Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

Which tracks are you most looking forward to hearing in full/Want on Album!

  • All I Need

    Votes: 13 14.0%
  • Carry On

    Votes: 16 17.2%
  • Breaking News

    Votes: 11 11.8%
  • Monster

    Votes: 13 14.0%
  • Much Too Soon

    Votes: 66 71.0%
  • Do You Know Where Your Children Are

    Votes: 68 73.1%
  • Another Day

    Votes: 76 81.7%
  • Hold My Hand

    Votes: 54 58.1%
  • A Place With No Name

    Votes: 65 69.9%
  • Love Never Felt So Good

    Votes: 34 36.6%
  • Blue Gangsta

    Votes: 57 61.3%

  • Total voters
    93
To be honest, I'm quite tired of this "Sony is the root of all evil" conspiracy. I know something goes wrong. But, I still don't think Sony intentionally set this up to fail.

The $250 million dollar deal is stated on the Management Report of the Estate presented to the Probate Court (Ivy, correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't think the Estate would "fake" a report presented to the Court.

If it isn't Michael singing on the verses, I would blame Cascio, not Sony. Sony would not pay millions of dollars for the music rights and the cost of the album for work they knew was fake. Cascio is the one who was there in the studio. If it isn't Michael, he is to blame for defrauding everyone.
 
I think (my humble opinion)... Teddy is full of shit. I will buy the album MICHAEL and I think that every fan HAS TO buy it but I am really disappointed about all this. This Teddy's interview upset me so much so this will be my last post here. He is talking about conspiracy from John McClain and Sony against fans and Michael's Legacy but what he gave us was fake Breaking News. I am starting to think that maybe it's not John McClain the bad guy here.. I would really like to hear LNFSG that he did and than decide who has done better job. We must unite and demand an official explaination from Sony and Estate about whole this mess. It is not tabloid storys anymore, it is Theodore "Teddy" Riley himself who confirmed that RF articles about war between Sony and John McClain is real. Something is wrong here and we fans have to do something.

Gaz please react and tell us what to do.. smooth_criminal05, eleonora, MKgenie, Damien any inside information??

That is it from me..
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfA4eLjsO20

if you look here, the song is getting comments like every 10 seconds, thats as much as the highest viewed video on youtube, expect views to be well in the millions over the coming days, this is generating huge publicity for the album, and if it is a publicity stunt, they better have planned an awesome way out of it, otherwise the albums sales are in serious jeapordy, i'm seriously worried if it isn't.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfA4eLjsO20

if you look here, the song is getting comments like every 10 seconds, thats as much as the highest viewed video on youtube, expect views to be well in the millions over the coming days, this is generating huge publicity for the album, and if it is a publicity stunt, they better have planned an awesome way out of it, otherwise the albums sales are in serious jeapordy, i'm seriously worried if it isn't.

OMG this is on his youtube account... and people think its michael jackson singing! Please tell me I'm dreaming! PLEASE!
 
I will admit that Teddy did little to calm the fan's concerns when he admitted to the in-fighting, warring and jealousy within MJ's Estate... everything is not hunky dory...
 
If it isn't Michael singing on the verses, I would blame Cascio, not Sony. Sony would not pay millions of dollars for the music rights and the cost of the album for work they knew was fake. Cascio is the one who was there in the studio. If it isn't Michael, he is to blame for defrauding everyone.

But shouldn't Sony have checked other close michael jackson fans before still releasing that crap?

from those earlier articles (before the snippet of the song was even released) about it being a fake Michael, it seems theywere getting this type of feedback before Breaking News was out, and yet they released it anyways.
 
I just went on Teddy Riley's twitter page. There is nothing on there about a duet album
 
Didn't Epic release a statement today regarding the song saying they believe it's 100% real? I mean, what more are they going to say? Other than it will not be on the album.
 
Other than confirming Sony's statement earlier, has Gaz posted his personal opinion on Breaking News and the ensuing mess? I'd be very interested to hear his take on it all :)
 
I think (my humble opinion)... Teddy is full of shit. I will buy the album MICHAEL and I think that every fan HAS TO buy it but I am really disappointed about all this. This Teddy's interview upset me so much so this will be my last post here. He is talking about conspiracy from John McClain and Sony against fans and Michael's Legacy but what he gave us was fake Breaking News. I am starting to think that maybe it's not John McClain the bad guy here.. I would really like to hear LNFSG that he did and than decide who has done better job. We must unite and demand an official explaination from Sony and Estate about whole this mess. It is not tabloid storys anymore, it is Theodore "Teddy" Riley himself who confirmed that RF articles about war between Sony and John McClain is real. Something is wrong here and we fans have to do something.

Gaz please react and tell us what to do.. smooth_criminal05, eleonora, MKgenie, Damien any inside information??

That is it from me..


what did Teddy say about McClain and the estate ?

Please:
 
Yes, please. We need you now more than ever. Your inside info, your opinion, your anything!

In all my honstly, we can take care of this ourselves.

We fans know in our hearts Michael's music and some of us have been listening to him ever since he was just a child. We buy Michael Jackson. That track is not Michael. So we just don't buy it. Simple as that.

The person we need more than ever right now is Michael. He knows his music more than anyone. And I can hardly feel him in that song.
 
I think John McClain may be our ally here...

I know Friedman articles are normally banned, but I think they may prove poignant.

November 4, 2010:
"Yesterday I was told there was no deal brokered yet between all the fractious parties in the Jackson camp. Co executor John McClain was still claiming that the vocals on some of the tracks weren’t Michael’s."

October 19, 2010:
"At first there was a lot of skepticism about the tracks. I’m told that co-executor John McClain questioned whether the vocals were really Michael’s, or faked. But they are Michael’s. And they will be needed to round out the selections.

Teddy Riley and a couple of other producers have worked to fix up the Cascio tracks for release.

McClain was also working on tracks. It’s unclear how these have gone. I’m told, not so well. Many of them are outtakes from “Invincible,” an album that wasn’t so good in the first place. And no one’s bothered to approach Michael’s engineer, Bruce Swedien, about tracks from “Thriller” or “Bad” he might have in his archives.

There’s truly confusion now in the inner circle about how to proceed. Sony is waiting for delivery but there’s no album art or concept.

As for a cover: I am told McClain commissioned one a la “Sgt. Pepper” with a montage of drawings or caricatures of people in Michael’s life whom he admired. Funny: several lawyers were jammed in among Martin Luther King and Marvin Gaye. McClain’s picture, sources say, was larger than most of the others.

Needless to say, that’s been scrapped."
 
I just went on Teddy Riley's twitter page. There is nothing on there about a duet album

what did Teddy say about McClain and the estate ?

Please:


He says it in the interview linked in the quote below.....


OMG this is on his youtube account... and people think its michael jackson singing! Please tell me I'm dreaming! PLEASE!

Who's youtube account is this????
 
so this really was going on behind scenes even before the teaser was even released.

can't believe the estate and sony still released it....
 
what did Teddy say about McClain and the estate ?

Please:

The below is the transcript (not perfect I really typed fast there could be parts that I missed and misunderstood and I omitted non album related stuff) of Teddy Riley interview he had done last night. You can listen it from the following link starting at 1:34

http://gyantunplugged.com/exclusive...plus-discusses-the-greedy-people-out-for-mjs/


Q = Jackson family has come out publicly and said that these tracks are fake and they are not indeed Michael Jackson . We said let's call Teddy he'll know.
TR = This is my first interview about this topic. Take everything I say seriously. I have been a real friend to Michael Jackson, this record is coming out tomorrow and I'm still haven't gotten paid for this project. Because I did it for Michael Jackson. Not for Sony. Not for the family. Understand what I'm saying and you can read between the lines. Everyone including who we are talking about is bickering and fighting over Michael. It's unimportant, the important thing is to have his legacy going. These vocals are Michael Jackson. All of the people who have been in the studio with Michael for 20 years all the professionals and musicologists went in and they all say it's Michael including me. We worked with Michael, we have been in the studio with Michael. There has been times when Michael didn't even want to be around family and friends. So read between the lines. None of them have been in the studio with Michael for 25 years. None of them. Everyone - exclude Sony - all the people stayed with Michael like Michael Franks who is Michael's right arm like Brett Boxter the guy who always records Michael. All of these people knows Michael's voice. I'm called the finisher because I'm always called at the end of the projects. Michael called me at the end of Invincible. I was called in the end of History including Dangerous I was called in the end and wind up having doing 40-50% of the album. I'm called at the end of every project and I was called at the end of this project because some of the producers that worked on this project had never worked with Michael so they couldn't really figure out what Michael really wanted. They were doing remixes. So when you hear this record you'll hear the records that I worked on. All of a sudden my records that's being scrutinized. It's Michael. And the person who is really trying to stir this up is JM. He challenged me on this record. He is the head of the estate and he challenged me because I said I can't work in this studio I'm not comfortable and I when I left the studio he assigned another producer to mix the same songs that I have worked on and my songs beat him. Now all of a sudden it's not Michael's voice why? Because his songs didn't make it.

Q = So this is a smear campaign
TR= yes it is and the thing is they will lose. Take Sony, take us all, let's go to court. Let's put it on front street and everything the family the estate will be on the front street. And all the truth will come out and you'll see who is right and wrong. It's been going on so long. Michael is the greatest entertainer, greatest person in the whole wide world why would you want to do that to your family? Let the legacy live.

Q= what is your take on the album being released?
TR= My take is keeping the legacy going. How would we keep Michael Jackson the greatest going if we don't have anything. Now I heard 50 records with my own ears. What he would do is go record the first verse and the chorus and he wouldn't do a second verse just to get the idea going. So the next album coming you know I don't want to say too much but the next album coming is a duet album that's gonna be with a lot of great artists because he only did the first verses. It would be great artists with substance. It would be artists that are very creative and great. And I'm going to be a part of that because of my contribution. Even to this album my contribution to this album is not for Sony is not for anyone it's for Michael. The proof is in the pudding I didn't even got a contract. I promise you. They'll streaming it tomorrow. and people will tell you I came on this project because of Michael not anyone else. So when this gentleman told me to come to this project and don't worry it was for him to put his name on my records.

Q= I take you have your attorney's on for tomorrow?
TR= No question. My attorney is the greatest attorney in Atlanta (Joel Katz) so I'm not worried about anything he's the best. All I worry is my friend (MJ) having a great album. When I started the first song they thought that I'll be like the other producers taking 5 -6 days. No I took 5 hours and finished the first song. So when I finished the first song , they thought I'll do one song because a lot producers spent months on one song. Me I came in did it in 5 hours because I knew I had sounds that Michael made us go sample that was his thing sounds. He made us go in the wilderness and sample, go to his zoo and sample lions . Back in the day when they had stereo decks he made us go out sample sounds. He went out to his zoo in Neverland and sampled wild animals. Well that's another story to tell. There's so much friction and people just don't understand family everyone needs to get this legacy going. Like everyone saying "Elvis is still alive" Well you are killing Michael. Why? I wanted to tell you that all that's going on is all about money and everyone is in it for the wrong reasons. Their intentions are wrong.

Q= How did you feel when you were working on this project.
TR= Listen I did everything under the sun cried, sad. Then I came in one day I said the only thing that would make me feel like Michael is here is that I called his photographer Harrison Funk and asked him to come in and bring all the pictures of Michael. I had pictures all around the studio which you can probably see if we do a documentary. So you'll see pictures of Michael all around the studio so that I can feel like he's in the room with me. That was the only thing to keep me sane and not go crazy because you would hear me on the music hitting the keyboards and tears coming out of my eyes.

Q = do you think conspiracy (asking about the album)
TR= Definitely conspiracy. I cannot say directly say it because I signed a nondisclosure agreement. There has been a conspiracy from A to Z. There are people who are doing this for good because they are doing it for the good of the children. There are people who are stopping it because they think good of the children is not in their best interest. ( He declines to comment about Michael's death and conspiracy ).
 
Sorry to throw this in here... but has anybody got a link to somewhere I can download the MP3 of "Breaking news"

Thank you
 
If it isn't Michael singing on the verses, I would blame Cascio, not Sony. Sony would not pay millions of dollars for the music rights and the cost of the album for work they knew was fake. Cascio is the one who was there in the studio. If it isn't Michael, he is to blame for defrauding everyone.

And Estate/Sony certainly heard the song before it is released. If it's fake, why was it released? WHY all this? This story is a big mess. :doh: :bugeyed







The below is the transcript (not perfect I really typed fast there could be parts that I missed and misunderstood and I omitted non album related stuff) of Teddy Riley interview he had done last night. You can listen it from the following link starting at 1:34

http://gyantunplugged.com/exclusive...plus-discusses-the-greedy-people-out-for-mjs/


Q = Jackson family has come out publicly and said that these tracks are fake and they are not indeed Michael Jackson . We said let's call Teddy he'll know.
TR = This is my first interview about this topic. Take everything I say seriously. I have been a real friend to Michael Jackson, this record is coming out tomorrow and I'm still haven't gotten paid for this project. Because I did it for Michael Jackson. Not for Sony. Not for the family. Understand what I'm saying and you can read between the lines. Everyone including who we are talking about is bickering and fighting over Michael. It's unimportant, the important thing is to have his legacy going. These vocals are Michael Jackson. All of the people who have been in the studio with Michael for 20 years all the professionals and musicologists went in and they all say it's Michael including me. We worked with Michael, we have been in the studio with Michael. There has been times when Michael didn't even want to be around family and friends. So read between the lines. None of them have been in the studio with Michael for 25 years. None of them. Everyone - exclude Sony - all the people stayed with Michael like Michael Franks who is Michael's right arm like Brett Boxter the guy who always records Michael. All of these people knows Michael's voice. I'm called the finisher because I'm always called at the end of the projects. Michael called me at the end of Invincible. I was called in the end of History including Dangerous I was called in the end and wind up having doing 40-50% of the album. I'm called at the end of every project and I was called at the end of this project because some of the producers that worked on this project had never worked with Michael so they couldn't really figure out what Michael really wanted. They were doing remixes. So when you hear this record you'll hear the records that I worked on. All of a sudden my records that's being scrutinized. It's Michael. And the person who is really trying to stir this up is JM. He challenged me on this record. He is the head of the estate and he challenged me because I said I can't work in this studio I'm not comfortable and I when I left the studio he assigned another producer to mix the same songs that I have worked on and my songs beat him. Now all of a sudden it's not Michael's voice why? Because his songs didn't make it.

Q = So this is a smear campaign
TR= yes it is and the thing is they will lose. Take Sony, take us all, let's go to court. Let's put it on front street and everything the family the estate will be on the front street. And all the truth will come out and you'll see who is right and wrong. It's been going on so long. Michael is the greatest entertainer, greatest person in the whole wide world why would you want to do that to your family? Let the legacy live.

Q= what is your take on the album being released?
TR= My take is keeping the legacy going. How would we keep Michael Jackson the greatest going if we don't have anything. Now I heard 50 records with my own ears. What he would do is go record the first verse and the chorus and he wouldn't do a second verse just to get the idea going. So the next album coming you know I don't want to say too much but the next album coming is a duet album that's gonna be with a lot of great artists because he only did the first verses. It would be great artists with substance. It would be artists that are very creative and great. And I'm going to be a part of that because of my contribution. Even to this album my contribution to this album is not for Sony is not for anyone it's for Michael. The proof is in the pudding I didn't even got a contract. I promise you. They'll streaming it tomorrow. and people will tell you I came on this project because of Michael not anyone else. So when this gentleman told me to come to this project and don't worry it was for him to put his name on my records.

Q= I take you have your attorney's on for tomorrow?
TR= No question. My attorney is the greatest attorney in Atlanta (Joel Katz) so I'm not worried about anything he's the best. All I worry is my friend (MJ) having a great album. When I started the first song they thought that I'll be like the other producers taking 5 -6 days. No I took 5 hours and finished the first song. So when I finished the first song , they thought I'll do one song because a lot producers spent months on one song. Me I came in did it in 5 hours because I knew I had sounds that Michael made us go sample that was his thing sounds. He made us go in the wilderness and sample, go to his zoo and sample lions . Back in the day when they had stereo decks he made us go out sample sounds. He went out to his zoo in Neverland and sampled wild animals. Well that's another story to tell. There's so much friction and people just don't understand family everyone needs to get this legacy going. Like everyone saying "Elvis is still alive" Well you are killing Michael. Why? I wanted to tell you that all that's going on is all about money and everyone is in it for the wrong reasons. Their intentions are wrong.

Q= How did you feel when you were working on this project.
TR= Listen I did everything under the sun cried, sad. Then I came in one day I said the only thing that would make me feel like Michael is here is that I called his photographer Harrison Funk and asked him to come in and bring all the pictures of Michael. I had pictures all around the studio which you can probably see if we do a documentary. So you'll see pictures of Michael all around the studio so that I can feel like he's in the room with me. That was the only thing to keep me sane and not go crazy because you would hear me on the music hitting the keyboards and tears coming out of my eyes.

Q = do you think conspiracy (asking about the album)
TR= Definitely conspiracy. I cannot say directly say it because I signed a nondisclosure agreement. There has been a conspiracy from A to Z. There are people who are doing this for good because they are doing it for the good of the children. There are people who are stopping it because they think good of the children is not in their best interest. ( He declines to comment about Michael's death and conspiracy ).

:bugeyed :bugeyed :bugeyed No comments!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks Ivy! :)
 
^ Obviously, sony and the estate don't care about Michael's legacy.
 
I DO have to admit now, after reading his interview...i am having serious doubts. He comes off SO genuine and honest, he's not even afraid if it would get taken to court. That IS saying something. Also what he says about all the other people MJ worked with for 20 years, that they knew for sure it was Michael.
 
Francesco Cascio: Sadly to say its Not Sony In this case. "Breaking News" is a great song. The mix on the version that you heard is not correct, that being said, It is 100% Michael voice. He recorded it in my home in NJ in 2007. Please, th...e fans should be enjoying this special moment as It is special!!! There are people out there trying to take that away from you " The Fans " and the world... "Jealousy" Please embrace this song as Michael was very proud of it.. I hope this find you Well. thank you for supporting MJ all these years. He loved all of his Fans from the bottom of his heart, you were his extended Family and what kept him going. Please read between the lines in this situation. All my love, Frank
 
Maybe this is MJ afterall. Hmm

Did MJ sound like this in 2007 if you manipulated his voice a lot - maybe.

MJ said himself he liked to put sounds under the microscope and manipulate the sound of it. - Maybe this is a new way MJ wanted to try. Have fun manipulating the voice?

I don't know.
 
Francesco Cascio: Sadly to say its Not Sony In this case. "Breaking News" is a great song. The mix on the version that you heard is not correct, that being said, It is 100% Michael voice. He recorded it in my home in NJ in 2007. Please, th...e fans should be enjoying this special moment as It is special!!! There are people out there trying to take that away from you " The Fans " and the world... "Jealousy" Please embrace this song as Michael was very proud of it.. I hope this find you Well. thank you for supporting MJ all these years. He loved all of his Fans from the bottom of his heart, you were his extended Family and what kept him going. Please read between the lines in this situation. All my love, Frank

The mix we hear is not correct? -- what does that mean ?
 
Well based on Teddy Rileys comments, it is MJ for sure. I thought it was MJ when I first heard it but Teddy's comments finalized it for me in my mind.
 
If the Cascio's, Sony and TR are soooo sure that Michael is singing this song, maybe they should give us the Demo to hear for ourselves.

Mr. Cascio has just said that the mix is wrong on the version we hear and that makes it sound fake, give us the Demo and we can hear it for ourselves... the Demo Michael recorded, with his unmanipulated voice!
 
I just don't know it anymore....one side of my firmly believes

Teddy Riley is not lying, he sounds way too honest and genuine here. Also what he explained about Mcclain and such...it does make sense if that's true what he says about that his producing was done before Mcclain's other producer had finished the songs.

And the possibility that MJ INDEED was trying out new things, and that Sony had to alter and edit things, because this recording wasn't final.

The other side believes this......

WHY would his three nephews lie? I read all their messages, they really seem honest about wanting to keep his legacy alive, but in a good way. And i also would like to believe Katherine and such.....


So basically.....i fucking have NO IDEA ANYMORE! But i really don't like it ONE bit that we have to have all this shit , this whole fiasco...it would have been so awesome if we could have simply enjoyed this, 100% knowing for sure it's our hero on the record. Instead of that we hear lies lies lies.....or vice versa :(
 
I never thought it's completely not Michael. I clearly heard Michael in part of the song. The issue is Sony, and even Teddy Riley, thinks it's okay to fill in the gap with other artists or production tricks like layering vocals and autotuning, to a point that Michael's original vocal is barely recognizable.

How can I enjoy it if this is the quality of songs that they deem okay to release? I've never been a conspiracy theory supporter. I don't pay attention to the Jackson family dramas. I just want to put my faith in music and I always believe music will speak for itself.

But, unfortunately, that's not the case with Breaking News. :doh:

Now, everyone is pointing finger. The family blames Sony and the Estate. Teddy Riley blames John McClain. Frank Cascio blames Teddy Riley by saying the mix is not correct.

WHAT A MESS!!!
 
Francesco Cascio: Sadly to say its Not Sony In this case. "Breaking News" is a great song. The mix on the version that you heard is not correct, that being said, It is 100% Michael voice. He recorded it in my home in NJ in 2007. Please, th...e fans should be enjoying this special moment as It is special!!! There are people out there trying to take that away from you " The Fans " and the world... "Jealousy" Please embrace this song as Michael was very proud of it.. I hope this find you Well. thank you for supporting MJ all these years. He loved all of his Fans from the bottom of his heart, you were his extended Family and what kept him going. Please read between the lines in this situation. All my love, Frank

FAKE FAKE

SHAME ON YOU cascio man !!
 
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