MJ Forever Tribute/ MJJC Statement / Estate statement / Fan letter pg51/ GLE put on administration

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@Elusive, you mean the numbers? Someone posted it on their FB page. That's why I said I didnt know how reliable it was.
 
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I dont know what it's worth, but I found this in the Money forever tribute page :

[h=6]Why is some weirdo going round congratulating people who have a ticket, as though they've won the lottery? LOL these tickets are so easy to get, a Martian could get one, or even 68,000 - hint hint. What can I say, insider information :) Don't believe GLE, they are spinning yarns.[/h]

Lol - Money Forever Tribute!
 
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Elusive, I know the cannot use his full name, but I want them to drop the Michael since we all know which michael they are talking about. That is why I wondering about a loophole because his estate is not getting part of the money, sort of like unfair competition. However I guess the estate has a plan.

Funny how after we know who is involved in an organization, they decide to remove names from the list, thinking there is no proof that they are involved.

Guys, if we look at this carefully all the crooks that try to use Michael for money are involved, except maybe the woman from the heal the world foundation.

They can't make them drop the name Michael because the name itself is not copyrighted. Only the name 'Michael Jackson' is within the estate control. Michael is a common boy's name and the estate can't legally make them drop the name even if everyone knows it is Michael Jackson. They can also call the tribute 'King of Pop' since that title is also not copyrighted by the estate.

So far the Jacksons has been very careful this time not using Michael's likeness and has been using very clever roundabouts that make you think of Michael without bridging the estate. They can also sing and perform all of Michael's songs as long as they don't attempt to sell the concert on DVD or pay-per-view.
 
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They can also sing and perform all of Michael's songs
thats debatable according to many reports. and my own experience
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

@Elusive, you mean the numbers? Someone posted it on their FB page. That's why I said I didnt know how reliable it was.
ok
thanks can u link to the page
 
Paul Ring, US chief of GLE, said: ... “With an event like this it is hard to get so many headliners to confirm, but once a few have confirmed it is like a domino effect.

Seems like a rather odd thing to say. With an event like what? A tribute? Any tribute? A tribute to Michael? A charity tribute to Michael Jackson?
Or a mismanaged, misleading and deceiving concert for the destitute Jackson Family fund which has raised ire and anger from the beginning?
I'm still unimpressed by the lineup.
Michael had international appeal. Aren't there any artists from other countries who would be interested?

And I still want to know why if GLE is the organization doing this, what is the purpose of GS Global Live LTD?
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

thats debatable according to many reports. and my own experience

Other artists have covered Michael's song without permission from the estate. Why do you think those tributes could happen or you could sing the songs yourself and put them up on youtube? If it was really illegally MTV and BET could had been sued when they had those tribute sections for Michael. The same with Madonna when she had a Michael impostor dance on her concert stage along with one of his songs playing and Prince covering 'What to be Startin Something'.

As long as they don't try to sell the property the estate cannot legally say they can't sing Michael's song as a homage. If they did try to go into that direction, it opens a whole can of worms I doubt they want to open.
 
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Ticketmaster seem not to be selling tickets anymore. Wonder why.
 
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This is the transcript from Showbiz Tonight regarding Gene Simmons:

Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m Carlos Diaz, in for A.J. Hammer. And right now, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is breaking big news – did Gene Simmons just call Michael Jackson a child molester again?

Gene Simmons and Kiss were just forced to pull out of a big Michael Jackson tribute concert his family is putting together after outraged Michael fans around the world pointed out, hey, isn`t that the same guy who said he believed Michael was a child molester?

SHOWBIZ TONIGHT caught up with Gene in Hollywood and he`s not backing down. Watch what he revealed exclusively to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.

SIMMONS: Well, I mean, it had to come to that. I refuse to take back my words. I stand by every word I said. I admire the man and his music, not so much the man in his private life.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DIAZ: Gene, I admire you but, remember, Michael was never found guilty of a single charge of child abuse. With me tonight in New York is attorney Midwin Charles of Midwin Charles and Associates. And from Hollywood tonight, defense attorney Debra Opri.

Gene Simmons kicked off this whole controversy when he told a rock magazine there had been too many accusations against Michael Jackson for them not to be true.

Listen to what Gene said, “Where there`s smoke, there`s fire. There`s no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt.”

Midwin, is it time for Gene Simmons to just shut up about this? Or is what he is saying what a lot of people still believe?

MIDWIN CHARLES, ATTORNEY, MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES: Well, I don`t think he should shut up. What he`s saying is what a lot of people still believe. And remember, there were two separate allegations. One resulted in settlement. The second one resulted in a trial.

So what he`s saying isn`t unorthodox. It`s not unreasonable, given the facts. And he`s entitled to speak his mind.

DIAZ: Debra Opri, what do you think? Should Gene Simmons leave this alone?

DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I have a little personal vested interest in this, because I represented Katherine and Joe. I adore the family then. I adore them now.

I believe, out of context, he can make a statement. It`s First Amendment, but how stupid is he to accept an invitation to play at a celebration of Michael and his music? He can`t have it both ways. And I think the fans –

DIAZ: But, Debra, in all honesty –

OPRI: Those fans – no, Carlos. The fans – the fans have been the leading, leading key to the success of the Jackson family. And they still cater to the fans and, well, they should because Michael was a very talented musician. And I feel for the family that this happened.

DIAZ: But Debra, don`t you see the weirdness in what you just said? It was dumb for him to accept the invitation. Wasn`t it dumber, if you will, for them to extend the invitation?

OPRI: Well, if they didn`t or weren`t aware of his statements prior, it is an oversight. It is not a good oversight, but it was an oversight. And the fans caught it in seconds and they immediately backpedaled.

So it just tells you who is surrounding Katharine Jackson in terms of the promoters and what they`re doing. I think should fleshed all of this out prior to. Does he ever have the right to make his comments? Yes. But certainly, don`t participate in an event like this after making these statements. You know it`s two-faced.

DIAZ: All right. We expect more big Michael Jackson news to break tomorrow. There`s another hearing leading up to the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray on charges he was responsible for Michael`s death.
 
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Other artists have covered Michael's song without permission from the estate. Why do you think those tributes could happen or you could sing the songs yourself and put them up on youtube? If it was really illegally MTV and BET could had been sued when they had those tribute sections for Michael. The same with Madonna when she had a Michael impostor dance on her concert stage along with one of his songs playing and Prince covering 'What to be Startin Something'.

As long as they don't try to sell the property the estate cannot legally say they can't sing Michael's song as a homage. If they did try to go into that direction, it opens a whole can of worms I doubt they want to open.
how do u know they didnt get permission.

re my own experience i work in a music venue were the lead singer of oasis performed a few months back dunno if usa ppl know who they are? bascially 2 brothers in a band they split up on bad terms and the lead singer who wasnt the song writer did a show at my venue but the show was only an hour long cause according to the venue manager his bro who wrote vertually all the songs refused him permission to perform the songs he wrote. i also remember this being discussed years back interms of tecniqually (sp) rod temperton could have refused mj permission to sing thriller

and throw in the organisers have said the artists are only doing one mj song now and not two as stated before
 
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how do u know they didnt get permission.

re my own experience i work in a music venue were the lead singer of oasis performed a few months back dunno if usa ppl know who they are? bascially 2 brothers in a band they split up on bad terms and the lead singer who wasnt the song writer did a show at my venue but the show was only an hour long cause according to the venue manager his bro who wrote vertually all the songs refused him permission to perform the songs he wrote. i also remember this being discussed years back interms of tecniqually (sp) rod temperton could have refused mj permission to sing thriller

and throw in the organisers have said the artists are only doing one mj song now and not two as stated before


I don't know about Prince, but Madonna did her tribute before the estate was even form. The same with BET when they did their tribute to Michael. MTV may or may not asked the estate, but we can't really know either way.

As for the brothers the biggest different was joint ownership issues and he wanted to be payed to perform those songs. We are talking about a homage and the estate would look like dicks if they try to say you had to pay or ask their permission to do a tribute. They may have the legal leeway, but there is a different between legal rights and moral rights.

This tribute is in a gray area because you are paying to hear Michael's songs, but the suppose premise is to honor Michael and it is only right to ask for payment for such a huge undertaking. Which is why the estate hasn't stepped in taken legal actions, but instead simply gave a warning. Most likely GL may not want to test the waters in this area so they are taking the easy way out.

Also, the whole detail for song writing varies. When you sell your songs you lose all legal right to it. So the artist you sold it to can do anything they want and the song writer has no legal right refuse permission. I am certain Michael made all his song writers sign a contract that states that the songs are legally his, but the song writer receives a percentage of unit sells and the ability to perform and sell the song themselves without permission from Michael. That is usually how song writing contract work so I don't believe Rob Temperton could ban Michael from singing those songs.
 
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Debra Opri! What a blast from the past. It is unclear if she is till in contact with the family, so alot of what she said may be supposition and speculation. But it is interesting that she thinks that KISS was invited and did not approach the organisers.

Why KISS of all rock groups? Michael worked closely with Slash and that would have made more sense. Why KISS?

Now, I never expected that the lives of the Jacksons revolved around all that was going on with Michael. They had/have their own lives, ambitions and plans. However, since his death the Jacksons have a special responsibility to KNOW what was going on in Michael's life, if they want to "protect his legacy". Michael was severely maligned by the press, other celebrities and the man on the street. He endured a public trial for child molestation that put his whole life on display. And for years before that he was ridiculed and scorned. Therefore "protecting his legacy" is not a straight-forward thing. It has many layers and many things to take into consideration. You have to know your facts, you have to do your research.

The "oversight" to which the Opri interview referred to is inexusable because a simple search on Google would have shown how Simmons felt about Michael.

If I was a suspicious, paranoid person I would say maybe a certain Jackson was aware of Simmons' comments (since she made similar ones in the past) and in her passive-aggressive way decided to "invite" him to perform. I mean why KISS!!!!?
 
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They are still selling
 
la_cienega;3468094 said:
This is the transcript from Showbiz Tonight regarding Gene Simmons:

Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m Carlos Diaz, in for A.J. Hammer. And right now, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is breaking big news – did Gene Simmons just call Michael Jackson a child molester again?

Gene Simmons and Kiss were just forced to pull out of a big Michael Jackson tribute concert his family is putting together after outraged Michael fans around the world pointed out, hey, isn`t that the same guy who said he believed Michael was a child molester?

SHOWBIZ TONIGHT caught up with Gene in Hollywood and he`s not backing down. Watch what he revealed exclusively to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.

SIMMONS: Well, I mean, it had to come to that. I refuse to take back my words. I stand by every word I said. I admire the man and his music, not so much the man in his private life.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DIAZ: Gene, I admire you but, remember, Michael was never found guilty of a single charge of child abuse. With me tonight in New York is attorney Midwin Charles of Midwin Charles and Associates. And from Hollywood tonight, defense attorney Debra Opri.

Gene Simmons kicked off this whole controversy when he told a rock magazine there had been too many accusations against Michael Jackson for them not to be true.

Listen to what Gene said, “Where there`s smoke, there`s fire. There`s no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt.”

Midwin, is it time for Gene Simmons to just shut up about this? Or is what he is saying what a lot of people still believe?

MIDWIN CHARLES, ATTORNEY, MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES: Well, I don`t think he should shut up. What he`s saying is what a lot of people still believe. And remember, there were two separate allegations. One resulted in settlement. The second one resulted in a trial.

So what he`s saying isn`t unorthodox. It`s not unreasonable, given the facts. And he`s entitled to speak his mind.

DIAZ: Debra Opri, what do you think? Should Gene Simmons leave this alone?

DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I have a little personal vested interest in this, because I represented Katherine and Joe. I adore the family then. I adore them now.

I believe, out of context, he can make a statement. It`s First Amendment, but how stupid is he to accept an invitation to play at a celebration of Michael and his music? He can`t have it both ways. And I think the fans –

DIAZ: But, Debra, in all honesty –

OPRI: Those fans – no, Carlos. The fans – the fans have been the leading, leading key to the success of the Jackson family. And they still cater to the fans and, well, they should because Michael was a very talented musician. And I feel for the family that this happened.

DIAZ: But Debra, don`t you see the weirdness in what you just said? It was dumb for him to accept the invitation. Wasn`t it dumber, if you will, for them to extend the invitation?

OPRI: Well, if they didn`t or weren`t aware of his statements prior, it is an oversight. It is not a good oversight, but it was an oversight. And the fans caught it in seconds and they immediately backpedaled.

So it just tells you who is surrounding Katharine Jackson in terms of the promoters and what they`re doing. I think should fleshed all of this out prior to. Does he ever have the right to make his comments? Yes. But certainly, don`t participate in an event like this after making these statements. You know it`s two-faced.

DIAZ: All right. We expect more big Michael Jackson news to break tomorrow. There`s another hearing leading up to the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray on charges he was responsible for Michael`s death.

^^ What disasterous PR, and so soon before jury selection. Who is this Deborah person, couldn't they get TMez. All she said was that they shouldn't have invited Gene,whereas the other guy went in hard and trotted out all the abuse allegations.

This is what makes me so angry at this Global/Jacksons tribute. It's not only an incompetently run concert with an embarrassingly bad lineup, but with the inclusion/exclusion of kiss it has put the abuse allegations centre stage again. EVERY news article on this supposedly postive tribute to MJ's artistry mentions Simmon's comments on MJ being a p*** and how MJ stood trial on child abuse charges and was acquitted, you know how the media doesn't miss an opportunity and this has been handed to them on a plate, wrapped up in a bow. And the icing on the cake, the fans care more about this than the family.
 
OPRI: Those fans – no, Carlos. The fans – the fans have been the leading, leading key to the success of the Jackson family. And they still cater to the fans and, well, they should because Michael was a very talented musician. And I feel for the family that this happened.
I would like some examples of the Jackson family catering to 'the fans' cos in all my years, Michael aside, I can't think of any.

OPRI: Well, if they didn`t or weren`t aware of his statements prior, it is an oversight. It is not a good oversight, but it was an oversight. And the fans caught it in seconds and they immediately backpedaled.
That is a pretty big oversight, and their 'backpeddalling' wasn't exactly immediate. If they (the family) cared about 'the fans' you would think they would have made a statement direct to us.
 
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[If I was a suspicious, paranoid person I would say maybe a certain Jackson was aware of Simmons' comments (since she made similar ones in the past) and in her passive-aggressive way decided to "invite" him to perform. I mean why KISS!!!!?[/QUOTE]

^^ I'm glad you said this as I felt a bad person for thinking similar in my more paranoid moments. I think in Latoya's world all publicity is good publicity and this invitation certainly got publicity. The music world, especially when MJ died, were incredibly respectful towards him and so Gene's comments were extremely unusual and stood out, which made kiss's invitation so bizarre.
 
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Opri. Jeez thats a blast from the past.seems all these ppl crawl out from under their rocks when something haps.i guess they better milk it while they can.

Can we put this simmons rubbish to bed now though.no need to keep reporting on what that fool and others say
 
@Elusive, sorry, you're right, I was on ticketmaster US, and I'm not sure it's the same show. My bad, thanks for correcting. How many Michael Jackson tribute shows are there anyway??


http://www.billboard.com/news/jacks...-organizers-cite-sour-grapes-1005330442.story
Jackson Concert Organizers Cite Sour Grapes, Misinformation in Opposition



by Jason Newman, N.Y. | août 26, 2011 1:30 EDT



As preparations continue for the upcoming Michael Jackson tribute concert, the show's organizers have been forced to go on the defensive after numerous Jackson fan clubs and two of the singer's brothers have publicly condemned the tribute.

Michael Forever: The Tribute Concert, set to take place October 8 in Wales' 75,000-capacity Millennium Stadium, will feature performances by Christina Aguilera, Cee-Lo Green, Smokey Robinson and Ne-Yo, though its proximity to the September 20 manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray has troubled some of Jackson's fans and family.


"Staging the concert during his manslaughter trial isn't the right time," Gary Taylor, owner of the 80,000-member Jackson fan club MJJ Community, tells Billboard.com. "The fans are going to hear and see things that will be very hard to handle emotionally. The last thing they want to do is celebrate tribute-style to MJ. We're not saying to cancel it completely, but we will not support this concert one bit unless it's moved outside of the Murray trial. Otherwise, the concert will just have a load of Christina Aguilera and Cee-Lo fans."



Taylor's group recently spearheaded an open letter speaking out against the concert signed by 35 Jackson fan clubs around the world.


Last month, Jackson's brothers Jermaine and Randy issued a statement denouncing the event, stating, in part, "While we wholeheartedly support the spirit of a tribute that honors our brother, we find it impossible to support an event that is due to take place during the criminal trial surrounding Michael's death."

Chris Hunt, President of Global Live Events, the UK-based production company organizing the concert, told Billboard.com that misinformation and ulterior motives were driving much of the protests. "I don't give a lot of credence to the 'It's disrespectful to do this during a trial' argument," Hunt tells us. "I like Jermaine and hope that he participates, but he also tried to set something up like this on two occasions and didn't succeed. You wonder if there's some of that in the back of his mind as well. I don't think there's any inappropriateness about having the concert three weeks after the trial may or may not start. What is wrong with a celebration of a great man's life at such a time?"

Many of Jackson's family have agreed to participate in the concert, either as performers or producers of the show. In a joint statement to Billboard, Jackson's brothers Jackie, Marlon and Tito said, "When we were approached to do this show, we thought it was important for us to say yes as our mother has endorsed this event and we wanted to support her with this tribute to our brother Michael. We feel this tribute would be something Michael would be proud of. I know our mother is thrilled that we are able to share this special event with her as well as all of Michael's fans. We look forward to seeing you all there."

While Global Live did not require the Jackson estate's permission to stage the upcoming concert in the UK, Howard Weitzman, representing the estate, issued a strongly worded letter to the company earlier this month. The letter outlined "multiple concerns" about the concert, including questions about the event's charitable donations and a clause in the ticket's Terms and Conditions stating "If 50% or more of the number of contracted artistes attend and perform the concert will take place and no refunds will be offered."

"How can you have a concert where you put in small print, 'We can't be responsible for artists not turning up'?," Taylor says. "What sort of concert is that? These people are clueless."



Concertgoers are encouraged to add on to the ticket's cost for charitable donations, though Hunt states that a "significant amount" of the proceeds, regardless of ticket buyers' contributions, will go to AIDS Project Los Angeles and UK youth charity The Prince's Trust. Organizers are also setting up a trust fund for Jackson's children in excess of $100,000 with Jackson's mother Katherine as trustee.


A number of fan clubs -- and posters on Facebook -- have erroneously disseminated news that invited artists will perform their own songs, a point Hunt vehemently denied. "All the songs in the tribute are Michael Jackson's either from The Jackson 5, The Jacksons era or his solo career," Hunt says. "Every one. Period."



Tickets for the concert, ranging in price from 55 to 240 pounds ($90-360), went on sale Wednesday. The concert is scheduled to be broadcast around the world on paid television channels.



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Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

PS to Hunt : you're a moron, we havent disseminated anything, it was posted on YOUR FB PAGE, you IDIOT!!
 
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What a lieing fool someone got/get a screen cap and send it to the magazine and hunt.

And they admit the money for the kids has gone to katherine lol.the estate should request the money
 
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Concertgoers are encouraged to add on to the ticket's cost for charitable donations, though Hunt states that a "significant amount" of the proceeds, regardless of ticket buyers' contributions, will go to AIDS Project Los Angeles and UK youth charity The Prince's Trust. Organizers are also setting up a trust fund for Jackson's children in excess of $100,000 with Jackson's mother Katherine as trustee.
This trust fund is still really p*ssing me off

A number of fan clubs -- and posters on Facebook -- have erroneously disseminated news that invited artists will perform their own songs, a point Hunt vehemently denied. "All the songs in the tribute are Michael Jackson's either from The Jackson 5, The Jacksons era or his solo career," Hunt says. "Every one. Period."

YOU LYING B*STARD - THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ADVERTISED
^^^^^^^^^^thats me shouting, just so you know!
 
Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

That's an interesting billboard article. They've decided to do all MJ songs now, they say its been televised so they must have got estate permission (disappointing). But they've def changed their minds as they clearly stated artists were doing their own stuff.

What's with the protests being about misinformation and ulterior motives? All our information has been based on the facts they've presented to us, it's just that we don't like them! And what's ulterior about wanting the very best for MJ's legacy?
 
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What a lieing fool someone got/get a screen cap and send it to the magazine and hunt.

And they admit the money for the kids has gone to katherine lol.the estate should request the money

Hahah yeah, they really should
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Send it to billboard.do they have a comnents section on the article.and post it on the f.b site.

Nice to see how rattled they are getting.dont f*** with mjs army of love
 
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