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MJJC Summary of the conference call with Global Live Events

Initially we weren't going to participate due to the very last minute nature of the notification. However Gaz was able to make time from work and participate as representing MJJC. The conference calls were organized like one in every 30 minutes and that was the time that we had. We don't know if there had been multiple participants in any call but in our conference call MJJC was the only one that was talking to Global Live representatives.

We did not get any satisfactory answers to our questions and/or concerns. Majority of the time we didn't even get a response other than a "hmm". So this conference call did not change our opinions and our position as MJJC is still the same.

Gaz started by mentioning the timing of the tribute concert and how it fells right in the middle of the trial. Global Live representatives told us that it should not matter when the tribute is and as it is a tribute to MJ it surely got to be a good thing. We disagreed and told them that there's something as proper timing. GLE reps told us that the trial still could be delayed. We told them we believed it to be highly unlikely. We also told them that we didn't believe that MJ fans would be in the mindset to enjoy such an event as the trial would be so hard to handle for most with the character and lifestyle assassination of Michael and with the details of his death being discussed.

Gaz then mentioned booking of Gene Simmons and how they didn't do their homework. GLE acknowledged that it was a mistake, he should not been invited and if they could go back and do it again they wouldn't do it. We told them it was too little too late, that the damage was done and it made all the tabloid headlines. Gaz also mentioned them how fans our forum wrote "what's next? Tom Sneddon?"

Gaz told them about fans concerns about high ticket prices and how much - if any- money was going to the charities. The answer was same old, same old with no real answer or further clarification.

Gaz mentioned their FAQ and how it said that artists would perform their own songs as well. GLE reps told him it was an internal error due to being hundreds of people working on this tribute concert.

Finally we recommended them contacting the Estate and taking their advice. GLE reps told us that they were working with the Jackson family and not the Estate.

As you can see although Global Live is trying to appear like they are listening to the fans, they aren't hearing what we are telling them. So we don't expect Global Live to make any changes to correct these fan concerns. As mentioned above we weren't impressed with the conference call and the answers we got and it didn't resolve anything for MJJC. Our position stands.

edited to add: Gaz also mentioned them how they blamed the fans for misinformation and misunderstanding. This wasn't the case and our issues and stand was based on what they said and done and none of our issues came from side sources but their own pages and statements.
 
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For a family that has been on the business for so many years, it's amazing how little they know about the business and how they keep making the one mistake after the other.
 
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Thanks Ivy, it's even worse than what I thought...
 
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Those answers came via email. The call is scheduled for tomorrow.

I'm really confused now. Or maybe just being slow but...these questions and answers...are they between...Gaz and GLE? or GLE and who? Does this mean questions had to be submitted in advance? I thought the call already happened? I thought the calls had all finished... Does this mean..no one has actually spoken with GLE? Or only some?
 
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I'm really confused now. Or maybe just being slow but...these questions and answers...are they between...Gaz and GLE? or GLE and who? Does this mean questions had to be submitted in advance? I thought the call already happened? I thought the calls had all finished... Does this mean..no one has actually spoken with GLE? Or only some?

Sorry if I wasnt clear enough,Cinzia, doing 12 things at the same time. :/

Some of the administrators of Fans Against MFT sent their questions to GLE via email. Those are the answers they got so far. Their "conference call" is supposed to happen tomorrow. I guess we were all expecting one big call gathering many fan groups , but they chose to call one group after the other.
 
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Well, we get to deal with BS that comes with witnessing the Jacksons in action.

The fans have been responsible for ensuring Michael Jackson's legacy a hundred times over the last two years - in times of crisis it's been the fans who have the immediate and most critical response. The fans had the autopsy documentary put on the backburner, that pedophile book ditched from the publisher's after we exposed the people behind it, who got his name cleared in the school, the fans who spend our time and money creating websites and tirelessly TIRELESSLY going through archives and blogs and news sites and contacting dozens and dozens of people around him ourselves to find info to help clear MJ's name and help corroborate facts. We don't get ANY help from the Jacksons over this. We reach out to them, get nothing. We're the ones who went running around during the Aaron Carter mess digging through her website to find the real interview, making that info go viral, contacting Aaron and his people via twitter, writing letters, working behind the scenes - that incident taught me so much about what we can expect from the Jacksons and how important we the fans are as a community. The fans would NEVER have made the mistake of inviting Gene damned Simmons to a tribute concert, or would pose for photos with Victor Gutierrez or continue to work with Stacy Brown. The fans would never have his children pose with cheap cologne lines, of signing them up to contracts, or working with dodgy charities.

That's why most of us don't care about what they do now, we just want them to stay away from harming his legacy or his children, which of course is too much to ask for.

How can they not understand our anger when they are so oblivious to the harm they do? This is beyond anything, I mean, the situation with them is a farce, they are so absolutely blinded to the reality of how they are perceived, not just by us, but by people in their own music industry. And it's just like MJ - he cut them off and instead of reflecting on what they did, they blame drugs, they make him sound like a bad parent, and with us they just blame us for being crazy or whatever, and just go on to another crazy scheme with some other dodgy wheeler-dealer and drag MJ's name through the dirt all over again so we have to go and clear it up. They learn nothing. It's like a cartoon series and they are the crazy villains we have to outwit. It's comical at this point, beyond the point of absurdity. I don't even know what can be said or done at this point for them to realize that they cannot keep doing this and expect some kind of grateful joyous reaction from us.
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The sad thing is the family has the platform to do all of the things that the fans have done tirelessly. Yet they do these interviews and fail to say anything or very little to enhance and preserve Michael's legacy.
 
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I added this part as well

edited to add: Gaz also mentioned them how they blamed the fans for misinformation and misunderstanding. This wasn't the case and our issues and stand was based on what they said and done and none of our issues came from side sources but their own pages and statements.
 
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The sad thing is the family has the platform to do all of the things that the fans have done tirelessly.
Yet they do these interviews and fail to say anything or very little to enhance and preserve Michael's legacy.

YES THIS! They are in an INCREDIBLY privileged position about this and they constantly fail to use it for anything truly positive. How can Kathy Hilton in one interview defend Michael so much more beautifully than his own sister's Janet, Toya or Rebbie have done in the last two years? Or even his mother? How can his BG choke up with tears on TV talking about Michael's relationship with his kids and his family acts like they're prisoners who've been freed?

Imagine if we as fans could get some prime time TV with Oprah, the View ladies, or anyone else? Imagine what we'd be saying? The photos and stories we'd share to try and really bring about change? We'd be like Amy Winehouse's family, another comparison that the Jacksons fall short to. The very day Amy died her father said he wanted to start up a charity in her name to help addicts - the next week he was meeting with members of parliament to help move it through, he is absolutely serious and committed to creating a legitimate charity to honor her memory and his love for her - compare that to Michael's father honoring his son with vodka, her family have defended her despite the drug use and said she wasn't on illegal drugs at the time of her death, people scoffed at them but they were right, and they have so far failed to sell tabloid stories about her, how many people even know Amy had a brother? If he were a Jackson he'd have his own reality TV series by now. It's just shameful to compare them to the Jacksons.
 
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It would be good to hear any response re the children! That still sticks in my craw.
 
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has anyone asked them about the children in the terms and conditions....

I did, I had 7 questions only about the children... talked to him for 30 minutes (20 questions + in total) Finished talking an hour ago..
Will carefully replay the call and will write everything down.

There is some crunchy stuff I tell ya.... Can't believe it...
 
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has anyone asked them about the children in the terms and conditions....

gaz planned to but he was out of time :(

There is some crunchy stuff I tell ya.... Can't believe it...

is it going to make us all mad?
 
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Thanks Ivy, so basically everything is the same and GLE is not changing any aspects of the concert. I noticed that they state that this is the Jackson tribute. Good, because now the Estate will do something better. They seem to have this attitude that this will be the only tribute and the greatest. All wishful thinking on their part.
 
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Sorry if I wasnt clear enough,Cinzia, doing 12 things at the same time. :/

Some of the administrators of Fans Against MFT sent their questions to GLE via email. Those are the answers they got so far. Their "conference call" is supposed to happen tomorrow. I guess we were all expecting one big call gathering many fan groups , but they chose to call one group after the other.

Thank you, Ben...only 12 things eh? :cheeky:

They were probably afraid everyone would gang up on them!
 
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After this fiasco, I become more and more admire MJ's strength. Can you image how much crap he had to deal throughout his life? He not only had to deal with the horrible allegation and all the ridiculous accusation from the public to him, he had to deal with all these craziness from his own family. He was really loving and giving to still support his family all through his life and rarely said anything bad to his family. I can't even image how a human being survive through all these for 45 years. MJ is truly a character. I just hope his 3 kids also inherit their father's strength because they really need that for their life.
 
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YES THIS! They are in an INCREDIBLY privileged position about this and they constantly fail to use it for anything truly positive. How can Kathy Hilton in one interview defend Michael so much more beautifully than his own sister's Janet, Toya or Rebbie have done in the last two years? Or even his mother? How can his BG choke up with tears on TV talking about Michael's relationship with his kids and his family acts like they're prisoners who've been freed?

Imagine if we as fans could get some prime time TV with Oprah, the View ladies, or anyone else? Imagine what we'd be saying? The photos and stories we'd share to try and really bring about change? We'd be like Amy Winehouse's family, another comparison that the Jacksons fall short to. The very day Amy died her father said he wanted to start up a charity in her name to help addicts - the next week he was meeting with members of parliament to help move it through, he is absolutely serious and committed to creating a legitimate charity to honor her memory and his love for her - compare that to Michael's father honoring his son with vodka, her family have defended her despite the drug use and said she wasn't on illegal drugs at the time of her death, people scoffed at them but they were right, and they have so far failed to sell tabloid stories about her, how many people even know Amy had a brother? If he were a Jackson he'd have his own reality TV series by now. It's just shameful to compare them to the Jacksons.

I wish us fans could do these shows and it would be a huge difference. I know people don't like them for reasons but the Cascios on Oprah did a better job too. I always keep asking myself why can't his own family talk about him like that? When people bash Michael or try to hurt him now I still hope his family would do something and they don't. It's naive but I still think they might and it's just silence. They just tweet stupid things on twitter and don't address the problems that fans are raising. I can't take anymore the endless promotion of products and things acting like they are stars. Even the media address them as Michael Jackson's.....whatever. Never their own person. They need us and it's not the other way around.
 
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After this fiasco, I become more and more admire MJ's strength. Can you image how much crap he had to deal throughout his life? He not only had to deal with the horrible allegation and all the ridiculous accusation from the public to him, he had to deal with all these craziness from his own family. He was really loving and giving to still support his family all through his life and rarely said anything bad to his family. I can't even image how a human being survive through all these for 45 years. MJ is truly a character. I just hope his 3 kids also inherit their father's strength because they really need that for their life.

I admire Michael too. I never realized how his family could be. I always thought Joe was the problem. I never knew how much Michael did for them and this is how he gets thanked. You would think someone dying would change your outlook or have regrets. It seems like his family didn't learn anything.
 
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:no:



This is a hot mess. From what I've read so far, it is very likely that this crap will not be canceled. They will go ahead with it, no matter what. This family is letting us disappointing... increasingly. Very, very, very sad. :( *big sigh*
 
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tajjackson3 Taj Jackson



I wish some of you could witness the BS we have to deal with as Jacksons.


Dang Taj you make your family sound like a bread of animal. All families have to deal with BS big or small so stop trying to act like your family is special. Weren't you the one who promise to protect Michael's kids yet they still use for schemes and you also knew about Oprah.

This is the main problem with the Jacksons. Their motto is always, 'aren't my fault'. It is especially funny when you consider that the family more or less had a free pass when Michael was alive. He caught all the BS while other had being deadbeat fathers, going to jail for spousal abuse, and doing one fail scheme after another. Now that Michael's is gone the world gets to see what that family truly is and it isn't pretty.

However, it is all well-deserved and in many ways a long time coming.
 
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I wish us fans could do these shows and it would be a huge difference. I know people don't like them for reasons but the Cascios on Oprah did a better job too. I always keep asking myself why can't his own family talk about him like that? When people bash Michael or try to hurt him now I still hope his family would do something and they don't. It's naive but I still think they might and it's just silence. They just tweet stupid things on twitter and don't address the problems that fans are raising. I can't take anymore the endless promotion of products and things acting like they are stars. Even the media address them as Michael Jackson's.....whatever. Never their own person. They need us and it's not the other way around.

Yes they did.

Another person who did a good job just recently shockingly enough was Rabbi Shmuley! He was on the Joy Behr show and he challenged the media's responsibility in discussing the paternity of Michael's children, defended Michael as an "exemplary father" and threw scorn on the family for letting his children be exposed to such things on twitter and for them using his children for profit and promotion. Imagine! The Rabbit of all people!

They lack any kind of self awareness. Sometimes I hope that Jermaine has been humbled by twitter and that his recent tweets showing awareness of Charles Thomson and responding to people like Tatum, Perez, etc, shows some kind of progress with him but I still fear that his book might turn out like LaToya's and that once he's done promoting that he's gonna skitter away again. And they're all in their 60s and 80s now, I think most are too old to change, they seem very set in their ways and using Michael's name self servingly and throwing him to the dogs when they need to and associating with shady people is just a career choice with them and has been for many decades now. People say Mike forgave some of them, that's fine and dandy, but I only forgive people when I believe they intend to change, are truly aware of the harm they caused by what they did (remember Michael crying saying "Do you even know what you've done?" about his father - the answer was no, not at all) and if they feel genuine remorse and I just don't believe many of them do.
 
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Well let's see what happens tomorrow, not that I expect anything new.
 
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Start acting respectfully, and maybe the BS you have to deal with will disappear.

:clap: This is what the jacksons seriously need to hear! when i was a child i aways had major love to each of them (apart from joe) but as i grew olderi realised the truth of it all. The truth that they only seemed to only care bout themselves & not the pain that mj had been going through over the years.
 
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is it going to make us all mad?


Maybe... some things are....wow...... It'll take some time before I'm able to get the whole thing written properly, we've talked a lot and I asked many questions and I'm alone to do all this, I hope to be able to do it during the weekend.. and since english ian't my first language... well, I'll do my best :)

one thing I can say now is that I also asked if money from the tickets would be given to the charities, and after answering his same sentences, he finally said that they planned to give 1 pound per ticket.

And when I asked if the kids would be performing at the concert he said ABSOLUTELY NOT! So.. at least one good news, hoping it's true.
 
Carinemjj;3473046 said:
one thing I can say now is that I also asked if money from the tickets would be given to the charities, and after answering his same sentences, he finally said that they planned to give 1 pound per ticket.

1 pound per ticket? seriously?

so there's 75,000 capacity. even if the concert is sold out they would give £ 75,000 (75,000 * 1 pound) s to charity? and even every ticket is sold at the lowest price of £ 55 minus 1 pound for charity they would keep (54 * 75,000 )over 4 million pounds to themselves.
 
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1 pound per ticket? seriously?

so there's 75,000 capacity. even if the concert is sold out they would give 75,000 (75,000 * 1 pound) pounds to charity? and even every ticket is sold at the lowest price of 55 pounds minus 1 pound for charity they would keep (54 * 75,000 )over 4 million pounds to themselves.

Well, I started my question telling that on my old Janet Jackson ticket from 1998, it was clearly written that 0,25$ would go to America's Promise, then I asked him if a pourcentage or an amount of money from the ticket would be given to the charities and if it was gonna be clearly written on the ticket.
 
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:) I'm not spreading , just replied. but that 1 pound per ticket thing is hilarious imo.
 
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No problem :)

Well, 1 pound is at least 1 pound... if it's true ;)

Don't forget they they,ll also get the profits and the fans pledge! :lol:
 
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Yes they did.

Another person who did a good job just recently shockingly enough was Rabbi Shmuley! He was on the Joy Behr show and he challenged the media's responsibility in discussing the paternity of Michael's children, defended Michael as an "exemplary father" and threw scorn on the family for letting his children be exposed to such things on twitter and for them using his children for profit and promotion. Imagine! The Rabbit of all people!

They lack any kind of self awareness. Sometimes I hope that Jermaine has been humbled by twitter and that his recent tweets showing awareness of Charles Thomson and responding to people like Tatum, Perez, etc, shows some kind of progress with him but I still fear that his book might turn out like LaToya's and that once he's done promoting that he's gonna skitter away again. And they're all in their 60s and 80s now, I think most are too old to change, they seem very set in their ways and using Michael's name self servingly and throwing him to the dogs when they need to and associating with shady people is just a career choice with them and has been for many decades now. People say Mike forgave some of them, that's fine and dandy, but I only forgive people when I believe they intend to change, are truly aware of the harm they caused by what they did (remember Michael crying saying "Do you even know what you've done?" about his father - the answer was no, not at all) and if they feel genuine remorse and I just don't believe many of them do.

The Rabbi guy did that? I am surprised. I think Jermaine is trying to get on the "good graces" with fans because of his book. I wish I didn't think that way but I can't help it. He does do a better job in talking about Michael than the others I will give him that. If Michael forgave his family he sure didn't forget as his will shows. Even his mother doesn't get to keep anything. It all goes back to his kids as I think it should. Even people who don't like Michael don't approve of the way his family is acting. Everytime I think I can't be more surprised by their behavior they top it with something else. It's sad.
 
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The Rabbi did something good, after his shameful behavior before, so that is nice of him.

Ivy we really cannot believe anything GLE or their spokes people say during a call, since they are not adhearing 100% to what is written on their FB. Didn't they say many people were working on the page which caused the differences in what they say and what was on FB. It is hard to trust them in reference to what percentage of the money will go to XYZ. According to Hunt the family will not get money and the tribute is not being done for money. I think this was stated in the reports yesterday.
 
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Its funny how the ppl who hate michael with a passion come out saying " michael would not want his kids in this situation" and act all lovey dovey bout him.
 
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