MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint [Merged]

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

hard to say a figure.

but it would be based on the annual income that the Estate brings. In a very very simplified fashion so gross income minus expenses minus costs minus taxes = net income / net profit. divide that net profit by 4 (as long as Katherine is alive) or 3. give that amount to the beneficiary over 21.

That's not going to happen until the estate settles all its debts including estate tax, which still has to be determined. so it's going to take quite a while. until then they will be living off allowances.

 

[Tygger]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Ivy, I have not been following this case however, the case is maybe four/five years old? In that time Mclain was involved in several lucrative projects for the MJ Estate. To suggest a deposition would be stressful is most likely an expensive tactic to prolong the case thereby, draining legal funds for the opposing side. It also drains estate funds.

It is in Mclain's best interest, I believe, to submit to the deposition or he will risk losing an extremely lucrative position.

This tactic by the estate has worked for some time however, this tactic by Tohme's laywer(s) trumps the estate's tactic. This case has to end at some point in time and this will help.

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Ivy, I have not been following this case however, the case is maybe four/five years old? In that time Mclain was involved in several lucrative projects for the MJ Estate. To suggest a deposition would be stressful is most likely an expensive tactic to prolong the case thereby, draining legal funds for the opposing side. It also drains estate funds.

I don't think it's the estate tactic to delay the case. it's actually not in their interests. This is just Tohme looking to bully McClain. Why is McClain's deposition so important if he has no knowledge? What is Tohme looking to get out of it? Why can't Tohme go with Branca's deposition? More importantly Tohme has refused McClain's offer to submit a written deposition. so Tohme is not interested in the deposition per se. he just wants to bully.

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Ivy, I have not been following this case however, the case is maybe four/five years old? In that time Mclain was involved in several lucrative projects for the MJ Estate. To suggest a deposition would be stressful is most likely an expensive tactic to prolong the case thereby, draining legal funds for the opposing side. It also drains estate funds.

Well I disagree with the "expensive tactic to prolong the case" because if you followed the case you would have known that one part of the matter is in front of the labor commissioner and the whole process (briefs, hearings etc) were completed by November 2013. It's been 1 + yr and still labor commissioner hasn't made a decision and the probate court is waiting for that. So I don't think that could be blamed on Estate / McClain.

Also Estate offered a written deposition - which is legally an option- in which Tohme sends written questions and McClain provides written answers - which Tohme refused. then you need to look to this specific situation here. Branca was deposed back in 2012. He said He and Mcclain had no first hand knowledge about Tohme - MJ interactions. This is something we all know to be true because neither Branca nor McClain was MJ's life when Tohme was his manager. So Branca and McClain had no direct / first hand information. Branca also testified they hired a private investigator and filed a lawsuit based on that private investigator report. So I guess any reasonable person can see there's no benefit of deposing McClain in this instance. Weitzman is on record saying McClain focuses on music side of the Estate. We all know that Branca is more hands on and involved in business and legal matters so he is the most informed and knowledgeable person in this regard. McClain has no information and Branca have already been deposed about how and what they both know. So from my perspective this is nothing more than a tactic by Tohme to harass McClain and get the case against him dismissed.

added all together if the case is being prolong by discovery dispute, it's on Tohme. He could have opted to not depose McClain or accept a written deposition. To the contrary he's the one bringing motions and making this issue heard. Again it's a harassment tactic to get Estate drop the case against him.

Also Estate didn't suggest a deposition will be stressful with no basis. His blood pressure spiked and he had doctor notes. I also don't get the logic of "he produced songs so he can be deposed". Every situation is different. For example Just because a person goes to their job doesn't mean they can run a marathon. I don't think stress levels of doing something he love by producing songs versus being grilled by a aggressive lawyer can be compared.

It is in Mclain's best interest, I believe, to submit to the deposition or he will risk losing an extremely lucrative position.

I guess this depends on what you think his "best interest" is. Is it keeping a lucrative position or not having a heart attack?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Thanks for the replies ivy

 

[Tygger]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Passy001, why not submit the deposition and move along? What do you believe is the benefit in not submitting?

Ivy, I appreciate the background details. However; I did not follow the case and no one has to follow the case to know the opposing lawyers are being stubborn against each other for their own perceptive gain.

You cannot reason Mclain participation in several estate projects over time but not being able to complete a deposition in which he will most likely state, as you posted, he has nothing of value to add. That would not be a stressful situation no matter how it is spun. I have no idea if the lawyer(s) are aggressive or not. Did it seem that way as per Branca's deposition if it was publicly available?

The opposing lawyers are simply being stubborn and I would suggest Mclain not find himself between them and jeopardize his position. He can simply submit with a medical professional present.

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

^^

allow me to ask you this? How do you think a deposition happens? That lawyers ask a question, you say you don't know and they say okay and it's over? It's not depositions are pretty much like a testimony in which you can be grilled for days even if your answers consist of "don't know / Don't remember". (remember phillips/ Gongaware testimonies). In addition to that depositions are pretty important and come with consequences including prison time if there's perjury. So it's widely accepted as depositions are unpleasant and stressful situations. So sorry but I'll disagree with you in that regard. From my perspective you cannot reason an opposing lawyer grilling you with a reporter and camera present and under oath and threat of perjury is something not stressful.

(see for example : http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/how-to-avoid-unnecessary-stress-when-asked-to-give-a-deposition and http://www.aasa.org/SchoolAdministratorArticle.aspx?id=16812)

Lawyers mention their desire to grill McClain so I would say they are aggressive. they also complained about Branca being a lawyer and expert about depositions. So to me it looks like their aggressive tactics against Branca didn't work and now they are focusing on harassing the weaker person McClain.

 

[krikzil]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

I have seen firsthand how stressful a deposition can be on parties. We've had more than one person actually pass out/get dizzy due to the stress and/or underlying health issues.

 

[Tygger]

I believe some are supporting Mclain not participating in a deposition because they may believe that is being supportive of the Estate and/or executors. Supporting such inaction is not in Mclain’s best interest if he would prefer to remain a co-executor and/or fans would prefer he remain in his current position.

This has nothing to do with the executors personally or Tohme personally and to imply or believe so is simply incorrect.

The actions of Tohme’s lawyer(s) and the Estate’s lawyer(s) are not particularly original. This is simply opposing lawyers attempting to inconvenience each other whenever and however they can which can prove to be costly. That is neither anti-Estate nor pro-Tohme; it is simply stubbornness by opposing parties.

If Branca’s deposition is not public, I do not see how anyone here can suggest Tohme’s lawyer(s) is or will be so aggressive with Mclain that he could possibly suffer physically. If that was the case, Branca would have most likely complained about such aggressive tactics when he was deposed in 2012.

Is there any reason why Mclain cannot complete the deposition with a medical professional present so that he can retain his co-executor title without risk and continue with his life?

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Passy001, why not submit the deposition and move along? What do you believe is the benefit in not submitting?

McClain offered a written deposition and Tohme refused. this alone suggests that Tohme only wants to bully McClain.

Ivy, I appreciate the background details. However; I did not follow the case and no one has to follow the case to know the opposing lawyers are being stubborn against each other for their own perceptive gain.

This is quite a strong accusation for someone who's not followed the case closely. on what ground then are you basing this accusation? As always, it's seems you've already made up your mind irrespective of the facts presented before you.

You cannot reason Mclain participation in several estate projects over time but not being able to complete a deposition in which he will most likely state, as you posted, he has nothing of value to add. That would not be a stressful situation no matter how it is spun. I have no idea if the lawyer(s) are aggressive or not. Did it seem that way as per Branca's deposition if it was publicly available?

The opposing lawyers are simply being stubborn and I would suggest Mclain not find himself between them and jeopardize his position. He can simply submit with a medical professional present.

You obviously never attended a deposition in your life. it's extremely stressful experience. no wonder MJ always hated lawsuits.
McClain suffers a health condition which can deteriorate to the worst (e.g stroke, heart attack)when exposed to certain level of stress. that's why he's proposing to do a written deposition. but Tohme is refusing. Branca has no health problems, hence could do the oral deposition.

 

[Tygger]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

McClain offered a written deposition and Tohme refused. this alone suggests that Tohme only wants to bully McClain.

These are the actions of opposing lawyers. They are NOT the individual actions of Mclain and/or Tohme.

This is quite a strong accusation for someone who's not followed the case closely.

As someone who has followed the case closely, are you (and others) suggesting Tohme is bullying Mclain as opposed to opposing lawyers inconveniencing each other which happens on a consistent basis?

Can you (and others) name one case you have followed closely just on this forum alone where the opposing lawyers did not try to inconvenience each other whenever and however possible?

If you (and others) truly believe Mclain is being bullied personally by Tohme, why has Mclain not charged Tohme personally with harassment as Mclain has suffered with this personal harassment for over two years now.

You obviously never attended a deposition in your life.

Please do not assume to know what I have done in my lifetime. Please explain, if you can, as others have not, why Mclain cannot complete the deposition with a medical professional present.

There is no benefit to Mclain not submitting to the deposition. It only places his position as co-executor in jeopardy and it is confusing that some would support that.

 

[ivy]

If Branca’s deposition is not public, I do not see how anyone here can suggest Tohme’s lawyer(s) is or will be so aggressive with Mclain that he could possibly suffer physically.

I believe I already wrote Tohme lawyers mention of they want to challenge McClain.

Is there any reason why Mclain cannot complete the deposition with a medical professional present so that he can retain his co-executor title without risk and continue with his life?

Please explain, if you can, as others have not, why Mclain cannot complete the deposition with a medical professional present.

I'm not sure what do you think was not explained. McClain had a stroke in 2005. He is considered to be high risk for future strokes so hence the need to avoid stressful situations. His blood pressure spiked when his own lawyers were trying to prep him for deposition. allow me to repeat - his blood pressure spikes when he is in a friendly preparation environment. This prompted in doctor notes, cancellation of depositions and offering alternative deposition methods. McClain also doesn't believe having a medical professional will make a difference. He wants to avoid a stroke/ heart attack, he doesn't want to have a heart attack with a doctor his side.

Given McClain cannot even go through a preparation session and given his blood pressure spikes even before he's in a deposition it's probably safe to say he cannot handle the stress of a deposition.

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You brought people supporting Mcclain because they think that's being supportive of Estate. Are you sure you aren't actually affected by your feeling towards Estate? If we are being honest, you came across quite cold today in regards to McClain. I mean where's the empathy towards a person that feels like they can have a heart attack and die? and if this becomes a case of "placing his position as co-executor in jeopardy" versus "placing his life in jeopardy", I'm all for him choosing his life.

 

[serendipity]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

These are the actions of opposing lawyers. They are NOT the individual actions of Mclain and/or Tohme.

So what are you saying, that McClain wouldn't mind being deposed, but the lawyer isn't allowing it, because he wants to play games with Thome's lawyer?

 

[Tygger]

I believe I already wrote Tohme lawyers mention of they want to challenge McClain.

What you and others have not been able to show and will not be able to show is how this deposition in particular will lead to a possible fatality.

You brought people supporting Mcclain because they think that's being supportive of Estate. Are you sure you aren't actually affected by your feeling towards Estate? If we are being honest, you came across quite cold today in regards to McClain. I mean where's the empathy towards a person that feels like they can have a heart attack and die? and if this becomes a case of "placing his position as co-executor in jeopardy" versus "placing his life in jeopardy", I'm all for him choosing his life.

Classic Ivy. laughs

Are you aware two other posters have stated they believe Mclain should submit to a deposition however; you chose to label only my posts as anti-Estate?

It seems it is you feeling a familiar way: my posts do not agree with yours, you cannot debunk certain statements successfully (a.k.a., proving me wrong) so, you spin wording in my post to the meaning that you believe will benefit your position and retrieve the anti-Estate label (or other labels) for your convenience without being able to show any actual proof that I am as you prefer to label me.

What you (and others) are supporting is an opposing lawyer(s)’ tactic that can possibly jeopardize Mclain’s position. Do not confuse that support with actually supporting Mclain. I have written several times that I prefer Mclain retain his position and not let inaction – as has been advised legally – effect his position. That is support of an individual despite your attempt to spin my words.

Could it be, you may prefer Mclain vacate his position?

By the way, who does the “we” consist of in your response?

So what are you saying, that McClain wouldn't mind being deposed, but the lawyer isn't allowing it, because he wants to play games with Thome's lawyer?

I am saying: if Mclain does not want his position to be jeopardized, I would suggest he submit to the deposition.

Could Tohme's lawyer(s) have agreed to a written deposition? Of course but, that would be granting a convenience to the opposing side. Could the Estate's lawyer(s) have supported Mclain personally completing the deposition in person with all of the medical assistance and/or any assistance he may need? Of course but, that would be granting a convenience to the opposing side. They are simply inconveniencing each other and Mclain is unfortunately in the middle of that. That inconveniencing has gone on for some time and the back and forth has not been pro-bono.

As many have followed several trials just on this forum, they should be aware of lawyers attempting to inconvenience the opposing side simply because the can. Tohme's lawyer(s) is not accepting a written deposition for whatever reason and now they have threatened Mclain's position because of it.

Place yourself in Mclain's shoes for a moment. Would you want your position jeopardized because opposing lawyers are simply inconvenience each other?

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

If i may say something:

To me it seems if certain members come in here just for the sake of arguments.
I especially get this feeling when i read some of those unfunded opinions/statements or whatever you may call it.

To a further extent i see that some in here observe a certain & well regarded member of the community post a valuable contribution, so the arguer uses this post to get in an argument by disagreeing with said member just for the sake of it.

Last not least:
I visit a lot of these threads for getting info & knowledge. And to see these threads getting derailed for the sake of arguing with (as it seems) one or two specific & well regarded members is just unnerving & makes those deliberate arguers look stupid.

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

@ Ivy:

Thanks for the information & your opinion on the matter. Highly informative & reasonable as always.

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

These are the actions of opposing lawyers. They are NOT the individual actions of Mclain and/or Tohme.

This does not make sense. the so-called opposing lawyers are representing their clients. so their actions are indeed the actions of Mclaim/Tohme in the court of law.

As someone who has followed the case closely, are you (and others) suggesting Tohme is bullying Mclain as opposed to opposing lawyers inconveniencing each other which happens on a consistent basis?

Can you (and others) name one case you have followed closely just on this forum alone where the opposing lawyers did not try to inconvenience each other whenever and however possible?

If you (and others) truly believe Mclain is being bullied personally by Tohme, why has Mclain not charged Tohme personally with harassment as Mclain has suffered with this personal harassment for over two years now.

Your assertion is that McClain is deliberately causing delays by refusing to sit for an oral deposition. but you have so far failed to provide any valid justification in spite of the facts presented before you.

Please explain, if you can, as others have not, why McClain cannot complete the deposition with a medical professional present.

There is no benefit to Mclain not submitting to the deposition. It only places his position as co-executor in jeopardy and it is confusing that some would support that.

The presence of a medical professional will not prevent Tohme from bullying McClain. the medicinal professional will only be reactive. what if McClain gets a seizure during the proceedings? and what if he can't survive that seizure? will the medical professional be equipped to save his life? and why in God's name would anyone with health problems puts himself at such risk?

There is no benefit to Mclain not submitting to the deposition. It only places his position as co-executor in jeopardy and it is confusing that some would support that.

What are you talking about? McClain has offered to submit a written deposition. it's no different to an oral deposition except that the person who is deposed is not confronted face-to-face by the hostile party.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

totally agree. vertually every thread has this same tone because tygger appears to support anyone that goes against the estate regardless of situation and facts. the intentional play of the devils advocate inorder to cause debate/arguments becomes very much like groundhog day after a while

If i may say something:

To me it seems if certain members come in here just for the sake of arguments.
I especially get this feeling when i read some of those unfunded opinions/statements or whatever you may call it.

To a further extent i see that some in here observe a certain & well regarded member of the community post a valuable contribution, so the arguer uses this post to get in an argument by disagreeing with said member just for the sake of it.

Last not least:
I visit a lot of these threads for getting info & knowledge. And to see these threads getting derailed for the sake of arguing with (as it seems) one or two specific & well regarded members is just unnerving & makes those deliberate arguers look stupid.

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

I am saying: if Mclain does not want his position to be jeopardized, I would suggest he submit to the deposition.

Could Tohme's lawyer(s) have agreed to a written deposition? Of course but, that would be granting a convenience to the opposing side. Could the Estate's lawyer(s) have supported Mclain personally completing the deposition in person with all of the medical assistance and/or any assistance he may need? Of course but, that would be granting a convenience to the opposing side. They are simply inconveniencing each other and Mclain is unfortunately in the middle of that. That inconveniencing has gone on for some time and the back and forth has not been pro-bono.

As many have followed several trials just on this forum, they should be aware of lawyers attempting to inconvenience the opposing side simply because the can. Tohme's lawyer(s) is not accepting a written deposition for whatever reason and now they have threatened Mclain's position because of it.

Place yourself in Mclain's shoes for a moment. Would you want your position jeopardized because opposing lawyers are simply inconvenience each other?

Ultimately, it's up to the court to decide. if the court believes that an oral deposition does indeed constitute a major risk to McClain's life, it can order an alternative form of deposition.

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

What you and others have not been able to show and will not be able to show is how this deposition in particular will lead to a possible fatality.

I'm not sure what do you see as a proof but there have been two doctor letters in this instance about McClain's health and why he couldn't do the depositions. To me that's enough proof. Definitely more proof than your personal belief that nothing will happen.

Do not confuse that support with actually supporting Mclain.

I guess if you actually followed the case and/or read the documents your opinion would have changed. This has been going on for quite some time. and this wasn't a lawyer strategy of inconvenience. Tohme wanted to depose McClain, they said yes, date was set. Preparations happened his blood pressure spiked. it cancelled. It happened a few more times. A doctor note was submitted to the court. Court thought the note was not detailed enough, asked for more info. They provided a more detailed health report under seal. Court offered a deposition happen with a doctor present. Lawyers took it to McClain, he said no. Weitzman on record saying McClain feels having a doctor wouldn't make a difference. Like I said he doesn't want to experience a stressful situation and have another stroke , period. That's his decision and not a lawyer strategy of inconvenience.

I have nothing against McClain and him being an executor. The situation is still ongoing and judge considering alternatives. So it is still possible that a compromise can be achieved without any need for McClain resigning and/or being deposed. What I'm saying if push comes to shove and this becomes a situation of be deposed or resign and if he feels he doesn't want to risk his life no matter how lucrative the executor position might be, I would support him.

As for the rest you know that I don't get involved in that anymore. So you are wasting your time.

 

[Tygger]

MJJuniorSinceMW, some posters refuse to report posts they may have an issue with and instead, derail threads with their personal grievances. They do not notice their own derailment as they are far too concerned with making a disagreement personal. While you believe I am only in an argument with a certain member of this forum, I believe you have a grievance which, stating publicly, is not necessarily on-topic.

I stated my view as I am inclined to do and it seems two others who have posted a shared view in the thread. The poster you refer to stated the SAME view in a tweet that you can see for yourself below. It is not surprising only I was chosen to participate in some disagreement with the same poster who always initiates those arguments. Then the usual posters arrive to post there is a disagreement between the same posters and how unfortunate it is. I guess such a sport would not be as interesting if the other two posters who shared my view were chosen, eh? Surely not as interesting if the poster you referred to would not be so resistant to state they actually agree with my view. No need to state it as they tweeted it previously.

What may seem stupid to you can be termed as immaturity as it happens on playground around the world every, single day. Such actions thwart discussion which I thought was the purpose of a discussion board. Could be certain members prefer I not participate in discussions however; they do not have the authority to prevent me from doing such if I so choose.

If you believe Mclain should not submit to a deposition and I do, ask yourself why that is an argument?

This does not make sense. the so-called opposing lawyers are representing their clients. so their actions are indeed the actions of Mclaim/Tohme in the court of law.

Your assertion is that McClain is deliberately causing delays by refusing to sit for an oral deposition. but you have so far failed to provide any valid justification in spite of the facts presented before you.

Passy001, if anything I posted did not make sense to you, there is not much I can do to clarify it for you as I have already responded, twice. I never said Mclain is deliberately causing delays.

The presence of a medical professional will not prevent Tohme from bullying McClain. the medicinal professional will only be reactive. what if McClain gets a seizure during the proceedings? and what if he can't survive that seizure? will the medical professional be equipped to save his life? and why in God's name would anyone with health problems puts himself at such risk?

?????

What are you talking about? McClain has offered to submit a written deposition. it's no different to an oral deposition except that the person who is deposed is not confronted face-to-face by the hostile party.

You may have forgotten the new development that Mclain’s position may be in jeopardy because he did not submit to a deposition.

Ultimately, it's up to the court to decide. if the court believes that an oral deposition does indeed constitute a major risk to McClain's life, it can order an alternative form of deposition.

As per the new development, we are at the stage where the court is intervening and it seems even Ivy, suggested Mclain could complete the deposition.

Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

I guess he can just sit for deposition at Tohme case and avoid this. This is developing news. Next few months should bring more information.
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Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

Court is asking McClain if he's willing to submit to a health evaluation and/or if he would consider resigning from Executor position.
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Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

totally agree. vertually every thread has this same tone because tygger appears to support anyone that goes against the estate regardless of situation and facts. the intentional play of the devils advocate inorder to cause debate/arguments becomes very much like groundhog day after a while

Elusivemoonwalker, did I misunderstand your post below? What caused your change of view?

Yeah i agree. its as stressful as u let it be and if u have no knowledge it will be easy enough to get through.

As for the rest you know that I don't get involved in that anymore. So you are wasting your time.

Ivy, it seems you tweeted the sentiment that Mclain should simply submit to the deposition so his position would not be in jeopardy as I have said consistently here however; you feel a need to combat that sentiment. Only you know why but, it does seem you like to argue with me for any given reason.

You already involve yourself; unfortunately for you, you did not succeed. Does not mean you will not attempt to waste your time instigating another futile argument if you find the opportunity in the future.

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Ivy, it seems you tweeted the sentiment that Mclain should simply submit to the deposition so his position would not be in jeopardy as I have said consistently here however; you feel a need to combat that sentiment. Only you know why but, it does seem you like to argue with me for any given reason.

You already involve yourself; unfortunately for you, you did not succeed. Does not mean you will not attempt to waste your time instigating another futile argument if you find the opportunity in the future.

uhm

some posters refuse to report posts they may have an issue with and instead, derail threads with their personal grievances. They do not notice their own derailment as they are far too concerned with making a disagreement personal. While you believe I am only in an argument with a certain member of this forum, I believe you have a grievance which, stating publicly, is not necessarily on-topic.

why not take your own advice and do not derail the thread with your personal grievances even after I refuse to take part in that?

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Now allow me to provide some receipts

Court stating Executor position of such big estate is something stressful

Here Tohme lawyers desire to "confront" McClain

How McClain feels about this deposition and having a doctor present

How about a referee

When the problems start

 

[Tygger]

Ivy, I have no personal grievance with you, I have no issue with your somewhat consistent disagreement with my views, – although not in this thread it seems wink - or the fact that you initiate arguments with me for whatever your reasons. I have no personal grievance with any poster.

I do not understand why you posted those particular sections of the transcript. You are/have following(ed) this case closely, have reviewed the sections of the transcript you posted and yet, you still posted the below tweet which is what I have said consistently in this thread. There is no disagreement but, you are continuing the argument you initiated for whatever your reasons.

Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

I guess he can just sit for deposition at Tohme case and avoid this. This is developing news. Next few months should bring more information.
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Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

Court is asking McClain if he's willing to submit to a health evaluation and/or if he would consider resigning from Executor position.
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Ivy @Ivy_4MJ • 11 Std. Vor 11 Stunden

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

I have no personal grievance with any poster.

yet in every thread you get personal with me and childish with that "classic ivy" comments and so on. and derail the thread. anyway moving on. like I said I'm not gonna be a part of this anymore.

I do not understand why you posted those particular sections of the transcript.

I labelled them as to "provide some receipts" and I'm quite certain many people will understand why I posted them - that many things I say come from documents. I believe they clearly prove what was said on this thread such as this issue isn't a lawyer strategy but McClain's concern.

You are/have following(ed) this case closely, have reviewed the sections of the transcript you posted and yet, you still posted the below tweet which is what I have said consistently in this thread. There is no disagreement but, you are continuing the argument you initiated for whatever your reasons.

I'll disagree. I posted it as a possibility, "I guess" alone should be enough to show that. I did not portray it as a must. On this thread and at tweets I also acknowledged other possibilities. My first reply to you about that topic was "I don't think it's either / or at least for now. ".

From my perspective on the other hand your posts come across like only possibility, a must or even like fact. I mean in the last day you declared depositions aren't stressful, he could do the deposition, rejected his medical situation, rejected any and all reason for not being able to participate in a deposition, blamed Estate for delay in the case, claimed this is a lawyer inconvenience strategy and so on all without even bothering to follow the case or educate yourself about the information available.

Don't get me wrong you are entitled to your opinion but I guess it's your tone/style of expressing your opinion is problematic to some.

Anyway another thread is derailed so I'm out.

 

[Tygger]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

From my perspective on the other hand your posts come across like only possibility, a must or even like fact. I mean in the last day you declared depositions aren't stressful, he could do the deposition, rejected his medical situation, rejected any and all reason for not being able to participate in a deposition, blamed Estate for delay in the case, claimed this is a lawyer inconvenience strategy and so on all without even bothering to follow the case or educate yourself about the information available.

Repeating: I have no personal grievance with any poster. That does not change simply because you state so. You initiate arguments with me continually and leave me to complete them because you frequently bow out when you realize you are not succeeding.

You routinely whine towards the end of arguments you initiate by declaring the thread has been derailed by my posts only (you often do not see your own argumentative posts or any other argumentative posts not authored by me as derailment) and that I am not posting a view despite the fact I always state my posts are my views. If I posted my views as facts, you could simply re-quote my words instead of spinning them ineffectively as you did in the paragraph above. Example: where did I say the Estate was to blame for the delay? Should be simple to repost if I did say any of what you accuse me of.

The fact is you followed the case closely and you came to the SAME conclusion as a person who admittedly did not follow the case closely. You agreed that Mclain should submit to the deposition so his co-executor position is not at risk. Any thinking person would know neither of us can control Mclain personally and/or physically so do not rely on semantics. You may be too stubborn to admit we agree Mclain should submit to a deposition but, no matter; your tweet, written before I even posted in the thread speaks for you.

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Tygger, Every thread you choose to participate in always deteriorates to the worst. The narrative is always "me vs the rest" spectacle. This is all well documented.

McClain position is not in jeopardy if the court believes that his health concerns are legitimate. he's submitted his medical records under seal for the court to take into consideration. we'll know soon enough where the court stands on this issue.

 

[Victory22]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

WOW! It's scary to think but I can't help feeling some would not mind at all if McClain suffered another stroke and Tohme won his case against MJ's Estate.

 

[Tygger]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Passy001, sure it is every thread? If what you are saying is fact, should be fairly simple to prove so I should not have to wait long for your proof.

 

[passy001]

Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Tohme's complaint @pg 14

Passy001, sure it is every thread? If what you are saying is fact, should be fairly simple to prove so I should not have to wait long for your proof.

A good example is this thread. KJ VS AEG - Appeal thread, Colony capital / Neverland thread. These examples should give you a pretty good idea.