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Michael - The Great Album Debate

larry141094 said:
No it isn't, its a statement in the form of a rhetorical question. My answer is this, Sony gave us their statement with 6 producers who KNOW Michael and worked with him until his death to take a look and back up their claims. The Cascios also have no reason to lie, why would they? Take away the Cascio's and the 6 Producers, and you actually have something that may be of value. But because of the support of people who knew Michael, i would take that as an indication that Sony at the very least believes everything they are saying
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And just as many producers have said it isn't Michael, so what's your point? And the Cascio's have no reason to lie? Give me a break.
 
Paw said:
Good day,all the believers and doubters.Glad to see yall go in circle again.lol
Hmmm,what about a Q&A with JM?
Nah,I mean John McClain.He has your answers.
What about another Q&A with Cory Rooney?
He and Taryll Jackson lied a lot about this controversy,maybe we can call them unknowers or blabbers?
Don't be messin' around,let's do it!
lol.
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What makes you believe they lied and EC/JP didn't? What have they done to suggest they are liars?
 
Aniram said:
Hello everyone! :) Life has been really busy for me lately, but I miss you guys and wanted to see how things were going so I came back to read up a little bit. There have been some very good posts recently, I'm interested in finding out what some of the major things are that are being done. I feel sick every time I am reminded of this horrible act that has been done to Michael and the fans. I think it's amazing that so many of the same faces are still here, fighting for it to be recognized. I have great respect for you, thank you!
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Who are you? :D
 
larry141094 said:
No it isn't, its a statement in the form of a rhetorical question. My answer is this, Sony gave us their statement with 6 producers who KNOW Michael and worked with him until his death to take a look and back up their claims. The Cascios also have no reason to lie, why would they? Take away the Cascio's and the 6 Producers, and you actually have something that may be of value. But because of the support of people who knew Michael, i would take that as an indication that Sony at the very least believes everything they are saying
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Your whole theory is based on actually "why would they lie". Nice proof.
 
larry141094 said:
Michael would of hated what is happening, you guys are doing what everyone did to him. Buy into rumours and speculation and present them as fact
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Well, you're trying to present the statement as fact despite no proof whatsoever.
 
IMO if Cascio tracks were really sung by Michael, we wouldn't have this debate since 2010 in 1820 pages now. Fans just know what they hear. I usually think first time impression is important. First Cascio track I heard was Breaking News. I was really WTF the moment when vocals started.
 
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larry141094 said:
Michael would of hated what is happening, you guys are doing what everyone did to him. Buy into rumours and speculation and present them as fact
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Nah, people here just discuss their doubts and concerns about 12 songs that don't sound anything like MJ, at least to a large amount of people. They have the right to discuss it, don't they? If you don't want to participate,if you feel offended by the thread, you can ingore the it and move on. Or just read why this debate is going on for so long. People just didn't go crazy or deaf from one moment to the other. They just don't hear MJ on the Cascio songs.
 
larry141094 said:
Michael would of hated what is happening, you guys are doing what everyone did to him. Buy into rumours and speculation and present them as fact
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Don't pull that card....That's low...

In the same token, I think Michael would have hated these songs being released when they don't sound like ANYTHING he's ever sounded like, if these songs are actually him...If his own fans can't recognize him, you think he would have been happy with that?
 
i totally agree that this thread wouldn't still exist if these songs were really sung by mj. The debate would have ended years ago and there'd probably be 10 pages, not 1821. The same thing would have happened to it that happened to the "is hollywood tonight really mj?" thread. oh, u never saw that thread? that's because it died after a few days because it was ridiculous.
 
I think it should be pretty clear by now that the vocals are not Michael's. At least I think the majority of fans have finally come to this conclusion. I knew the moment I heard Breaking News.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
lol..
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And you think that people who have been fans for decades are doing on purpose not to hear MJ on those songs which had been recorded without witnesses, without worktapes and registered after his death by one guy who allegedly "wouldn't lie"?
 
I know my words won't be taken seriously.That’s why I suggest a Q&A with Cory Rooney.You can read it yourself.
Let’s do something helpful instead of circling round and round.
 
Paw;3651322 said:
I know my words won't be taken seriously.That’s why I suggest a Q&A with Cory Rooney.You can read it yourself.
Let’s do something helpful instead of circling round and round.
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Although we're going in circles, every time the circle gets bigger and bigger filled with more details. This won't be forgotten till every single rock has been lifted and analysed what's under it. Some of those rocks are being hidden by the ones who should play the transparency card and show them.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Although we're going in circles, every time the circle gets bigger and bigger filled with more details. This won't be forgotten till every single rock has been lifted and analysed what's under it. Some of those rocks are being hidden by the ones who should play the transparency card and show them.
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It's getting no bigger for a long time. :)
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
lol..
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"Causal determinism: we are hard-wired to find answers. The caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked to see what it was lived longer than the guy who assumed it was just a breeze. The problem is, when we don't find a logical answer, we settle for a stupid one...Ritual is what happens when we run out of rational." (Dr. Gregory House)
 
So the obsession is still going on. What I see here is a topic with pretty much all the "active" doubters and pretty much "zero" believes. They gave up on the constant crap. As am I. I'm focussing on Bad 25th and a possible release for the other cascio songs. I'd still love to hear them.

You know, this thread reached 1821 pages, but that doesn't mean that it's now a fact MJ didn't sing on these songs (obvious lol). It means "we've" been going around in circles for 1821 pages. When I look at the chat and see some people post lyrics from some cascio songs, do you know what that makes me think? You guys want attention. Because this thread is dying and people are moving on. The issue isn't solved, no, but people are moving on. Think about that. And with that, I too, will leave this thread happily!

When there's something new regarding the cascio's I'll come and take a look, but for now, bye bye.

P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
 
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IvoDT said:
So the obsession is still going on.
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If you believed what we believed, wouldn't you be "obsessed" too?

What I see here is a topic with pretty much all the "active" doubters and pretty much "zero" believes. They gave up on the constant crap. As am I. I'm focussing on Bad 25th
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So are we, it's not hard to follow two threads at once.

and a possible release for the other cascio songs. I'd still love to hear them.
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:lol:

You know, this thread reached 1821 pages, but that doesn't mean that it's now a fact MJ didn't sing on these songs (obvious lol). It means "we've" been going around in circles for 1821 pages. When I look at the chat and see some people post lyrics from some cascio songs, do you know what that makes me think? You guys want attention.
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Of course we want attention to be brought to this issue. Why wouldn't we? Put yourself in our shoes.

Because this thread is dying and people are moving on. The issue isn't solves, no, but people are moving on. Think about that.
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Not for long.

And with that, I too, will leave this thread happily!
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When there's something new regarding the cascio's I'll come and take a look, but for now, bye bye.

P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
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The quote was relevant. It's not about making people look smarter.
 
IvoDT said:
So the obsession is still going on. What I see here is a topic with pretty much all the "active" doubters and pretty much "zero" believes. They gave up on the constant crap. As am I. I'm focussing on Bad 25th and a possible release for the other cascio songs. I'd still love to hear them.

You know, this thread reached 1821 pages, but that doesn't mean that it's now a fact MJ didn't sing on these songs (obvious lol). It means "we've" been going around in circles for 1821 pages. When I look at the chat and see some people post lyrics from some cascio songs, do you know what that makes me think? You guys want attention. Because this thread is dying and people are moving on. The issue isn't solved, no, but people are moving on. Think about that. And with that, I too, will leave this thread happily!

When there's something new regarding the cascio's I'll come and take a look, but for now, bye bye.

P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
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Bye bye...

The P.S. is so unnecessary... :sigh:

I'm quite tired of people who come in here, contribute nothing but just aim to throw jabs to others.
 
IvoDT said:
So the obsession is still going on. What I see here is a topic with pretty much all the "active" doubters and pretty much "zero" believes. They gave up on the constant crap. As am I. I'm focussing on Bad 25th and a possible release for the other cascio songs. I'd still love to hear them.

You know, this thread reached 1821 pages, but that doesn't mean that it's now a fact MJ didn't sing on these songs (obvious lol). It means "we've" been going around in circles for 1821 pages. When I look at the chat and see some people post lyrics from some cascio songs, do you know what that makes me think? You guys want attention. Because this thread is dying and people are moving on. The issue isn't solved, no, but people are moving on. Think about that. And with that, I too, will leave this thread happily!

When there's something new regarding the cascio's I'll come and take a look, but for now, bye bye.

P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
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And I see there are still people who like to come in here and criticise us for caring about Michael's legacy and wanting answers to a very serious situation. The reason believers like you don't come in here and contribute anything is because you have absolutely nothing to back up your fantasy that it's Michael singing these songs. And why are you asking for the remaining Cascio songs to be released when you know the harm it would do to any album they were included on? Besides, most of us here have heard them all anyway. And I'm glad you commented on me posting the Cascio lyrics. That's exactly what I wanted. As Michael said to Diane Sawyer "they fell into my trap." Good bye. And enjoy your fake songs.
 
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
lol..
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Humour me. Explain the change in Michael's pronounciation to that of Jason Cupeta's, using evidence and comparisons with any other recording - doesn't have to be MJ at all. Then tell me what specifically, naming the software or tech ideally, that caused this in the Cascio studio.
 
IvoDT said:
So the obsession is still going on. What I see here is a topic with pretty much all the "active" doubters and pretty much "zero" believes. They gave up on the constant crap. As am I. I'm focussing on Bad 25th and a possible release for the other cascio songs. I'd still love to hear them.

You know, this thread reached 1821 pages, but that doesn't mean that it's now a fact MJ didn't sing on these songs (obvious lol). It means "we've" been going around in circles for 1821 pages. When I look at the chat and see some people post lyrics from some cascio songs, do you know what that makes me think? You guys want attention. Because this thread is dying and people are moving on. The issue isn't solved, no, but people are moving on. Think about that. And with that, I too, will leave this thread happily!

When there's something new regarding the cascio's I'll come and take a look, but for now, bye bye.

P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
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It's quite obvious judging from this post who is the one who wants attention. Who comes in here just to criticize their fellow MJ fans?
 
IvoDT said:
P.S: T.N.A, I got nothing against you etc, but using Dr. House quotes etc isn't making you look any smarter, lmao.
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I love how you say that it isn't making me look "any smarter" as if you acknowledge that I am, supposedly, already very smart and at this point I couldn't possibly be any smarter, no matter who and what I quote. That's quite flattering but I doubt that's what you actually meant.

(this was a joke btw, in case you might be incapable of understanding online sarcasm)

Nah, it's okay. I mean, I rarely come here to post but the last time I did, I saw the last few posts and that particular quote came to my mind. I was gonna say something pretty similar but since it was basically the same thing, I though I might as well put the whole quote and credit whoever said it originally.

It was indeed relevant to the discussion and my intention was to contribute to it using that quote. Again, I could've said it myself or reformulate it but since it was basically the exact same thing, I just put the quote itself. Also, is the character who originally said it relevant at all? It could've been anybody. If you want I can post other relevant quotes by other important characters or people.

I also like the 'lmao' at the end of your PS. As if what you just said was completely hilarious. :lol:

In all honesty though, what was I thinking? Coming here, posting relevant quotes and being a pretentious smartass by contributing to the discussion with something relevent... I should be ashamed of myself.
 
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I havent moved on yet. I want a straight answer. Geez....tons of people havent forgotten the Cascio tracks
 
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