MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint [Merged]

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Tohme was a crook and he was introduced to MJ by MJ's own brother, Jermaine:bugeyed.. I am sure Jermaine received some kickbacks from Tohme when Tohme got into MJ's life
 
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no doubt. just like he got a rolls royce from the bahrain lot
 
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I heard from fans there will be a hearing on October 15th regarding this case, can anyone confirm it ??
 
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Court website shows these:
Future Hearings

10/15/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
DETERMINE OWNERSHIP (PC 850)(TS)

^^ That case is about this:
"FACTS: Qadree El-Amin claims to be a member of, and have an ownership interest in, The Michael Jackson Company, LLC (the "Company"). There may be other Doe Respondents making a similar claim. The Company is a single-member Delaware LLC whose sole member as of 6/25/09 was decd. Respondent has not provided exrs with any credible evidence to support the claim."

10/28/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
STATUS HEARING(OF DEPOSITION; THE COURT ORDERS2 MORE ATTEMPTS AT COMPLETINGTHE DEPOSITION)

I don't know what this is about.

10/29/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Probate-Other

11/04/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ALLOWANCE OF FEES

12/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE - PROBATE(RE FNL ACCTG OR 12200 STATUS RPTTO BE FILED AND SET FOR HRG.)
 
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Court website shows these:
Future Hearings

10/15/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
DETERMINE OWNERSHIP (PC 850)(TS)

^^ That case is about this:
"FACTS: Qadree El-Amin claims to be a member of, and have an ownership interest in, The Michael Jackson Company, LLC (the "Company"). There may be other Doe Respondents making a similar claim. The Company is a single-member Delaware LLC whose sole member as of 6/25/09 was decd. Respondent has not provided exrs with any credible evidence to support the claim."

10/28/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
STATUS HEARING(OF DEPOSITION; THE COURT ORDERS2 MORE ATTEMPTS AT COMPLETINGTHE DEPOSITION)

I don't know what this is about.

10/29/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Probate-Other

11/04/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ALLOWANCE OF FEES

12/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE - PROBATE(RE FNL ACCTG OR 12200 STATUS RPTTO BE FILED AND SET FOR HRG.)

The Quadree El Amin case is in another thread nearby.....

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...Estate-(Broderick-Morris-and-Quadree-El-Amin)
 
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so is it today or not ???
 
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There is a hearing today but it has nothing to do with Tohme case, its about Qadree El-Amin.
 
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Thank you Bubs
 
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Don't wait for news about hearings. there will be many hearings without much developments. Only time we will hear any news is when there's a significant decision
 
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I think something is happening in Tohme case as this was posted in case summary page:

12/13/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (STATUS REPORT RE: DEPOSITION OF JOHN MCCLAIN, AND LABOR COMMISSIONER PROCEEDING )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner

If I remember correctly, Labour Commissioner was involved in Tohme case so we might hear something what is going on. I would like to know the status of the case.
 
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That's the explanation they gave for not filing the third accounting on time (december 2013) so yeah it suggest that there's something going on or that labor commissioner is close to making a decision but we don't know. Given that Tohme case is at probate court that's really hard to get updates about.
 
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Bump!

Is there any progress regarding this issue?

And why isn't this thread sticky'd anymore?
IMO opinion this is the most important case which is still ongoing. Even more important then IRS.
Of course IRS is more threatening to MJ's estate.
But regarding this crook Thome, it's about justice & retribution for MJ & what this man did to MJ's money/belongings/assets.
 
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Makes u wonder if thomes entire role and why he was brought into mjs life was to get hold of mjs assets and sell them off
 
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Makes u wonder if thomes entire role and why he was brought into mjs life was to get hold of mjs assets and sell them off

You need to ask that question from Jermaine.
 
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You are right Bubs that is a question for Jermaine why did he bring him into Michael's life.


Jermaine will be on Sunday night (Where Are Their Now? )

OW OWN channel 279 at 9:00pm

He mention this

(Michael would died over again if he heard what their were doing) Got to watch this to see exactly what Jermaine is talking about.
 
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Jermaine succeeded in doing what Randy failed to do during the trial.
 
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He no doubt got paid just like he was paid by the bahrain lot.
 
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You are right Bubs that is a question for Jermaine why did he bring him into Michael's life.


Jermaine will be on Sunday night (Where Are Their Now? )

OW OWN channel 279 at 9:00pm

He mention this

(Michael would died over again if he heard what their were doing) Got to watch this to see exactly what Jermaine is talking about.

Jermaine and his connections scares s..t out of me.
He is spending his spare time singing birthday songs to son of Louis Fratto (mafioso) with Jermajesty and Jafaar and seemingly he has introduced Prince to him too. This is the guy behind Howard B mess.
Just check this Jermaine's buddy's Johnny Lew Fratto fb account.

First he brought Tohme to MJ's life and now Prince posing in photos with son of mafia boss!
 
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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUK IS WRONG WITH JERMONEY? He's surrounded by low life criminals and now he's passing that onto Prince! He wasn't satisfied Tohme robbed Michael and I'm sure Jerm got pieces of it, now he wants the children's money. :angry:
 
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Jermaine and his connections scares s..t out of me.
He is spending his spare time singing birthday songs to son of Louis Fratto (mafioso) with Jermajesty and Jafaar and seemingly he has introduced Prince to him too. This is the guy behind Howard B mess.
Just check this Jermaine's buddy's Johnny Lew Fratto fb account.

First he brought Tohme to MJ's life and now Prince posing in photos with son of mafia boss!

And Katherine, the guardian & loving granny, is permitting that? I don't know when she will learn that there are certain things that are not appropriate for children.

First she got them hooked with the owner of an adult web site, now her son is introducing her grandchild to the son of a mafioso.

Does she have any limits when it comes to make money off children? Hope Prince has a good head over his shoulders because otherwise, Michael's family are going to put him in a lot of trouble.
 
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Jermaine and his connections scares s..t out of me.
He is spending his spare time singing birthday songs to son of Louis Fratto (mafioso) with Jermajesty and Jafaar and seemingly he has introduced Prince to him too. This is the guy behind Howard B mess.
Just check this Jermaine's buddy's Johnny Lew Fratto fb account.

First he brought Tohme to MJ's life and now Prince posing in photos with son of mafia boss!


Are you for real. I hope Prince is careful you don't want to get mix up with this. Why would Jermaine do that?
 
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And Katherine, the guardian & loving granny, is permitting that? I don't know when she will learn that there are certain things that are not appropriate for children.

First she got them hooked with the owner of an adult web site, now her son is introducing her grandchild to the son of a mafioso.

Does she have any limits when it comes to make money off children? Hope Prince has a good head over his shoulders because otherwise, Michael's family are going to put him in a lot of trouble.


I wonder if she know? You and me both in the bold.
 
There is a update from Ivy

http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuits/estate-v-tohme/282-mj-estate-v-tohme-lawsuit-updates

MJ Estate v. Tohme lawsuit updates

Category: Estate v. Tohme
Published: Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:43
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September 2014

After 2 years we have some new information about MJ Estate vs Tohme lawsuits.

As you might remember Tohme filed a complaint against MJ Estate asking for fees he’s owed. These were 10% from Neverland refinancing, 10% from any future transaction about Neverland, 15% of income from services he provided (plus interest when applicable). Details of Tohme’s complaint can be found here: http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/estate-v-tohme/100-tohme-complaint-against-mj-estate

Estate had also filed a complaint against Tohme asking for accounting all actions and transactions done by Tohme, return of any money and property (of Michael) Tohme has and cancellation of the three agreements Michael had with Tohme. Details of Estate’s complaint can be found here: http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/estate-v-tohme/99-estate-complaint-against-tohme

Tohme and Michael had 3 agreements:

Finder’s fee agreement that give Tohme 10% of Neverland loan amount, 10% from any future sale of Neverland and 10% from any future transaction with Colony Capital.
Services agreement which gave Tohme $35,000+ expenses per month and 15% all gross compensation received by Michael.
Indemnity agreement in which Michael agrees to compensate Tohme for professional and legal expenses.

The most recent September 2014 court filing has shown that court has separated all of the claims from both parties into two parts. Probate court has been hearing accounting and return of property requests where as Labor commissioner has been overseeing whether or not the 3 agreements between Michael and Tohme should be cancelled.

Probate court proceedings about accounting and return of property requests

A transcript from a hearing on June, 2012 shows Executors arguing they need accounting from Tohme for the years he was manager in order to file Estate tax with IRS properly. Probate notes showed several hearings and protective orders concerning the accounting request.

Return of property request is still ongoing. Tohme’s lawyers complain about not being able to depose co-executor McClain to date. Documents show McClain’s health issues are the reason why he isn’t deposed yet. The same June 2012 hearing transcript and a short mention of Branca’s deposition clarifies Estate’s “return of property” claims. Branca mentions a private investigator being hired. Weitzman in hearing states Estate wants to know “where all the money went and how it was spent” and “there’s property Tohme got has yet to be returned”. Weitzman also states that they know someone who was supposed to pay Michael directly paid to Tohme and coincidentally Tohme purchased houses just after Michael passed away. They want discovery of all accounts managed by Tohme, where the money come from and where it went.

Labor commissioner proceedings about cancellation of 3 agreements

MJ Estate had filed a petition with Labor Commissioner based on California’s Talent Agency act. This act requires talent agents to be licensed. Estate argued as Tohme was unlicensed the agreements between him and Michael should be cancelled. LA Superior Court agreed this is a matter to be decided by Labor Commissioner.

This most recent filing states that the final hearing in front of the Labor Commissioner was in October 2013 and the closing briefs were submitted in November 2013. Almost a year later there’s still no decision from Labor Commissioner.

However Tohme’s lawyers claim the hearings in front of the Labor Commissioner has showed that while they have jurisdiction over the management agreements, they have no jurisdiction over the finder’s fee agreement about Neverland. So Tohme’s lawyers now asking LA Superiour court to take over the finder’s fee agreement issue put it on calendar and even make a summary judgment decision in favor of Tohme that the finder's fee agreement is valid and binding.

As of May 2014 the 10% Neverland loan + 10% interest equals $3.9 Million. Tohme asks a judgment for this amount. He also asks the court to determine that Tohme is entitled to 10% from future transactions about Neverland (which includes loan buyout and sale of Neverland).

An hearing is set for October 6, 2014.
 
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Interesting about Thome buying houses after Michael passed. When is he going to show where that money came from? I see he is trying to get the depositions done and the other John is ill, but when is he going to give his accounting? Most likely he has no accounting and is taking some time to create it. I wonder what would be the courts ruling about Thome's conflict of interest in the Neverland deal?
 
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I'll comment later but I say this first, for a non-paid advisor (his own words) he most certain wasn't non-paid by any means.
 
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