BUMPER SNIPPET
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thank you to those who responded to my questions.
Bumper Snippet, i don't have strong opinions on this either way. although i have been listening a lot to MJ's music, i still humbly submit that i am no expert. i may have said to myself that there was something different to those vocals, especially if i compare them to Best of Joy or his older songs, but i guess i finally put it down to over-production from original demos that were very bare. i've gone back and forth on this a lot but for now, i choose to 'keep the faith' until concrete proof shows up.
Dangerous, 2000 Watts, Shout, are quite over-produced, yet they are undeniably MJ. Although some might have been surprised when hearing those three songs for the first time, they never raise such a level of suspicion as the Cascio tracks.
From the moment I hear the supposed MJ's voice that I have difficulties to recognize and from that same moment I blame it on the over-production or anything else regarding the oddity, I simply consider the situation as abnormal. I mean what is the logic behind "doesn't sound like MJ" = "over-production" = "ok it's MJ, but it doesn't sound like him"?
Over-production or not, the result is the same = doesn't sound like MJ. The responsible ones have played with MJ's legacy by inculding unrecognizable vocals on an official product supposed to be penned by MJ, yet excused as over-produced, copy-pasted, over-processed, and what not material without a single physical evidence. On top of that they hired forensics. I mean, come on.
What kind of business fool would include MJ's supposed songs on an official album when needing forensics (due to the lack of physical proof and witnesses) to tell them whether it's him or not?
i think you were the one who talked about 'dialect.' when i read that post many pages back, i kinda understood what you meant, but that was in relation to another unreleased track from the Cascios - i think it was Carry On or Stay, whatever its true title is. it felt weird listening to that because it didn't sound like MJ, not the voice, not the way he pronounced words. but that song is supposed to be in a set with these other 3 songs, so - what to think? don't know. i am just confused.
I also provided clear pronunciation of the words in the three released songs.
The compromising words are the words containing -ALK- in the middle of the words.
For example words such as:
walk, talk, stalk, etc, Michael Jackson pronounces them in all of his songs according to the official standard US/UK English as suggested by the dictionaries and English US/UK phonetics.
The Cascio singer in the song Monster does not pronounce them the way they are supposed to be pronounced officially. The word "stalk"
in "Monster" and in "Breaking News" sound closer to the pronunciation of the word "stuck" (short vowel /st?k/) than to the word
"stalk" (long vowel /st??k/). It is so subtle that even if MJ wanted to imitate another dialect I highly doubt he'd pronounce it "stuck" instead of usually pronouncing it the way he always had "stalk". Apart from the odd voice timbre, lack of husk/grit, shaky vibrato, snort, this weird pronunciation is a red flag for me, and it has always been from the very moment I heard it on Breaking News and on Monster.
I am not American. Neither do I speak different American dialects, so I have never forced anyone to believe my point of view. However, not only did I study world dialectology and general linguistics, I am also used to different accents and pronunciations thanks to my job position where I work with adult students from different backgrounds coming from all over the world speaking different languages with different accents. So teaching phonetics of the English language is something I do on the daily basis. And what I hear on the Cascio songs with some of those words (waiting, stalking,...) is certainly not Michael Jackson's usual pronunciation. That's why I wanted to see the forensic's report so badly. But they've been hiding it as if it was a military highly confidential document.
Furthermore, out of curiosity I did a little research on the American dialects and not surprisingly I found out that the way the singer pronounces those words (waiting, stalking,..) has the same characteristics as the Maryland dialect.
Now, objectively speaking, can I be wrong? Yes. Why? Because I base my analysis on the singing voice which can alter the way some words are pronounced (although I doubt that the length of the vowel could lead to the pronunciation of a completely different vowel, ? vs ??, unless it is a dialectal characteristic.)
However, I do not base my opinion only on the pronunciation. This latter is just an auxiliary disturbing detail added to the elephant in the room: to me the most disturbing part is the voice (timbre) itself, it is un-Michael's. At some points it's disturbingly similar to MJ's voice, if not Michael's (copy-pasted?) and yet doesn't sound natural. Everything in the voice seems over- and under-exaggerated: yelps, gulps, vibrato, whiny voice, lack of power, gritless, sparkless, ... frankensteinesque.
i don't like the thought that Malachi is being given too much credit as a voice-alike. but more than anything else, it's really very hard to wrap my head around the possibility that they could do this to Michael and get away with it. (i know, i repeat myself) it happened with Milli Vanilli, but how can ANYONE even attempt to do that with the KOP?
Malachi is just a suspect. The Cascio singer does sound a lot like Malachi. Is it him? Well that's another thing to prove. In any case, when you gather all the characteristics of the Cascio's singer's voice and compare them to Malachi's, they have more in common than Michael's usual voice. Again, that's why I wanted so badly to read the forensic's report.
what has Michael ever done to the Cascio family all these years for him to get this from Eddie? and if it was just Eddie that's the villain and Sony and the Estate were just caught in his trap, wouldn't it serve them a lot better if they stood up and exposed the fraud instead of choosing to keep quiet?
Surely it is Eddie's word against everyone else's. He's apparently the only direct witness, but has no single corroborating element to prove it's MJ except his friendship.
And remember, no matter what pictures you see or books you read, you will never ever be able to know what really people's relationship was deep inside of them. Using Eddie's friendship with MJ is an argument that tries to emotionally move people and influence them in believing that Eddie could never do such a thing.
We should make distinction between the emotion and the fact. Friendship = emotion, I have no problems with that, neither did I claim that Eddie wasn't friend with MJ.
BUT, set aside their friendship and emotions that it can trigger in the eyes or hearts of the public, what FACT do I have from Eddie's recording sessions with Michael Jackson? Not a thing!
So basically, I have to forget about what I hear, persuade myself that I am unable to recognize Michael Jackson, and take Eddie's word at face value, not because of any corroborating physical proof, but because of their friendship???
To me accepting this sounds like falling in love with Eddie's and MJ's friendship story and in the name of that highly emotional story forget everything odd about that voice and forgive Eddie for providing such tracks to SONY.
Well, I am not falling for it. Friendship is one thing, MJ's voice and legacy is another.
some pages back, or on another related thread, i also remember asking about the wisdom of choosing to release these over the actual outtakes - undoubtedly pure, unadulterated MJ. and though that decision sounds fishy, there's no way i could get to the answers. it's a dead end, in several ways. as you say, they're all mute on the questions that need answering.
From what I have heard, those versions are even worse. They contain even more obvious rip-offs and copy-pastes from Invincible (sound effects from Threatened), Ghosts/2Bad screams, "what about us" ad-libs from Earth Song, etc.
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