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Monster - The Great Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

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Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
And your signature also shouldn't be allowed, or changed into something appropriate!

@ ivy:
Is there something which can be done about his signature, cause he is clearly stating his interpretation as fact.

And it's so close to his statement section, if an unexpierienced person comes to the board, he'll be misled, by reading this ish.
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Oh dear, are you serious?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
-Michael's husk is recognizable in any husky voiced song he did, younger or older. His husk or sparkling voice is imitable, but never equaled.

-The depth indeed can be regulated, but the timbre never. It is just like your fingerprints or your DNA. Even if you sing through a pipe, your voice through a pipe will not sound as someone else's voice. It will just sound your-through-the-pipe voice. It's the part of your identity.

-The pronunciation of phonemes is the key. Especially phonemes such as "s". Your pronunciation of "s" will differ from someone else's due to many factors, such as the length of your tongue or the shape of your teeth, or the distance between your tongue and your teeth. The "s" that I hear on MONSTER is completely different from the "s" that I hear on PRIVACY, no matter the era or the rhythm.

-As far as your accent is concerned, that can change according to the environment in which you live, but the way you pronounce some phonemes will never change, as it is not necessarily do the voice skills, but the shape of your teeth, mouth or throat.
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Thank you! You know your stuff!
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

ivy said:
changed the title
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Thank you and I apologise if my posts to you made you feel bad or offended in any way. If you felt like that, I assure you it wasn't my intention
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

GThomson93 said:
So singing voices don't change over the years is what you're saying?
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Generally speaking, they don't tend to change too drastically, if at all, once puberty is over with. Various singers who performed live (with no lip syncing, etc. to help them) with decades of time between each performance (Tom Lehrer comes to mind) sounds essentially the same, even after 30 years.
 
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Only slowing or growing the tempo doesn't really change your voice nowadays until it's in decent range. But pitching changes it ALWAYS some. There's no program you can maintain your natural voice pitched note after note. That's why you really can't make natural sounding music if you can't sing melodies. You can't hear the melodyne change easily if it's very close the original pitch plus if you don't pitch like every second note but you can hear even one pitched note in a song if it goes too far from the original recording. At least people who know about music and the recording singer can notice it very easily.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Hey y'all, Well personally I think its him, I've been sayin' that about BN too but was doubtful after some fans said it wasnt him...But I'm sticking to my gut on this one and say that it is Michael, I dont need proof to know its Michael, even though soo many ppl. are hatin' on the 3 songs. I mean every YT vid I see about *Michael* They comments are sayin the same Damn thing...that "I like the album except the 3 songs", it doesnt matter how many times ppl. say this, the Music is still out and its really time for us to just enjoy the Music! Which ever songs you like, just listen to it and if you dont like the "3" songs, skip over that and listen to the others.

For me, Monster is by far my fev. from the fast beat songs on the album, of course after Best of Joy! :D

And Thankyou for starting this thread! :)


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
Re: Monster - The Great Debate

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Ok, many have compared Monster's vocals to Privacy vocals (???) Now, please, I am begging you, listen again the two songs and please compare as objectively as you can:

1) Michael's typically husky voice is clearly present on PRIVACY and absent/different on MONSTER

2) Neither the depth nor the voice timbre (color/tone) is the same.

3) And most importantly that we mustn't neglect - the accent and the phonetics!
Listen when the singer pronounces the phrase "stalking me" on MONSTER at 3:58 and compare it to the same phrase "stalking me" on PRIVACY at 0:30!!!! Not only the accent is completely different, but the way the phonemes are pronounced, especially the phoneme "S"!

PRIVACY:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr8pY9bNsrY

MONSTER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdV5YTpuKIs
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That part is sung in a completely different tune, so that doesn't necessarily mean it should be sung in the same order. One can argue that it's Michael because of the way "stalking" is pronounced. In both songs the L isn't mentioned so it sounds more like "stawking". "Stawking" is present in both songs.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

barok232 said:
Far from proof.

Join Date: December 2010?

Welcome to the forum newbie! (And also welcome to my ignore list)

EDIT Usually normal people say "hello" and introduce themselves when first posting. Showing your agenda from the first post already? You joined to PROVE? Unbelievable

EDIT2 Malachi's former manager also said that Jason's vocals were pitched on the Cascio tracks
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Newbie? How mature. I like how you keep ignoring the people who bring up valid points to this argument and do their own experiments to the conclusion that it's Michael, also. Real mature of you.
 
Re: Monster - The Great Debate

The whole accent is a dead giveaway. I can't see how almost no one notice this. It's like the guy signing is from a different country than Michael.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

You've seen it too AnnieRUOKay, it's the second thread today... it is not beautiful anymore.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I like how you keep ignoring the people who bring up valid points to this argument and do their own experiments to the conclusion that it's Michael, also.
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Exactly! Isn't it funny how ONLY their "experiments" to try to brainwaish people are valid?

These people are as lost as the children of Israel, only they'll never get to see the promised land. From their porch, they'll only get to see Belgium, Canada, Norway, etc.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Thanks for sharing this experiment.

Isn't it strange how this Barok guy adds anyone who believes the songs are Michael singing to his ignore list? It's very childish.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

KingMikeJ said:
Thanks for sharing this experiment.

Isn't it strange how this Barok guy adds anyone who believes the songs are Michael singing to his ignore list? It's very childish.
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I don't think it's a problem of who he decides to add into his ignore list. It's more a question of, why does he have to advertise it?
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

SimplyMagic said:
Exactly! Isn't it funny how ONLY their "experiments" to try to brainwaish people are valid?

These people are as lost as the children of Israel, only they'll never get to see the promised land. From their porch, they'll only get to see Belgium, Canada, Norway, etc.
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Lol, lol, lol, what exactly does that mean?
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

wolfrevenant said:
I don't think it's a problem of who he decides to add into his ignore list. It's more a question of, why does he have to advertise it?
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That's a good question. It's probably for attention. Now everyone knows who Barok is. He's that guy who adds people with other opinions than his own to his ignore list.

The advertising is strange also, but it is pretty childish that he can't even see a different opinion than his own, so he has to block it out.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

SimplyMagic said:
These people are as lost as the children of Israel, only they'll never get to see the promised land. From their porch, they'll only get to see Belgium, Canada, Norway, etc.
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MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Not 50 got duped, but You (by the few jacksons who cried out first)
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Who's being childish?


BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Lol, lol, lol, what exactly does that mean?
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I guess she/he reffers to me, you and Arklove.
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

:hysterical:
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Oh, wow. Now we are narrow-minded as well. Great!
 
Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

No more insults about people's join date. This should not matter, its not a competition.
 
Re: Monster - The Great Debate

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
That part is sung in a completely different tune, so that doesn't necessarily mean it should be sung in the same order. One can argue that it's Michael because of the way "stalking" is pronounced. In both songs the L isn't mentioned so it sounds more like "stawking". "Stawking" is present in both songs.
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Umm being from New York, I assume that your mother tongue is English. But I could be mistaken. Anyway, [L] is NEVER pronounced in English in words such as:

TALK, WALK, STALK, CHALK, etc. I am really surprised you are pointing out this mute [L]. So I must say that it's a bit irrelevant talking about mute graphemes.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

ivy said:
In a perfect world - in which MJ was alive and finishing his albums - I'll agree with you completely. However in the actual world that we are in, I tend to think this is unfortunately the reality of a posthumous releases - unfinished songs need to be finished somehow someway.

For example don't get me wrong I love love love the song "Hollywood Tonight" but the spoken part is way too long IMO. You think why and it's probably no second verse was recorded and they had to fill the gap. so in the end you get songs with spoken parts, duets, additional vocals, adlibs cut and pasted from other songs. Again yes this wouldn't happen in a perfect world but unfortunately we are living in a sad reality.
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I don't know. IF that is what they (the powers that be who had a hand in "Michael") did then that seems awfully deceptive. To present new music from Michael Jackson and represent it to the world as lead vocals having been completely sung by him. That is just wrong. They should not mess with Michael's vocals. Lyrics maybe. Musical compositions maybe. But his vocals should be left as is and minimally manipulated. Michael's worst day vocally is probably 10 times better than most pop singer's best day. Just my opinion.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Privacy & Monster have different tones to them too. That explains why the line in question sounded different.
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

Pentum said:
Who's being childish?



I guess she/he reffers to me, you and Arklove.
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Oh I see, we are the lost sheep mislead by the Satan. And we won't ever see the light. Right. Next. lol
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

once again

listen "'is it scary"

MJ took an angry voice buit the voice is not husky like in Privacy...

it's more like in MONSTER imo...
 
Re: Audio Proof that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

loka said:
once again

listen "'is it scary"

MJ took an angry voice buit the voice is not husky like in Privacy...

it's more like in MONSTER imo...
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Re: Audio Experiment that MONSTER is sung by Michael Jackson

you can speed down all Jason Malachi tracks like the way you've done...

It' JM, not MJ on that track...
 
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