MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording. [Merged]

[analogue]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

NO NO NO NO NO!
where does this "oh, we need random celebrities to keep MJ on top" thing come from? MJ is more than capable of doing that himself.

Exactly! He's Michael Jackson for crying out loud! The name alone is enough to make heads turn

 

[bad25]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Everything about this new version is trendy. Everything what I hate. Stupid autotune effects, crappy pop remix stuff sound. And Bieber itself. He should never be on the same song with Michael Jackson.

bieber itself? bieber himself? Bieber is just a kid with a big dream. He has achieved that dream and going to achieve more. And, I think it's one of his dreams to sing with his idol. Nothing wrong plus he is promoting MJ to his millions of fans. I think it's great!

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Unbelievable. If this is indeed an official release, which it definintely seems to be, it just cements that the people running the Estate haven't got a friggin clue.

That's what we've been saying since 2010. This just proves it further.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Exactly! He's Michael Jackson for crying out loud! The name alone is enough to make heads turn

and no matter how successful this song might be, i predict the reaction from the media will be "see, he needs justin bieber (the real king of pop) to stay relevant".... mixed with "he only got a hit because of Bieber"..... And IMO that's why his legacy IS more important than a nr. 1 hit. Getting to nr. 1 is a great thing, for sure, BUT if the price is that people start to think less of your ability to make it yourself, then it's not WORTH IT.

 

[Zakk]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Unbelievable. If this is indeed an official release, which it definintely seems to be, it just cements that the people running the Estate haven't got a friggin clue.

i couldnt agree with you more.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction here.

I do want to say that I hope the MJ fan community don't ruin future potentially good projects with their 'purist' views. It's too limited IMO. The MJ Estate have no more new MJ material being recorded so they have to work with what they've got and they are largely unfinished tracks. They need to make money, that is their job.

STTR was almost releasable IMO, all it needed was a fresh mix and the MJ Estate could have released it as a Michael Jackson single, which would have been awesome. A guest artist could have been acceptable, but they have turned this into 'Bieber feat. Jackson' rather than 'Jackson feat. Bieber' which is a shame. While I would have preferred less Bieber and more Jackson on this particular track we all have to accept that guest artists will be in the future and we (as a fan community) need to be less hostile toward projects like this. I would like to see MJ at the top of the album and singles charts on his own, but that is incredibly unlikely. If mixes with guest artists can do it then I'll be happy. The purists can be catered for later with more raw MJ demos and outtakes on album packages. Hit singles need to be contemporary, and they need to be polished. This new version of STTR is both.

 

[analogue]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

bieber itself? bieber himself? Bieber is just a kid with a big dream. He has achieved that dream and going to achieve more. And, I think it's one of his dreams to sing with his idol. Nothing wrong plus he is promoting MJ to his millions of fans. I think it's great!

MJ is the biggest star on the planet. He doesn't need Bieber to promote him. Anyone who doesn't know who Michael Jackson is is living under a rock. Also maybe Bieber's dream was to sing with Michael but the way it was handled was just disrespectful. Removing MJ's vocals and replacing them with Bieber's is disrespectful cause a duet was never intended for that song.

 

[Courtney]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

No. This is seriously bullshit. I'm sorry, but it is. If this is a preview of what's to come on a future album, I will not buy it and I will give up on the estate completely. They should know by now how sensitive fans are to the unreleased songs after the "Michael" disaster. A duets album with these modern "artists" is a total injustice to Michael's legacy, in my opinion. Removing and replacing his vocals isn't right. The song wasn't a duet to begin with. Leave the songs as they are and release them. I don't care if they're just Michael mumbling and humming for 4 minutes. Release them as they are. Hoping this isn't true....any word from the estate? This kid has done nothing but copy and steal from Michael and I don't respect him. He needs to do his own thing and stop trying to be other people. "Michael Jackson" has been done before.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction here.

I do want to say that I hope the MJ fan community don't ruin future potentially good projects with their 'purist' views. It's too limited IMO. The MJ Estate have no more new MJ material being recorded so they have to work with what they've got and they are largely unfinished tracks. They need to make money, that is their job.

STTR was almost releasable IMO, all it needed was a fresh mix and the MJ Estate could have released it as a Michael Jackson single, which would have been awesome. A guest artist could have been acceptable, but they have turned this into 'Bieber feat. Jackson' rather than 'Jackson feat. Bieber' which is a shame. While I would have preferred less Bieber and more Jackson on this particular track we all have to accept that guest artists will be in the future and we (as a fan community) need to be less hostile toward projects like this. I would like to see MJ at the top of the album and singles charts on his own, but that is incredibly unlikely. If mixes with guest artists can do it then I'll be happy. The purists can be catered for later with more raw MJ demos and outtakes on album packages. Hit singles need to be contemporary, and they need to be polished. This new version of STTR is both.

Slave was already freshly mixed in 2010 by Tricky Stewart. That's the version that leaked back then. I was under the impression that they we holding it back for a possible Dangerous 25, as it is a Dangerous outtake despite popular belief, so what this is all about is anyone's guess. But if this is officially released then it will be a further insult to Michael.

 

[Rudolf]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

bieber itself? bieber himself? Bieber is just a kid with a big dream. He has achieved that dream and going to achieve more. And, I think it's one of his dreams to sing with his idol. Nothing wrong plus he is promoting MJ to his millions of fans. I think it's great!

Not great at all. He's welcome to sing along with MJ in his bathroom if he wants. Firstly this song doesn't need to be a duet. It's way better in it's current state.
Bieber has no talent. He doesn't make quality music (in my eyes). As someone already said, he's not a respected "artist".

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

The message from both this and the Michael album is simple: Michael Jackson is replaceable.

 

[StellaJackson]

100% official and set for release.


Excited for what is to come. MJ set the bar. Not only for music but for being an entertainer and how u treat the fans. Wish he was here…

— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) August 16, 2013



All of it is not always easy but it is a blessing. We can change the world. I’m up for the challenge. Big things ahead! #greatness. love you

— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) August 16, 2013

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

It was uploaded to Bieber's Vevo account 12 minutes ago!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2h9XwNNCAI

((Except now I'm told that ISNT JB's official Vevo - OOPS :blush:))

Published on 16 Aug 2013 Justin Bieber ft. Michael Jackson - Slave to the Rhythm (Official) (2013)

Produced by Max Methods

Ok now I have to say I'm p!ssed.
As an MJ single it would have been great.
As an 'MJ featuring Justing Bieber' song it would have been passable.

BUT as a 'Justin Bieber feat. Michael Jackson' song it is a piss take. I was giving the MJ Estate some credit earlier because I thought they were producing an MJ product but I'm now officially angry with the MJ Estate. This song was probably one of the few MJ tracks that he left behind that had hit potential written all over it and they've sold it off to Bieber. :evil:

This song should have been remixed to make it more modern and then released as a 'Michael Jackson single' or as an 'MJ featuring guest artist' single. This is wrong.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction here.

I do want to say that I hope the MJ fan community don't ruin future potentially good projects with their 'purist' views. It's too limited IMO. The MJ Estate have no more new MJ material being recorded so they have to work with what they've got and they are largely unfinished tracks. They need to make money, that is their job.

STTR was almost releasable IMO, all it needed was a fresh mix and the MJ Estate could have released it as a Michael Jackson single, which would have been awesome. A guest artist could have been acceptable, but they have turned this into 'Bieber feat. Jackson' rather than 'Jackson feat. Bieber' which is a shame. While I would have preferred less Bieber and more Jackson on this particular track we all have to accept that guest artists will be in the future and we (as a fan community) need to be less hostile toward projects like this. I would like to see MJ at the top of the album and singles charts on his own, but that is incredibly unlikely. If mixes with guest artists can do it then I'll be happy. The purists can be catered for later with more raw MJ demos and outtakes on album packages. Hit singles need to be contemporary, and they need to be polished. This new version of STTR is both.

So even you feel they turned a potent MJ song that has full and great vocals by MJ into a Bieber ft. MJ song but that doesn't matter and MJ fans should just accept it and not be upset about it...

It would be a bit more acceptable if they did it with a song with uncomplete MJ vocals (and even then, with more respected artists and NOT with Bieber) but I do not think it's acceptable with this song which had FULL and GREAT MJ vocals. They are wasting a song that would have worked completely well with MJ alone for this stunt...

 

[SoCav]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction here.

I do want to say that I hope the MJ fan community don't ruin future potentially good projects with their 'purist' views. It's too limited IMO. The MJ Estate have no more new MJ material being recorded so they have to work with what they've got and they are largely unfinished tracks. They need to make money, that is their job.

Their job is also to protect MJ's legacy and to present his artistry to the public in a respectful manner. Releasing a crappy remix duet with, of all people, Justin Bieber, is just about the worst thing they could have done (next to releasing more fake songs).

It is not all just about the bottom line. And speaking of money, they'd better not be banking on this single...

STTR was almost releasable IMO, all it needed was a fresh mix and the MJ Estate could have released it as a Michael Jackson single, which would have been awesome.

Why does it have to be a fresh mix? I've said this a million times already, so sorry if I am starting to sound like a broken record, but no one is going to listen to a remix by some flavour of the month producer 50 years from now. On the other hand, I guarantee you that there will be people interested in untouched work Michael left behind. He is one of the all-time great artists, whose work will be sought out for generations to come. A personal example: I am a fan of Jimi Hendrix. I love listening to demos he left behind, they provide a glimpse into his creative process and allow me to get a fuller picture of who he was as an artist. Do I care about some remix made by a flash-in-the-pan producer in 1974? Not one iota.

 

[Speechless09]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

This new mess can only be an joke?!:bugeyedh34r:

 

[IvoDT]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I'm extremely mad upon hearing about this (and hearing that crappy remix). If, indeed, this is official and it gets released, I will never, but I mean NEVER, buy anything MJ related again and go straight to pirating the stuff that actually IS worthy to be downloaded. How the actual "F" could they make this decision and ruin such a potential hit by adding a duet partner and make it even worse by making it freaking Bieber...

 

[Speechless09]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

oooookaaaay now the vid is removed .... I don't want to think about the reason. I am crying.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

It was uploaded to Bieber's Vivo account 12 minutes ago!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2h9XwNNCAI






Ok now I have to say I'm p!ssed.
As an MJ single it would have been great.
As an 'MJ featuring Justing Bieber' song it would have been passable.

BUT as a 'Justin Bieber feat. Michael Jackson' song it is a piss take. I was giving the MJ Estate some credit earlier because I thought they were producing an MJ product but I'm now officially angry with the MJ Estate. This song was probably one of the few MJ tracks that he left behind that had hit potential written all over it and they've sold it off to Bieber. :evil:

This song should have been remixed to make it more modern and then released as a 'Michael Jackson single' or as an 'MJ featuring guest artist' single. This is wrong.

Justin Bieber featuring Michael Jackson....

They really did turn MJ's song into a Justin Bieber ft. Michael Jackson song.

I'm officially done with the MJ Estate.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Justin Bieber featuring Michael Jackson....

They really did turn MJ's song into a Justin Bieber ft. Michael Jackson song.

I'm officially done with the MJ Estate.

Yeah and some of the credits on the page actually say things like "Justin did a good job" etc when all he did was copy MJs vocals!

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

oops double post

 

[bad25]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

MJ is the biggest star on the planet. He doesn't need Bieber to promote him. Anyone who doesn't know who Michael Jackson is is living under a rock. Also maybe Bieber's dream was to sing with Michael but the way it was handled was just disrespectful. Removing MJ's vocals and replacing them with Bieber's is disrespectful cause a duet was never intended for that song.

I agree that MJ is known by everyone but the thing is kids nowadays have no interest in him. A duet is one of the ways to spark interest in these young listeners! I'd be pissed if we didnt get to hear the original MJ song but we have it so we get to hear both and we have a choice to lsten to either one so I really dont see a problem here.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

They really have the nerve to call it Justin Bieber featuring Michael Jackson?????? On Michael's own freaking song? SHOCKED at the level of disrespect!

 

[DJ_OXyGeNe_8]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

This is not respect, this is not tribute. MJ is not the important, they are trying to shine Justin, make bigger Justin. They are trying to show that MJ support him... They are trying to make Justin "Prince of pop" or what the hell... Industry needs new stars and They're using Michael...

And Estate made this...

Go to hell, we'll never forgive you for this.

 

[IvoDT]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

I agree that MJ is known by everyone but the thing is kids nowadays have no interest in him. A duet is one of the ways to spark interest in these young listeners! I'd be pissed if we didnt get to hear the original MJ song but we have it so we get to hear both and we have a choice to lsten to either one so I really dont see a problem here.

The PROBLEM is that they could have released MJ's SOLO version and see that becoming a hit by itself. Justin Bieber is NOT talented and should never have been allowed to anything MJ related, ever. What we got now is a crappy remix which removed MJ's incredible vocals, butchered the song by making it a "fresh" crappy remix and autotuning everything in the song because poor Bieber can't sing.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

They really have the nerve to call it Justin Bieber featuring Michael Jackson?????? On Michael's own freaking song? SHOCKED at the level of disrespect!

I couldn't believe that they would do this but they have.
I went from giving the MJ Estate the benefit of the doubt and putting trust in them to being furious in a matter of minutes. It's disrespectful to do this. They will alienate the MJ fans with this release and rightly so. MJ deserves the props for this song, NOT Bieber. No matter who sings on an MJ track it is still an MJ track and should be promoted as such. When (or IF) Queen release TMBMTTTT I'm now confident it will be 'Queen feat. MJ'. Shame.

The PROBLEM is that they could have released MJ's SOLO version and see that becoming a hit by itself. Justin Bieber is NOT talented and should never have been allowed to anything MJ related, ever. What we got now is a crappy remix which removed MJ's incredible vocals, butchered the song by making it a "fresh" crappy remix and autotuning everything in the song because poor Bieber can't sing.

Yes MJ's solo version could have been a success, BUT it did need to be reworked to reach that potential. There would have been nothing wrong with reworking the track and leaving MJ's vocals in, with perhaps a guest artist. What they have done is a travesty.It's not even being released to promote an MJ product!!!! Bieber gets all the props and MJ is reduced to a guest artist on his own track!!

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Mchael's legacy means nothing to the estate. It's all about the money.

 

[Zakk]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

sickened completely by this, congrats rodney. losing a true classic.. bored, and distraught.

 

[dam2040]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Oh for god sake that isn't the official VEVO channel of the dude. You'd see that if you went on the channel.

Oh, and Justin Bieber > Jason Malachi. But I'm out.

 

[Moromete]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Damn, I rather die than listen a duet between MJ and Bieber. Can you imagine a song between a respected, loved and talented man and a kid who does NOT have talent, uses auto-tune too much and is a very annoying person?! I wonder who will buy this song, if it will be release (and I am sure they will release this crap), just some 13 old girls who are mad about this guy.