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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
L is pronounced in Chalk, L is pronounced in Walk. Speak for yourself, don't speak for everyone.
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Please grab a dictionary and read the phonetics between brackets next to the word. Make me a sign if you see that the [L] sound is pronounced.

By the way, I am not speaking for myself, this time it is a fact!
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well, I am very flexible, I am not stuck with the wording. However, when someone says it's a fact, I assume that they express their opinions, so why is it necessary each time to state that what we believe is a fact is actually just an opinion.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. However, there is one thing that I can't forget. When Breaking news was released, Smooth did say that his source confirmed directly from SONY that they hired a singer to cover more than 50% of the Cascio tracks. I was shocked. Later he twisted it into his source opinion. But the wording that he had chosen indicated that it was not an opinion, but a fact coming STRAIGHT from SONY.

What happened to that statement? Why is it being ignored? Many say that non believers were influenced by Taryll or the Jacksons, but this is not really the case. And those who point out the Jacksons forget to point out Smooth's source from SONY.
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How is that any different from the many months of Smooth saying "my source says an announcement regarding the album is coming up in the next week or so", only to wait a month later, and state the same thing and repeat the process? It's possible his source was wrong, it's possible his source wasn't being honest, it's possible his source just assumed that was the case and ran with it.
 
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Triumph said:
err... at what stage if i may ask?
pitching (changing tempo) of an acapella does not change with time stretch
and it does NOT change the colors of a voice!

ever heard any of the club remixes that were done for michaels albums?
most of them (like Stranger In Moscow) were sped up for the house club remixes,
but it still sounded 100% like Michael Jackson.

So this excuse is nonsense, sorry.
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You are right. That's what I meant. If you just change the tempo the color of your voice doesn't change. I could prove it right away. But changing tempo isn't called 'pitching'. Pitching means tuning the voice and that's what's done with the notes of Cascio tracks..
 
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Everyone needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Its getting way too much in here and getting too heated, calm down now please or we'll have to close it for cleaning.
 
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Who are these people joining? This robert21212 just sent a link to illegally download the album, his FIRST POST! WTF?

On the other hand, the one who opened this thread comes here to PROVE, his FIRST POST TOO! WTF?

EDIT These people are here to cause trouble, have us fighting, divide us more! What else?
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
How is that any different from the many months of Smooth saying "my source says an announcement regarding the album is coming up in the next week or so", only to wait a month later, and state the same thing and repeat the process? It's possible his source was wrong, it's possible his source wasn't being honest, it's possible his source just assumed that was the case and ran with it.
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Well when someone tells you "this comes straight from the SONY..." what are you going to think? he's lying? Then if he lied why would he?
 
Re: Monster - The Great Debate

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Um...Yes it is.

How can you tell me what I hear on a daily basis?


:hysterical:
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No it is not! Neither in British English nor American English. It is written,but never pronounced in those words! Do me a favor and see it for yourself in the dictionary. Read the phonetical transcription of the above mentioned words. No "L" pronounced at all.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well when someone tells you "this comes straight from the SONY..." what are you going to think? he's lying? Then if he lied why would he?
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Again, how is that any different from his similar statements regarding the album release and an announcement? He said on more than one occasion in that thread, "my source says this is coming straight from sony...". It's a similar situation, people, even the employee's of the company, can be wrong or misled, you know.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Again, how is that any different from his similar statements regarding the album release and an announcement? He said on more than one occasion in that thread, "my source says this is coming straight from sony...". It's a similar situation, people, even the employee's of the company, can be wrong or misled, you know.
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If he makes a mistake about a release date, I can understand, because the release dates cha,ge all the time. It happens. But saying that more than 50% was sung by another singer and that it comes straight from SONY is huge! If it's a mistake it is not a small one. It's extremely serious!
 
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Yes it is, everyone isn't the same, and I get what you're saying, in the dictionary it's "Chok". That doesn't mean everyone speaks the same, something you aren't getting. People say Cha[l]k, despite how you feel about it, they do, and again, unless you're me, how can you tell me I'm wrong and don't hear what people say?


York is spelled in the dictionary, the pronunciation in the dictionary reads "York", yet people still stay Yawk, replacing the O and the R with an A and an W, people have their own accents. Again, unless you've been here, and we have the same set of ears, you can't tell me I'm wrong.
 
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I agree, but it's still a mistake nonetheless. Maybe Smooth will explain the statement eventually, but like any other person in the world, he has a right to retract his statement if he isn't 100% sure on it.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Yes it is, everyone isn't the same, and I get what you're saying, in the dictionary it's "Chok". That doesn't mean everyone speaks the same, something you aren't getting. People say Cha[l]k, despite how you feel about it, they do, and again, unless you're me, how can you tell me I'm wrong and don't hear what people say?


York is spelled in the dictionary, the pronunciation in the dictionary reads "York", yet people still stay Yawk, replacing the O and the R with an A and an W, people have their own accents. Again, unless you've been here, and we have the same set of ears, you can't tell me I'm wrong.
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This has nothing to do with ears. Pronouncing an [L] in the word walk or chalk is a pure mistake. You cannot make your own rules of a language, otherwise no one will be able to understand you.

As far as YORK is concerned, there are two standards: British and American. In British English the rhotic [r] is not pronounced after a vowel which makes it: YO:K, while in American English tha rhotic [r] is pronounced and it always sounds close to what you hear "w" -YORK or (YAWK) if you prefer.

But I challenge you to find me a single English speaker pronouncing [L] in the words walk, chalk, talk, etc. and pretend to be the standard English pronunciation.

All this to say, that be it Michael or Malachi or anyone else NOT pronouncing [L] in the word "stalking" is completely normal, because that's the way it should be pronounced - without it!
 
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ummm....the L is silent in chalk, stalk....

:scratch: if you're pronouncing the L, you're saying it wrong...
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I agree, but it's still a mistake nonetheless. Maybe Smooth will explain the statement eventually, but like any other person in the world, he has a right to retract his statement if he isn't 100% sure on it.
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I am not blaming Smooth necessarily. If indeed his source told him so, why would I blame Smooth?

But if the source didn't tell him that it means that he lied.

Again, I am not accusing him of anything, but if his source indeed told him so and afterwards retracted the statement, the wording Smooth used did not seem to be as a simple opinion! He even added that there was going to be a meeting at SONY!

So if the source lied, why would he lie? If the source did not lie, then we can conclude that they had a meeting at SONY and as a matter of fact decided to retract the statement and twist it afterwards as a simple opinion. But, it's a bit too late, because the statement has been issued in such a manner that there is no way that anyone can believe it was a simple opinion.

Something is wrong, I am telling you, and of course if the tracks were fake they are never going to admit it!
 
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As is said:

Helpless & lost AND (goes without saying) WRONG !

It seems no one can help You...

You can't even distinguish between fact & speculation.

How could we take you seriously?

I'm out kids.
It's getting a bit frustrating trying to help you out of your hole against your own will.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I agree, but it's still a mistake nonetheless. Maybe Smooth will explain the statement eventually, but like any other person in the world, he has a right to retract his statement if he isn't 100% sure on it.
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Maybe he'll explain this:

About Breaking News:


I'm a positive guy, but I only believe sources so much. I have listened to that song 10 times in a row, and as much as I don't want to say it.... That's not MJ (atleast not 100%). They had someone add vocals, most likely Malachi.

Such a disappointment. This will all blow up tomorrow. It could end up taking the entire album off the market...Unless of course it's a huge publicity stunt to get attention for the album. Like Teddy Riley said... time will tell.

Funny how he now believe it's 100% Michael. What happened?
 
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barok232 said:
Who are these people joining? This robert21212 just sent a link to illegally download the album, his FIRST POST! WTF?

On the other hand, the one who opened this thread comes here to PROVE, his FIRST POST TOO! WTF?

EDIT These people are here to cause trouble, have us fighting, divide us more! What else?
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Please remember something.....people can ONLY divide us..IF WE let them. So I suggest...we don't let them. :)
 
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Pentum said:
Maybe he'll explain this:

About Breaking News:


I'm a positive guy, but I only believe sources so much. I have listened to that song 10 times in a row, and as much as I don't want to say it.... That's not MJ (atleast not 100%). They had someone add vocals, most likely Malachi.

Such a disappointment. This will all blow up tomorrow. It could end up taking the entire album off the market...Unless of course it's a huge publicity stunt to get attention for the album. Like Teddy Riley said... time will tell.

Funny how he now believe it's 100% Michael. What happened?
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Just another "mistake"? lol
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I agree, but it's still a mistake nonetheless. Maybe Smooth will explain the statement eventually, but like any other person in the world, he has a right to retract his statement if he isn't 100% sure on it.
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concerning "smooth":
this was one of hundreds postings he's made that clearly showed he's not an "insider".

he didn't even know the title and content of the "Vision" box set when other more reliable people did.

I don't know who exactly made him an "insider" though. He was good in summing up things from all the various forums, that's what I remember.
 
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Korgnex said:
concerning "smooth":
this was one of hundreds postings he's made that clearly showed he's not an "insider".

he didn't even know the title and content of the "Vision" box set when other more reliable people did.

I don't know who exactly made him an "insider" though.
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If what you're saying is true, that means that he did not have a source at SONY, which means that he unfortunately lied. Well, despite that, as BAROK pointed out, he's a staff now.
 
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Pentum said:
Maybe he'll explain this:

About Breaking News:


I'm a positive guy, but I only believe sources so much. I have listened to that song 10 times in a row, and as much as I don't want to say it.... That's not MJ (atleast not 100%). They had someone add vocals, most likely Malachi.

Such a disappointment. This will all blow up tomorrow. It could end up taking the entire album off the market...Unless of course it's a huge publicity stunt to get attention for the album. Like Teddy Riley said... time will tell.

Funny how he now believe it's 100% Michael. What happened?
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This has happened to more fans than Smooth.

There are very few people that listened to Breaking News on first listen and didn't doubt it, from what I can remember. Now time has passed, and fans that are holding onto their undying belief have accepted the songs, forgetting what their own ears told them in the first place.

You've all probably noticed how the polls have slowly swayed in favour of the vocals being real, as opposed to initially being in favour of the vocals being fake (overwhelmingly so, I might add).
 
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barok232 said:
:angel: I pray that you are right on this one!

My worst fear is if they go correct all our observations through this month (eg vibrato). This time with those 3 it was easy to obvious to tell. Can you imagine how difficult it could be the next time if they correct the imposter's flaws? :bugeyed (Still there 'll be flaws though...)

EDIT all the above is my opinion
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Actually I think this is alarming. I feel that there might be an impersonator on the 3 Cascio tracks and Sony has obviously got away with it. Its like opening a can of worms. How many shady releases will we see in the future with perhaps new technology allowing producers to alter voices/sounds even more?

If there is indeed an impersonator I am sure they could have done a better job - since there are many valid point the doubters bring up questioning certain part of the songs.

So if the songs are indeed fake, chances are we will see ever better and more polished fakes in the future!

I am not saying I know the vocals are fake, but I got to call what I hear somewhat. (while still being open to be proven otherwise)
 
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^^ Very true....There have been a lot of fans who have done a complete 360....Trusting their ears on first instinct the first time they heard BN.....Now, they're hearing something different?

However, for me, I have NOT forgotten, and I will NEVER forget what my ears heard that first time....Feel the music, as Mike has always said...Don't worry, Michael, I'll never forget that....:)
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
If what you're saying is true, that means that he did not have a source at SONY, which means that he unfortunately lied. Well, despite that, as BAROK pointed out, he's a staff now.
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SC_05 is very good at pretending he's in the know, and that's how he fooled so many people. But no, he's not an insider, and he doesn't know anyone at Sony. It's all in his imagination.
 
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So how on earth have we gone from the original topic of the thread to discussing Smooth? Enough, move on.
 
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