MJ Forever Tribute/ MJJC Statement / Estate statement / Fan letter pg51/ GLE put on administration

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^^I think they are hoping that they will make enough money from this shady deal so they will not have to sell products to us in the future. They feel time is running out. Notice, follow the money LaToya did not make much from her book, so she had to have a back up plan--the concert.
 
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I read your entire post with interest, I just want to reply to one thing though, but that doesn't mean I don't get where you are coming from or that I'm dismissing everything else you said.

See the underlined part of this paragraph - I can only speak for myself, I know that a lot of people out there love their stereotypes (which, for me, is stupidity), I see people as individuals. Or in this case a family as just one family, and there are probably, hopefully some people even in this family, who are not really like the rest or won't be when they get older (I'm not talking about Michael's children, but there are other children/young family members in this family, a family also consists of individuals). Just because they act the way they do would never in a million years make me think that all black people or black families (with money and power or without) are like that. In fact, that thought never even crossed my mind once ever.

Still, I know where you are coming from, like I said, sadly, a lot of people love their stereotypes, and that is one thing that is wrong with this world. What I wanted to tell you is that there are still people in this world who are not like that. Maybe in my case is has to do with my own life experience, you should see my family (and I'm white). And how I'm so different than the rest of them that when I was younger, probably because I felt so lost with them, I thought sometimes that I must be adopted (I knew I wasn't though).

The Jacksons do stand out for me, but because of their actions, not because of their skin color.

Hi, Milka. I'd like to try to address this, although it remains a very touchy subject. I'll do the best I can? People ARE individuals, but that does not mean that CULTURE, and history, are not also real, and affect people. Yes, there are stereotypes, and we must see through those, to perceive the individuals. However, there is also a HISTORY here, and a legacy. In the U.S., the field is STILL not level for the races. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough. YES, we do have a black president, and that is a lot of progress. But, it's not OVER. We are not THERE, yet.

There are more black men in prisons, then there are black men in colleges! That is NOT right, and is indicative of a HUGE cultural problem, where the field is still not level, nor equal. In terms of economics, there is still discrimination and disadvantage. The Jacksons are REAL people, but they were/are also symbolic of success, and possibilities. It would have been SO much better, if they'd been exemplary, and had succeeded. But, as we now see, they DIDN'T. That is an opportunity lost. They have personal and family glitches, that are really, REALLY bad. NOT "racial," nor stereotypical. Just. . .wrong.

Michael was a vanguard human-being, for racial equality. He was the FIRST cross-over artist, on MTV. A BLACK artist. That had NEVER happened before, in this country. He gave so many other people hope, and he broke down barriers. Maybe HE was adopted? He seems not to FIT with that family. They are individuals, but they are also EXAMPLES, like it, or not. That is not a matter of "stereotypes," but HISTORY. Michael was the FIRST black artist, to break down those racial barriers. And THAT is important. One would have hoped, that his family would have behaved well, and would have continued his example of inclusion. In that, they have failed to carry on Michael's legacy. In a perfect world, it is not right, nor fair, that Michael would have had to work SO hard, to "cross-over." But, in this country, that was the reality, and he paved the way for so many other black artists, to do the same.

I hope that makes some sense?
 
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His mother Katherine said: "It is with great gratitude for me to give my complete blessing and full support to what I consider to be the one and only Official Michael Jackson Tribute Concert.

Just for saying "the one and only Official Michael Jackson Tribute Concert" the estate should stop this mess and sue them. Don't they understand that anything Official about Michael Jackson comes from the estate and not from Katherine.

This tribute is not meant to be. They planned a tribute with no singer lined up. Now look what happened, they have to beg/stalk the singers.

I don't want this concert to happen but I wonder, why all the singers who say they looked up to Michael didn't get together and did a tribute to Michael?
 
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@Petrarose & Myosotis.

I was so confused thinking that there was another concert and that Jermaine was involved in one of them. Now things are clear, even when is a mess. Thanks to both.
 
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Hi, Milka. I'd like to try to address this, although it remains a very touchy subject. I'll do the best I can? People ARE individuals, but that does not mean that CULTURE, and history, are not also real, and affect people. Yes, there are stereotypes, and we must see through those, to perceive the individuals. However, there is also a HISTORY here, and a legacy. In the U.S., the field is STILL not level for the races. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough. YES, we do have a black president, and that is a lot of progress. But, it's not OVER. We are not THERE, yet.

There are more black men in prisons, then there are black men in colleges! That is NOT right, and is indicative of a HUGE cultural problem, where the field is still not level, nor equal. In terms of economics, there is still discrimination and disadvantage. The Jacksons are REAL people, but they were/are also symbolic of success, and possibilities. It would have been SO much better, if they'd been exemplary, and had succeeded. But, as we now see, they DIDN'T. That is an opportunity lost. They have personal and family glitches, that are really, REALLY bad. NOT "racial," nor stereotypical. Just. . .wrong.

Michael was a vanguard human-being, for racial equality. He was the FIRST cross-over artist, on MTV. A BLACK artist. That had NEVER happened before, in this country. He gave so many other people hope, and he broke down barriers. Maybe HE was adopted? He seems not to FIT with that family. They are individuals, but they are also EXAMPLES, like it, or not. That is not a matter of "stereotypes," but HISTORY. Michael was the FIRST black artist, to break down those racial barriers. And THAT is important. One would have hoped, that his family would have behaved well, and would have continued his example of inclusion. In that, they have failed to carry on Michael's legacy. In a perfect world, it is not right, nor fair, that Michael would have had to work SO hard, to "cross-over." But, in this country, that was the reality, and he paved the way for so many other black artists, to do the same.

I hope that makes some sense?

Yes, all the things you said are the reason why I said "I can only speak for myself" and that I am very aware of the fact that people love their stereotypes and that we don't live in a perfect world (in this context meaning that I don't doubt her personal experiences and that I can only try to imagine what her life must be like compared, for example, to mine). But that there people out there who are not like that. I wanted her to know that. People like me might not be the majority, but they exist.
 
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^^^^Has anyone sent the link to the on-line team?

I find this quote deeply offensive, second only to them booking Simmons.



I am offended for Michael and the assumption that he has not provided for them.
Question for GL: So no other Jackson is benefitting from this concert?

Don't worry everybody knows that Michael's children and his mother are very well taken care of. Is just that his mother and the media are trying to portray that they're not receiving any money.

Yesterday I saw a clip of Dr. Drew. He said he didn't see anything wrong with the concert because he heard Mrs. Jackson is
saying she's not getting any money from the estate. She's lying and Dr. Drew knows it, but he repeats the lies like everyone else in the media.

It's annoying to hear Dr. Drew repeat those lies, but it's painful to hear Michael's mother saying that and fueling the media against Michael. For a person to be so religious--- i better don't say anything else.
 
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Yes, all the things you said are the reason why I said "I can only speak for myself" and that I am very aware of the fact that people love their stereotypes and that we don't live in a perfect world (in this context meaning that I don't doubt her personal experiences and that I can only try to imagine what her life must be like compared, for example, to mine). But that there people out there who are not like that. I wanted her to know that. People like me might not be the majority, but they exist.

In the U.S., we are FAR from perfect. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough. Stereotypes are interesting? It is NOT good to stereotype people, but yet, there ARE cultural differences, on a continuum? There is also cultural integrity, and it's not always easy to differentiate the two?

I think the POINT is, that Michael did SO much to break down barriers, and like it or not, his family are also representing a cultural difference. And, they are forgetting Michael's example, and behaving BADLY.
 
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In the U.S., we are FAR from perfect. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough. Stereotypes are interesting? It is NOT good to stereotype people, but yet, there ARE cultural differences, on a continuum? There is also cultural integrity, and it's not always easy to differentiate the two?

I think the POINT is, that Michael did SO much to break down barriers, and like it or not, his family are also representing a cultural difference. And, they are forgetting Michael's example, and behaving BADLY.

Yes, they do, and yes, there are cultural differences. There is a huge difference between acknowledging cultural differences (and it would be wrong to act like they don't exist) and stereotyping people. Saying that Michael broke down barriers and in that did a lot for black people and black artists and for the world in general when white artists don't even have to break those barriers in the first place, that's pointing out a cultural difference. Saying that the family makes black people look bad (especially when a white person says that, if a black person says the same, they are coming from a different angle) because they behave badly and "typical" for a black family, that's stereotyping all black people. I don't do that, I don't see it that way, I don't even know how this kind of thinking works (I don't deny that it exists though, I see it almost every day - I live in a very "mixed" neighborhood - that would mean I live in a dreamworld AND would also mean there can never be change).

I agree with everything that you said, my first reply to Ramona was basically meant as a personal view, but thanks for adding the big picture to that. All the things that you said were the reason why I said that I know where she is coming from, without going into much detail, because I don't know how offtopic people consider this in this thread. But yes, I agree and I get what you are saying.
 
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I dont know what it's worth, but I found this in the Money forever tribute page :

[h=6]Why is some weirdo going round congratulating people who have a ticket, as though they've won the lottery? LOL these tickets are so easy to get, a Martian could get one, or even 68,000 - hint hint. What can I say, insider information :) Don't believe GLE, they are spinning yarns.[/h]
 
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I dont know what it's worth, but I found this in the Money forever tribute page :

:crackingup: That's it!

[h=6]Why is some weirdo going round congratulating people who have a ticket, as though they've won the lottery? LOL these tickets are so easy to get, a Martian could get one, or even 68,000 - hint hint. What can I say, insider information :) Don't believe GLE, they are spinning yarns.[/h]

I hope that's true. And I don't mean the part about the Martians.
 
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:crackingup: That's it! I hope that's true. And I don't mean the part about the Martians.

I dont own the copyright, but I think it's so fitting. :hysterical:

Again, re-the figures, idk if it's true or not, that poster was new on the wall. But it's a plausible figure IMO.
 
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^^^^ hmmm that is strange.
 
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Hmm, that number is very low - lower than I expected, even with it being largely ignored in the UK.
IF things don't change quickly then perhaps this concert will be cancelled after all. It just can't continue with so few sales. It's not feasible.

IF they manage to convince a few more major acts to participate AND start some kind of advertising campaign then things could improve for them. I guess a large campaign is out of the question though - that's the trouble with one-off concerts. You have to hope people are naturally drawn to it because you can't afford to spend much to advertise it.
 
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^^^^Radio spots, at least in the states, are really not that expensive, certainly nothing like for television. All they really need to do is be strategic in buying radio airtime, and they could launch an effective radio advertising campaign.

Global was just so arrogant and presumptuous with this whole endeavor. They thought word of mouth and Katherine was all they needed--and word of mouth could have worked if it hadn't been all negative.


ETA: I just spent my daily viewing of some MJ tour clips. Global should have checked some of those out before setting those price tickets. Noboby they put on the Millenium stage is going to have the effect MJ did on an audience singing his songs. For them to set such a high price for others performing what Michael did for less is just flat out crazy--unless it was truly a charity benefit, with the bulk of proceeds going to charity.
 
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Well basically people will pay so much to see those singers perform maybe one MJ song, and then their own material. Which makes it even more expensive.


And I think Rowe's name being removed might have something to do with Ne Yo being added. The coincidence is too big. Too bad we have scree caps... lol
 
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They can try to hide facts but they don't yet realise just how much MJ fans are on to them!!
 
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Excatly we mj fans find out everything and i mean EVERYTHING!
 
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are any other ticket agents selling the tickets bar the offical site and viagogo. wasnt ticketline? as mentioned in a previous article.

*edit* ticketline arent selling them on their website
 
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Apparently Ticketmaster are selling them too. Add all those on Ebay.
 
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Yesterday I saw a clip of Dr. Drew. He said he didn't see anything wrong with the concert because he heard Mrs. Jackson is
saying she's not getting any money from the estate. She's lying and Dr. Drew knows it, but he repeats the lies like everyone else in the media.
Dr. Drew should be arrested for having the title "DR" and is indicative of someone who is biased and does not care for Michael. As a result he allows all this hate to could his judgment, if he has any, and moral stance. Now he knows she is getting money, but he thinks it sounds more controversial to agree that she does not. I hope many people are not still looking at this show to be enlightened. Katherine has been such a catalyst in fueling more Michael related hatred, negative rumors, and causing unhappiness to fans, that sometimes I wonder how an 80 year old could get into so much trouble. personality. Further have you noticed that Drew also knows that they are doing it for money. Even this fool knows that the main idea here is to make money and not to honor Michael. Estate do what you can to have them not even call this thing Michael.

Guys is there a loophole we can find so this concert could remove Michael's name?
 
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Guys is there a loophole we can find so this concert could remove Michael's name?
they cant use his full name to promote it hence it being called forever michael. other than that its upto the estate
 
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Apparently Ticketmaster are selling them too. Add all those on Ebay.

yeah they are and the page has 2! likes from facebook members and one facebook member has bought a ticket lol. its not been advertised on the home page either
 
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so they sold 7,000. There is a figure I can beleive.

Is that a confirmed figure? If so, I'm not surprised the least bit. Flop flop flop.
 
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just what someone posted i think tbh i think its more as if u look on the booking site there a few sections where u cant buy 6 together. only one or two and some none at all
 
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I dont know what it's worth, but I found this in the Money forever tribute page :

[h=6]Why is some weirdo going round congratulating people who have a ticket, as though they've won the lottery? LOL these tickets are so easy to get, a Martian could get one, or even 68,000 - hint hint. What can I say, insider information :) Don't believe GLE, they are spinning yarns.[/h]
Ha Ha, thanks for the laugh. Now we all know that not many tickets have been sold. Unfortunately artists are still agreeing to perform and some people bought tickets. Let's hope they get insufficient sales to justify continuing the variety concert.
 
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Ben where did u hear that about the tick sales?
 
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Elusive, I know the cannot use his full name, but I want them to drop the Michael since we all know which michael they are talking about. That is why I wondering about a loophole because his estate is not getting part of the money, sort of like unfair competition. However I guess the estate has a plan.

Funny how after we know who is involved in an organization, they decide to remove names from the list, thinking there is no proof that they are involved.

Guys, if we look at this carefully all the crooks that try to use Michael for money are involved, except maybe the woman from the heal the world foundation.
 
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