MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint [Merged]

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I just hope that true justice is served.

The fans are very frustrated about all of these people who want to benefit from Michael, I can only imagine how Michael felt when everytime he turned around, someone was wanting something from him. I feel this anger well up inside of me when I see this. . The fact that this is still happening even after he is gone is just heartbreaking. I don't know the details about the artwork, but I hope that it ends up where it should be.
 
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I am dying to know what happened todays hearing?

Ivy, have you got anything to share with us?
 
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What I do not understand about people like Brett is that, if Michael gave him the art all this time, how come he never did anything with it while Michael was alive. I mean, if my mom deeds me a partial inheritance while she is alive, why would I keep it hidden and wait till she dies to use it? There is something fishy about Thome's dealings in regards to Brett and others.
 
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What I do not understand about people like Brett is that, if Michael gave him the art all this time, how come he never did anything with it while Michael was alive. I mean, if my mom deeds me a partial inheritance while she is alive, why would I keep it hidden and wait till she dies to use it? There is something fishy about Thome's dealings in regards to Brett and others.

Absolutely, why now after he is dead?
I for one, don't believe a one minute that Michael even knew about Tohme giving away his paintings to Brett.
He knew damn well the value of anything he touched made money to someone,for example if he signed a pillow case and threw it to fans, he knew if they sell it, they would get punch of money for it. Why would he give away his paintings when he didn't give a away his demo tapes to people he recorded with, same thing?

Another thing that bothers me is that when we first heard about his art collection, it was mentioned that there were 182 pieces, but this is what he said in Piers Morgan
"MORGAN: And this collection, how many pieces are there in it?

STRONG: Well, I have -- we have 98 pieces. Other people have some. And there's about -- maybe there's about 20 of those pieces I draw, he did artwork on the other side. "

84 pieces gone missing, sold.............?
 
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^ Good pick up. Probably in thome's garage, hopefully along with some bad tour master films. It seems reckless of mrs j to ally herself on tv with strong when the artwork is still the subject of an estate lawsuit, but it seems to be her MO, just like with the htwf. Noticed in that piers interview that strong said he owned the artwork and then corrected himself and said we own it, looking at mrs j. No mention of mj's estate, lol!

I got the impression that mj wanted to have his artwork used exclusively to raise money for charity, but suspect that might not be the case here. I personally shudder at the thought of the vegas monument with large size replicas of mj and his children.
 
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Another thing that bothers me is that when we first heard about his art collection, it was mentioned that there were 182 pieces, but this is what he said in Piers Morgan
"MORGAN: And this collection, how many pieces are there in it?

STRONG: Well, I have -- we have 98 pieces. Other people have some. And there's about -- maybe there's about 20 of those pieces I draw, he did artwork on the other side. "

84 pieces gone missing, sold.............?

If I'm not mistaken Strong said that other paintings were sold. I might be wrong but I'm almost sure I heard that.
 
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If I'm not mistaken Strong said that other paintings were sold. I might be wrong but I'm almost sure I heard that.

But who sold them? If it is Strong, it must have been done after Michel's death, and again, if you owned them all the time, why wait till after Michael's death to sell them. There is some shadiness here. I am really waiting for this trial to begin so all these issues can be ironed out!!!
 
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If I'm not mistaken Strong said that other paintings were sold. I might be wrong but I'm almost sure I heard that.

:bugeyed It could be true but I really hope it's not! The estate may have not known in time that there is airport hangar full of Michael's paintings , and Strong went ahead and sold some of them before he was stopped.

I know he sold The Book and the other painting of MJ and LMP but I don't think I've heard him selling others. He did try but was stopped by the estate.
http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...bout-the-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud
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About Tohme's letter to B L-S
"Tohme wrote in a letter dated November 2008 to Strong: "Michael wants you to know he is truly grateful for the loyalty you have shown him over the years, and he views this as a small token of appreciation for your continued friendship and artistic partnership.""

That is so odd! Michael had loyal people around him that were with him for years, but did he gave a gift like this to anyone else?
 
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@Petra & Bubs.
Read the trans. to be sure. Strong says he has 98 pieces ofart and "other people" have some. Also said some art was sold beforeMichael's passing & that he can sell Michael's art.

Seems when i saw the interview didn't hear or pay attention to the word "before," sorry. But it seems fishy that "other people" have some of the art. How? & Why? Also, how is it that he says he can sell the art? I hope no one buys thoses pieces while they're in Strong's possesion

 
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I don't know if he meant sold before MJ's passing that he meant "his own" art of MJ, like The Book and the one LMP?
Those two pieces were sold while MJ was alive. They did give some art to that hospital, MJ's kids and LaToya were there when their unveiled the art. He says that he can sell the art but he can't, he goes according to Tohme's letter, but the estate is fighting to get it reversed as Tohme had no right to give them away.

Things that makes me wonder about B L-S said in the interview:
STRONG: Well, during the time that he was pretty much studying to do these concerts, I had very little contact with him. So the contact that I did have, it was upbeat and enthusiastic. He would call me early hours of the morning and leave me some fantastic messages. So I never knew that he ever had any problems. But I do know that over the years that, you know, he would trust people and he would not do any due diligence or sometimes his inner feelings would -- he wouldn't listen to them. And I think he had a lot of trust that he should have questioned.

I suppose when MJ was busy with rehearsals, it would have been beginning of the 2009. If so, would he tell Tohme to give away his art to Brett early that year (he had very little contact on MJ at that time)when Michael called to June G in previous September telling her that she was fearing of Tohme?
I checked that Tohme's letter to B L-S was date Nov 17 2008, and in Sep same year he said he was fearing Tohme?
Funny that Tohme letter is dated the same day when Michael's court case started in London. He wasn't in London but asked to give his testimony from unspecified location. So wouldn't Tohme have other thing to think than giving away MJ's art that day?
The whole thing doesn't make any sense to me?
Tohme tried to sell MJ's stuff in Juliens auction without Michael knowing, and then he gives away MJ's art?
I honestly don't think Michael knew anything about Tohme giving it away, just like he didn't know many other things Tohme did behind of his back.

Another thing in his interview:
STRONG: Well, Michael spent a good part of 25 years making this art. And it was like a private world for him. While a lot of the public thought that he may have been doing things that they thought he shouldn't be doing, he was actually creating art. And it was like a world for him to -- to retreat into, into this spiritual type of feeling where he would express his ideas. And he absolutely loved it, and it made him feel good.

He says MJ spent 25 years making his art, keeping it for himself. In comes Tohme and gives it all away!
Michael had another teacher too, David Nordahl, I don't think I've heard him saying that Michael gave his painting to him?
Also B L-S talking about what Michael wanted to build this monument to LV and was relying success of TII.
We all heard that tape that Murray recorded Michael saying what he wanted to do with the money he gets from TII?
He wanted to build children's hospital, I heard no words of chapel?

One more thing from Tohme's letter, he wrote:
Please let me know when you have the art prints ready for Michael to sign so....so ready to display at any times for galleries and museums.
That letter was dated Nov 17 2008, and by Michael's death, they still weren't signed. It doesn't sound like they were going to be either.

Huh, that was a long post:) Just a few of my thoughts rattling around my head about this very curious case of Tohme.
 
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^ Lol, tohme does tend to have that effect - he is the definition of shadiness and i'm not getting great vibes off blstrong. I think mj is being a tad overly generous in his description of bls being a modern day michaelangelo.

i googled blstrong and came up with this blog post from march '12, http://devronnsblog.com/tag/brett-livingston-strong/

Our friend and Australian artist Brett Livingston Strong who painted Michael Jackson gave Ronn a very special painting of a Geisha girl that Michael Jackson drew. Only two exist and they belong now to Ronn and Michael’s mother Katherine.

So bls seems to be giving away mj's art as well as his own. On websites he seems to be selling expensive limited edition prints of 'the book'. It must be a nightmare for mj's estate to make an inventory of all mj's stuff when you have his ex management and even his own family not cooperating fully.
 
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Bubs;3654445 said:
Absolutely, why now after he is dead?
I for one, don't believe a one minute that Michael even knew about Tohme giving away his paintings to Brett.
He knew damn well the value of anything he touched made money to someone,for example if he signed a pillow case and threw it to fans, he knew if they sell it, they would get punch of money for it. Why would he give away his paintings when he didn't give a away his demo tapes to people he recorded with, same thing?

Another thing that bothers me is that when we first heard about his art collection, it was mentioned that there were 182 pieces, but this is what he said in Piers Morgan
"MORGAN: And this collection, how many pieces are there in it?

STRONG: Well, I have -- we have 98 pieces. Other people have some. And there's about -- maybe there's about 20 of those pieces I draw, he did artwork on the other side. "84 pieces gone missing, sold.............?

One of those drawings by Michael appears to have been sold via Julien's auctions in October 2010. It was a drawing of Michaels' dancing feet, (by Michael) on the back of a BLS print. No idea who put it up for sale, as auctions rarely give you that information.


PS The main thread with all the background on the MJ art collection is here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-900M-Update-pg10?highlight=brett livingstone
 
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^^ I wonder what he meant when he says "other people have some" Did he sell them or gave them away?
Someone told me that if someone unknowngly buys stolen art they would have to return it to their owners. But I don't think it is true because if that's the case then why would anyone buy it. This is a big mess. It seems to me that BLS is stealing from Michael with the help of others. Really sad.

One thing BLS is completely right: Michael trusted people --which included him & Tohme.
 
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^^ I wonder what he meant when he says "other people have some" Did he sell them or gave them away?
Someone told me that if someone unknowngly buys stolen art they would have to return it to their owners. But I don't think it is true because if that's the case then why would anyone buy it. This is a big mess. It seems to me that BLS is stealing from Michael with the help of others. Really sad.

One thing BLS is completely right: Michael trusted people --which included him & Tohme.

The bolded ^^ you got that right. Notice how all the shady people say Michael trusted the wrong people, but do not consider themselves to be among the shady group.
 
myosotis;3655640 said:
One of those drawings by Michael appears to have been sold via Julien's auctions in October 2010. It was a drawing of Michaels' dancing feet, (by Michael) on the back of a BLS print. No idea who put it up for sale, as auctions rarely give you that information.


PS The main thread with all the background on the MJ art collection is here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-900M-Update-pg10?highlight=brett livingstone

Thanks for the link. If I had known that there is thread about this already, it would have saved me lots of typing and searching:D
 
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Seemingly Tohme case continues :timer:

07/25/2012 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
 
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Tohme 's demurrer and motion to strike were denied. so the probate court will hear the case
 
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Tohme 's demurrer and motion to strike were denied. so the probate court will hear the case

Great news. This is one of the times when the word denied is welcome.
 
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The case is up tomorrow, I hope lawyers are up for fight with Tohme after all the drama.
 
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The case is up tomorrow, I hope lawyers are up for fight with Tohme after all the drama.

Oh thanks for the update. I want some good news tomorrow.
 
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We really need some good news, we deserve good news;-)

Estate's tomorrows to do list:
Give a boot to Randy, Jermy and Janet
Get Katherine back home
Give boot to Tohme too
one more boot to DeMann, his case is up tomorrow too:)

hopefully everything goes according to do list.
 
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^ And you wonder why people whine about how much the executors are paid - it's a nightmare dealing with all these lawsuits.
 
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Ivy, do you have any updates on what happened in court?
 
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Ivy, do you have any updates on what happened in court?

I have been checking this thread too for updates, but that other thread kept us so busy, I guess no one had time to look.
 
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The other things get us busy, I hope Tohme didn't get away while we weren't watching:)
 
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Case continues
Future Hearings
08/01/2012 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
 
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Guys probate court documents aren't available online. So we won't know anything unless the media reports. The case is ongoing with multiple hearings.
 
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Oh multiple hearings. Wrongfully Taken Property is a good way to sum it up.
 
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