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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Arklove said:
Yeah, probably :(...But then we give them some real MJ songs ;) :D
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Arklove said:
:dropdead: I just LOOOOVE this...have you ever seen a more beautiful smile? :wub:
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Originally Posted by azsummergirl
This has been interesting conversation the last page or two. I think its a reminder of what's really important. I love Michael as a humanitarian. I love him as a fashion Icon. I love him as a man and as a dancer. But at the heart of it all what I REALLY love-what I need-is the singer. His voice is what I fell in love with in the first place and its the one thing that will keep me coming back to Michael. Forever.
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Yup..ditto and ditto and ditto...I don't understand why not everybody is a fan, lol. Everybody should be...
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How could I forget his smile?..:doh: :D

Some more favourites of mine:

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^^ Another one I absolutely love is when he's talking to Diane Sawyer in the studio with his hair pulled back all slick...That smile, oh yum :D
 
Arklove said:
^^ Another one I absolutely love is when he's talking to Diane Sawyer in the studio with his hair pulled back all slick...That smile, oh yum :D
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Yum, yum that bubble gum...

I knew it!

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Arky, thanks for posting the quotes. Now, you make me want to drag that 26-lb book out from my closet and absorb myself in it. The Opus is beautiful and I'm too afraid to put it on my coffee table. I want to keep it clean.

The writings on the Opus are among some of the best and most thoughtful I have read.
 
Please don't post Jason songs. I'm going through all the Cascio tracks now and enough is enough! Sick of hearing the git.
 
I rarely come in here but, I have to comment on this:
according to Eddie, those songs were not demos, but "hard worked and MJ would be absolutely happy about their release."
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How can he say that given the amount of reworked those tracked recieved to try and make it sound like MJ. :blink: Even Teddy had to admit in trying to do the best he could with what he had! lol
 
Im sorry, but I dont have probelms with Eddie, i just want answers to the tracks. Hiding is kinda suspious
 
chamife said:
the main focus in this thread is not on the cascio family. It's on the songs which happened to be produced by eddie cascio. If the songs were offered by someone else, claiming michael and he worked together on them and it's michael we hear and it's michael who (co)wrote them, we would have the same discussion here, only with other names involved.
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"what's in a name? That which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet"

:D
 
Chamife said:
The main focus in this thread is not on the Cascio family. It's on the songs which happened to be produced by Eddie Cascio. If the songs were offered by someone else, claiming Michael and he worked together on them and it's Michael we hear and it's Michael who (co)wrote them, we would have the same discussion here, only with other names involved.
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Exactly! Some make it sound like we have a vandetta on the Cascios, which is an absurd idea.
 
I just wish people would actually READ through this thread and really try to understand our point of view before they come in here pointing fingers and condemning us. Our concerns are valid, all it takes is a little understanding. Just remember, when you point a finger, you've got three others pointing back at you ;)

I don't care about Eddie Cascio. I care about MICHAEL. I thought that was pretty obvious throughout this thread.
 
lucilla said:
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"what's in a name? That which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet"

:D
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Something like that, yeah..lol, but unfortunately the smell isn't that sweet.

ETA: Elapentela, you're a FACT kind of person (and so am I): According to Michael (Bashir interview), he could count the number of REAL friends on one hand. That means he had NO real friends left, when we consider the Cascio's his real friends.

I have no desire to let myself be seduced into this...sigh.
 
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Billyjeanplxiv said:
Im sorry, but I dont have probelms with Eddie, i just want answers to the tracks. Hiding is kinda suspious
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I don't think Eddie is hiding anything. My theory and hope is that he moved on with his life and just doesn't have the time to follow the controversy. I'm positive he will present the proofs when he will have the need for it. For example as a defendant in the court case if someone would charge him legally with the fraud.

I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
 
elapentela said:
I don't think Eddie is hiding anything. My theory and hope is that he moved on with his life and just doesn't have the time to follow the controversy. I'm positive he will present the proofs when he will have the need for it. For example as a defendant in the court case if someone would charge him legally with the fraud.

I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
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If he worked with Michael, where are the traces of these songs? There is NOTHING. If Michael was so enthusiastic about Eddie's progress, well, it's safe to say that Eddie would be excited to have worked with Michael too? Where his enthusiasm? Anecdotes? If I worked with Michael Jackson, I'd want to share that working experience. It just seems a little odd that Eddie has nothing but vague recall when it comes to working on TWELVE (!!!!) MJ songs.

Even Joe Vogel couldn't get an interview or any information about these songs out of Eddie Cascio. That's a red flag for me.

We have countless other producers (Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley re: Dangerous, Rodney Jerkins, Will I Am, etc, etc) who have shared their experiences with much enthusiasm on several different occasions. Why don't we hear about those musical experiences from Eddie? Especially as an aspiring producer? I mean, MICHAEL JACKSON! ANY producer would have wanted to work with him, let alone an amateur.

Moved on with his life? Doesn't have time to follow the controversy? If his friendship with Michael means so much to him, and he KNOWS how important Michael's fans were to him, it'd be in his best interest to acknowledge the fan split that has occurred as a result of the damage these tracks have caused. His lack of communication while the fans fight is disheartening and one cannot blame fans for wondering why we've been left hanging for almost 2 years after those songs were released. A little transparency would go a long way.
 
elapentela said:
I don't think Eddie is hiding anything. My theory and hope is that he moved on with his life and just doesn't have the time to follow the controversy. I'm positive he will present the proofs when he will have the need for it. For example as a defendant in the court case if someone would charge him legally with the fraud.

I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
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Call me curious, when Michael told you about Eddie's progress as a musicain and producer, did he mention to you that he actually recorded 12 demos with Eddie? When you talked to Michael in Vegas, what year was that? Before 2007 or after 2007? This is the kind of information I want to know. We just knew so very little about these mysterious songs that seem to come from nowhere. Nobody knew they exist before Roger Friedman broke the story in 2010.

I wish Eddie can see providing information to fans as sharing stories about Michael's creative process instead of proving himself only when necessary. Oh well... he has rights to do whatever he wants.
 
elapentela said:
I don't think Eddie is hiding anything. My theory and hope is that he moved on with his life and just doesn't have the time to follow the controversy. I'm positive he will present the proofs when he will have the need for it. For example as a defendant in the court case if someone would charge him legally with the fraud.

I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
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You met with MJ three times and for some reason he would bring up to you Eddie Cascio each time? And since Mike was so enthusiastic about Eddie and he couldn't stop talking about his talent in music, did he also said anything to you about those 12 songs that they allegedly recorded together? And besides Eddie, did he said anything else to you?
 
If Cascios loved disclosing everything between them and MJ,MJ wouldn't keep that close to them like he actually did.
You guys.OMG!Too much.
 
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elapentela said:
I don't think Eddie is hiding anything. My theory and hope is that he moved on with his life and just doesn't have the time to follow the controversy. I'm positive he will present the proofs when he will have the need for it. For example as a defendant in the court case if someone would charge him legally with the fraud.

I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
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I find this hard to believe. Why would Michael be talking to a fan about Eddie Cascio, a friendship which he actually kept very private? Could you state the exact place and date you spoke to Michael so it can be verified? If you met Michael in Ireland then it must have been at his house. Highly unlikely. Either way, it makes no difference whatsoever. Eddie has absolutely nothing except twelve tracks that were sold on a hard drive to Sony. No outtakes, notes, nothing to show that Michael went anywhere near these songs.
The very fact that these songs were sold for such ridiculous amounts of money instead of being passed on to Michael's children, shows just how much his "friendship" with Michael meant.
 
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Who drops 12 unconvincing MJ tracks out of the blue and then moves on with their lives as if nothin? I guess the equally waste of time that was the Oprah interview was good enough for em?
 
Paw said:
If Cascios loved disclosing everything between them and MJ,MJ wouldn't keep that close to them like he actually did.
You guys.OMG!Too much.
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Huh? We're talking about the disclosure of MUSICAL experiences with Michael, not disclosure of his private life...I hardly think Michael would have kicked Eddie to the curb if he shared his musical experiences with him with the public, or for a book about his music and art.
 
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It amazes me that people still think there is some proof that these songs are real. It doesn't exist. Never did and never will.
 
Paw said:
If Cascios loved disclosing everything between them and MJ,MJ wouldn't keep that close to them like he actually did.
You guys.OMG!Too much.
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You do realise Frank Cascio wrote a book detailing MJ's private life for profit right?
 
elapentela said:
I spoke with MJ about Eddie's future as a musician on 3 different occasions when I met him during my business trips in Ireland and US (LA and Las Vegas). Every time he sounded very enthusiastic and even proud when he talked about Eddie's progress in developing his producing skills.
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^^Well I think I have read/seen/heard everything now. If this is true, which I doubt, it merely shows that Michael is a very kind person who does not indulge in speaking ill of others.
 
Paw said:
If Cascios loved disclosing everything between them and MJ,MJ wouldn't keep that close to them like he actually did.
You guys.OMG!Too much.
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Right, that's why they made the right move when they waited for MJ not to be around to write a book about his private life.
 
Arklove said:
If he worked with Michael, where are the traces of these songs? There is NOTHING. If Michael was so enthusiastic about Eddie's progress, well, it's safe to say that Eddie would be excited to have worked with Michael too? Where his enthusiasm? Anecdotes? If I worked with Michael Jackson, I'd want to share that working experience. It just seems a little odd that Eddie has nothing but vague recall when it comes to working on TWELVE (!!!!) MJ songs.

Even Joe Vogel couldn't get an interview or any information about these songs out of Eddie Cascio. That's a red flag for me.

We have countless other producers (Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley re: Dangerous, Rodney Jerkins, Will I Am, etc, etc) who have shared their experiences with much enthusiasm on several different occasions. Why don't we hear about those musical experiences from Eddie? Especially as an aspiring producer? I mean, MICHAEL JACKSON! ANY producer would have wanted to work with him, let alone an amateur.

Moved on with his life? Doesn't have time to follow the controversy? If his friendship with Michael means so much to him, and he KNOWS how important Michael's fans were to him, it'd be in his best interest to acknowledge the fan split that has occurred as a result of the damage these tracks have caused. His lack of communication while the fans fight is disheartening and one cannot blame fans for wondering why we've been left hanging for almost 2 years after those songs were released. A little transparency would go a long way.
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Actually we don't know what he has or does not have.
 
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