And of course cd-version is best, qualitywise. And that for you can recognise MJ's voice more clearly.

It's not that we don't hear the difference between cascio-tracks and most older MJ-Tracks.
It's more like we recognise it's still MJ's voice, even it sounds different and overprocessed.

If you hear hollywood tonight, monster & breaking news after one another, the difference isn't really that much.
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You know, I haven't really said much about the voice topic because people were going at it with each other and I didn't want to be a part of it, and now when I say something about it I get personally attacked.

Hopefully it doesn't take long for the board to get back to the way it used to be.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
And now the next one steps in and says: "Then they shouldn't never have released them.."
But that is not the point and not the matter of the debate here.
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Oh no, that is exactly the point of this debate.

They DARE to produce songs from scratch with fake vocals, when the genius himself left behind dozens of real songs. I will never forgive what they did to us and his artistry. The Estate was supposed to take care of Michael's musical legacy, not agree to go for the first business venture Sony Music puts forward.

Michael left behind amazing music recorded throughout his career... Slave to the Rhythm, Blue Gangsta and who knows what else. There are enough unreleased songs that he for sure laid down vocals for to put out 2-3 or more albums.

You don't include all the best music on the first release? Sure, you pick 1-3 tracks that are single-ready material and fill the rest with more or less completed music the man himself worked on.

Also, I'd like to thank John McClain for being there for Michael and not agreeing to have the Cascio songs on the album. Sadly, he was outvoted by the suits who don't know the music.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

samhabib said:
So according to this logic there REALLY ARE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq! :)
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That's your knockout argument? Oh god, everytime i read this s****d outburst of you.
I literally crack up.

And read it quite often from you...

Laughable!
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
That's your knockout argument? Oh god, everytime i read this s****d outburst of you.
I literally crack up.

And read it quite often from you...

Laughable!
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It's not as if you're the least sarcastic person here either. Just something to remember.

I agree with Alec in that I wouldn't put it past the Cascios to actually have made the songs from scratch... i.e. that Michael never even worked with them, that he never had a hand in any of those three songs. That's speculation of course, but I am convinced the vocals are fake, and if they're willing to put fake vocals on the songs then they're capable of anything.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
That's your knockout argument? Oh god, everytime i read this s****d outburst of you.
I literally crack up.

And read it quite often from you...

Laughable!
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Mods??? Anything to say to this post???
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
That's your knockout argument? Oh god, everytime i read this s****d outburst of you.
I literally crack up.

And read it quite often from you...

Laughable!
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Up to this point what you consider as facts is being laughable because all you do is stick to the official statement from SONY and take it for granted.

However, there are some unofficial reports from SONY that another singer was hired. And that part is being forgotten. As I stated it earlier, it is not because it is official that it is true. Or in other words, it is not because it is unofficial that it is a lie. And this has nothing to do with speculation, but with the facts that there were official and unofficial statements contradicting each other.
 
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Alec, sorry but you are also stating speculation as fact.

There is no fake vocal on any Song on MICHAEL.

Therefor i did not continue to read even the second half of your first sentence.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Dark Artist said:
It's not as if you're the least sarcastic person here either. Just something to remember.

I agree with Alec in that I wouldn't put it past the Cascios to actually have made the songs from scratch... i.e. that Michael never even worked with them, that he never had a hand in any of those three songs. That's speculation of course, but I am convinced the vocals are fake, and if they're willing to put fake vocals on the songs then they're capable of anything.
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Man... if the songs were legit, why not register them when Michael was alive? Why wait until he's dead?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Also very aducated & intelligent.

Maybe that's the right level to discuss with you.
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Yes, I love Mickey Mouse just the way Michael did. Woud you also ask Michael Jackson the same question?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Up to this point what you consider as facts is being laughable because all you do is stick to the official statement from SONY and take it for granted.

However, there are some unofficial reports from SONY that another singer was hired. And that part is being forgotten. As I stated it earlier, it is not because it is official that it is true. Or in other words, it is not because it is unofficial that it is a lie. And this has nothing to do with speculation, but with the facts that there were official and unofficial statements contradicting each other.
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what unofficial reports? if you are referring to a post made by smoothcriminal05, he later said that those words were not the inside info from Sony, but just a personal opinion of his Sony source. so it can hardly be considered a report, unofficial or not.

do you have any other reports? can you share?

Man... if the songs were legit, why not register them when Michael was alive? Why wait until he's dead?
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Maybe they were waiting for Michael to do it himself. What's the usual procedure of registering a song? Who can do that usually - a producer or any of the writers/composers can do that too?
 
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JMie said:
what unofficial reports? if you are referring to a post made by smoothcriminal05, he later said that those words were not the inside info from Sony, but just a personal opinion of his Sony source. so it can hardly be considered a report, unofficial or not.

do you have any other reports? can you share?
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Smooth said that he talked for about 30 minutes on the phone and that his sources stated that it came STRAIGHT from SONY, and that they DID hire a singer to cover over 50% of vocals. And that there was going to be a meeting because of that.

This does not sound as an opinion to me!
 
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ivy said:
now that could be intentional to actually attract attention to the release - which they succeeded I might add. Think like this: Hold My Hand was determined to be first single so why stream another song one week before that, especially it was controversial. "Breaking news" become the "breaking news" about new MJ album and it got everyone talking about the album, didn't it? For example even my brother who only listens to heavy metal music was curious enough to go MJ.com on his own to listen to Breaking News and voice his opinion to me.
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To attract attention? Really? Did Michael need this kind of cheap marketing gimmick? It's the first posthumous release of the greatest and the most beloved entertainer of all time. It's the first new material from Michael Jackson in nine years. Instead of releasing a stronger track, Sony and the Estate opted for controversy.

To be honest, I'm not happy with how this album is handled at all. The release of this album is anti-climatic. I'm not negative person. But, I can't lie and say Sony did a great job; for, they suck this time. I understand a business is a business. Sony wants to make money. I'm happy to let them make money if they give us quality product. Like Bumper mentioned, Michael was a savvy business man himself. But, he gave us quality works each and every time he released an album.

I also understand it's the Estate's intention to spread the good songs over several releases, so they won't run out unreleased materials. But, seriously? They can only give us 3 good songs this time?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Smooth said that he talked for about 30 minutes on the phone and that his sources stated that it came STRAIGHT from SONY, and that they DID hire a singer to cover over 50% of vocals. And that there was going to be a meeting because of that.

This does not sound as an opinion to me!
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yeah, he said that. and the next day he took that back and said it was a personal opinion. you should ask smooth or check his posts.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

samhabib said:
Man... if the songs were legit, why not register them when Michael was alive? Why wait until he's dead?
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some songs have never been registred like the songs with Bryan Loren...
 
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The songs were produced from scratch. Even if the vocals are real (which I honestly doubt), Teddy Riley only got a capella tracks to work with. All the music you hear is what he (Teddy Riley) composed. No input from Michael whatsoever, even if you consider the vox to be real.
 
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JMie said:
yeah, he said that. and the next day he took that back and said it was a personal opinion. you should ask smooth or check his posts.
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Strangely enough, before the supposed meeting he says it came straight from SONY, and after the meeting he retracts and says oh it was just an opinion.
 
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With this upload i hear 2 different voices , just like in breaking news... Like they used another singer to finish the songs...
 
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Just so everyone knows:

When I originally made the comments that part of the lyrics were NOT MJ, that was later clarified by myself as being background vocals. I had to ask my uncle more questions when I talked to him after. Sorry for the confusion, but I posted this many times. Maybe some of you didn't read it. At the time of that comment, the email from my uncle stated that part of the vocals were not MJ. That's all I had at that time... and that's what I posted here. But I have clarified myself many times.

And I'm not a regular insider like MKgenie and Elenora who are directly involved in Sony promotions. I have a family member who works at Sony and when I talk with him, he gives me some information on the MJ situation. It's a totally different setup.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Up to this point what you consider as facts is being laughable because all you do is stick to the official statement from SONY and take it for granted.

However, there are some unofficial reports from SONY that another singer was hired. And that part is being forgotten. As I stated it earlier, it is not because it is official that it is true. Or in other words, it is not because it is unofficial that it is a lie. And this has nothing to do with speculation, but with the facts that there were official and unofficial statements contradicting each other.
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If you believe more in smooth's source than what is stated in the booklet of the official release, i don't want to discuss this any further with you.

It's clear either the source was very wrong or smooth was a bit overwhelmed by the events and went way to far by stating things like that as an inofficial statement.
But stop, that's not what he did. That's again what you are interpreting.

It's senseless, some of yo are really lost.
You don't even notice when someone is trying to explain something, with the intention to help you out and fill some gaps in the use of vocabulary.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

smooth_criminal05 said:
Just so everyone knows:

When I originally made the comments that part of the lyrics were NOT MJ, that was later clarified by myself as being background vocals. I had to ask my uncle more questions when I talked to him after. Sorry for the confusion, but I posted this many times. Maybe some of you didn't read it.

And I'm not a regular insider like MKgenie and Elenora who are directly involved in Sony promotions. I have a family member who works at Sony and when I talk with him, he gives me some information on the MJ situation. It's a totally different setup.
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Ok Smooth, as you probably remember during the whole period prior to MJ's album release I had been sarcastic. But I never said that I didn't believe you or that I did believe you, I just took some distances.

Lately I have just reiterated what you posted when BN was streamed, without questioning whether it was true or not what you were reporting or saying.

Now, what bothers me and probably many fans, is not the fact that you said that it was your source opinion. What bothers me is that you confirmed that it came straight from SONY and that they DID hire.

Furthermore you continued saying that your source told you that there was a big meeting that was going to be held not knowing if the album was going to be removed or not from the market.

This really does not sound as a simple opinion statement, does it?

And what is more, after the supposed meeting at SONY, you posted that all what you had reported was actually an opinion. I just don't understand why did you opt to use all the confirmation wording when expressing a simple opinion.

My question is, what was said during the meeting?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Yes, I love Mickey Mouse just the way Michael did. Woud you also ask Michael Jackson the same question?
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Man You're really funny.

MJ wouldn't have used Micky Mouse in that context in that kind of discussion.

How childish of you. (But oops did i insult MJ now also? Cause i said childish? Or was MJ more childlike??)

To me it seems more that you are misunsing micky mouse and therefore insulting MJ's love for Disney.

Which i share by the way.
 
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MJJuniorSinceMW said:
If you believe more in smooth's source than what is stated in the booklet of the official release, i don't want to discuss this any further with you.

It's clear either the source was very wrong or smooth was a bit overwhelmed by the events and went way to far by stating things like that as an inofficial statement.
But stop, that's not what he did. That's again what you are interpreting.

It's senseless, some of yo are really lost.
You don't even notice when someone is trying to explain something, with the intention to help you out and fill some gaps in the use of vocabulary.
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Why the booklet of the album is more trustworthy? Since when Sony's official press release has to be taken as the gospels?

Speaking of the booklet, I'm not happy with the printing errors. They even mixed up some lyrics of TWYLM. I just feel Sony couldn't get anything right.

Now, please tone down a little. The way you speak is very condescending.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Man You're really funny.

MJ wouldn't have used Micky Mouse in that context in that kind of discussion.

How childish of you. (But oops did i insult MJ now also? Cause i said childish? Or was MJ more childlike??)

To me it seems more that you are misunsing micky mouse and therefore insulting MJ's love for Disney.

Which i share by the way.
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Yeah, right, you know in which context Michael would have used one thing or another. You detain all the facts.

No, I am not childish, I am rather childlike, but after reading your posts one after another you are nothing but full of hate towards people with your implicit and explicit insults.

We are not debating who is what inhere, but the vocals on the MJ's album.
 
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Bumper is hunting the truth, or is he hunting smooth?

In that context i've to say, that some of the non-believers are on the hunt for the truth, like bush was on the hunt for weapons of mass destruction.

But there is no more truth than we already have. Stated in the booklet and the OFFICIAL pressrelease, by 1st Weitzman & 2nd Sony. (and @ love is magical: Yes, to me the booklet is the most trustworthy we have)

So no more fake vocals, then there where no weapons o. m. d.

And if you think there are fake vocals, go take a good lawyer, sue sony, the estate & the cascios of course (those devils). And put your money where your mouth is (at over long last)!
 
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MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Bumper is hunting the truth, or is he hunting smooth?

In that context i've to say, that some of the non-believers are on the hunt for the truth, like bush was on the hunt for weapons of mass destruction.

But there is no more truth than we already have. Stated in the booklet and the OFFICIAL pressrelease, by 1st Weitzman & 2nd Sony. (and @ love is magical: Yes, to me the booklet is the most trustworhty we have)

So no more fake vocals, then there where no weapons o. m. d.

And if you think there are fake vocals, go take a good lawyer, sue sony, the estate & the cascios of course (thoses devils). And put your money where your mouth is (at over long last)!
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