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Michael - The Great Album Debate

StellaJackson said:
They brought that on themselves. They deserve it. They released fraudulent songs in Michael's name, exploited him and exploited his fans, leaving behind a terrible mess in the fan community. If he is so concerned then he and his brother should speak up and set the record straight. Be the man and admit what they did.
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ivy said:
You know what I wonder. Entertain me. What if you are wrong?
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She's not wrong. They DID exploit Michael and us, regardless of the songs' authenticity issue. They offended me as a long time admirer of Jackson's art and I do believe they offended him, because his work ethic and dedication were the complete opposites of the product they sold under his name and continue to make money from.

What if one day the songs are proven to be real? What if one day you learn that Eddie for example had no role in any faking. What then? How are you going to explain this "they deserved it" logic? How are you going to fix it? A "sorry my bad"?
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What if the songs are never proven to be either real or fake. Will Eddie ever say "sorry my bad"? Say sorry to someone that called him a friend (Michael) and to his beloved fanbase?

It's my culture perhaps but there's a belief that a person who accuses an innocent would pay it ten-fold either in this life or after life.
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Eddie Cascio and James Porte (whoever that is hiding under this pseudonym) disrespected Michael, his art (something he so proudly represented in his lifetime), and his fans. Regardless of what these songs really are, these people's actions following the release are shameful.

Disrespecting a deceased friend. That's what they did.

Ivy, why is my join date July 2011? I've been a member since 2008.
 
love is magical said:
No, Frank didn't post any pictures of Michael in the basement studio. According to Frank, Frank and Eddie had a big fallout after the trial. When Michael stayed in the Cascio house, Frank was not in contact with Eddie. Frank would not know anything about the recording sessions.
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Oh thanks, but was he there on the TV show with Oprah when all the Cascio's were there. I can't remember now.
 
Found this:

http://www.drew.edu/news/2010/12/14/breaking-news

“The production time really cut into his ability to practice with the team,” recalls Men’s Soccer Head Coach Lenny Armuth, who may be one of the few people who knew of Cascio’s famous friend. “I knew that Michael was helping him build a studio at his house and that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.”

So if I understand it right the coach is saying that in 2007 Eddie Cascio still was a member of the soccer team, which had to do a lot without him at that time?

I know he's still in the staff of 'Bergen's Best Soccer Camp'.
 
Petrarose said:
Oh thanks, but was he there on the TV show with Oprah when all the Cascio's were there. I can't remember now.
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The only photo he showed was a photo of a basement with a mic stand and mattress. Michael was not seen in the photo.

There was a photo of Eddie and Michael. But, that one wasnt taken in a studio.
 
ivy said:
It's my culture perhaps but there's a belief that a person who accuses an innocent would pay it ten-fold either in this life or after life.
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Is he innocent of selling those songs which divided the community or not? I don't think so.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
The questions were butt-kissing and filtered. I am repeating it again. And I am writing what I want to write without accusing anyone.

I am basing my opinion on the video that I saw when Frank answered the 0.1% of asked questions.
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You know I do not see the need for Q&A from these types of people because they will stick to answers that would promote the agenda they want to promote. No Cascio is going to say, "yeah Michael did not sing all of the song, etc." So to me, Q&A in such situations are useless and pointless.

To me, the main reason for the 12 songs were for money. The person got the money so why should he go further to bring documented proof forward? They already got paid!!!
 
Chamife;3627095 said:
Found this:

http://www.drew.edu/news/2010/12/14/breaking-news

“The production time really cut into his ability to practice with the team,” recalls Men’s Soccer Head Coach Lenny Armuth, who may be one of the few people who knew of Cascio’s famous friend. “I knew that Michael was helping him build a studio at his house and that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.”

So if I understand it right the coach is saying that in 2007 Eddie Cascio still was a member of the soccer team, which had to do a lot without him at that time?

I know he's still in the staff of 'Bergen's Best Soccer Camp'.
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Good find. Interesting because the coach is saying that Michael was helping Eddie to write songs and build a studio during that time. At least that is my interpretation of it. But I always thought the studio was already there in the basement when Michael arrived "ready to work". And then at some point in time it was refurbished to look like it does in the Making of Michael documentary. Hmmmm. Unless the actual refurbishment took place while Michael was there. Maybe he helped Eddie with his expertise and maybe finances to put up a better studio than the more amateurish one he had before. That would explain what Michael was doing with his time at the Cascios. It also means that the photo on Oprah of the mike stand is from an earlier time.

It kind of makes sense. That's why Michael was sleeping in the studio. That's what he was doing there. He was helping to build the damn studio. He probably told Eddie he would return to record there but never did....
 
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Petrarose said:
You know I do not see the need for Q&A from these types of people because they will stick to answers that would promote the agenda they want to promote. No Cascio is going to say, "yeah Michael did not sing all of the song, etc." So to me, Q&A in such situations are useless and pointless.

To me, the main reason for the 12 songs were for money. The person got the money so why should he go further to bring documented proof forward? They already got paid!!!
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Well, it's not necessarily to ask if Michael sang these songs or not...He already said, 'That's Michael singing' on Oprah....I mean, that's all he can muster up after working with Michael Jackson?? I don't know if he somehow thinks that's enough or something...It's just we want more details, less vague responses....I guess he just doesn't HAVE that info, cuz there IS no info...

And agree with you about the money...
 
Arklove said:
Well, it's not necessarily to ask if Michael sang these songs or not...He already said, 'That's Michael singing' on Oprah....I mean, that's all he can muster up after working with Michael Jackson?? I don't know if he somehow thinks that's enough or something...It's just we want more details, less vague responses....I guess he just doesn't HAVE that info, cuz there IS no info...

And agree with you about the money...
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Yeah but you see, as you said "we want more details." However, it will not be given. If it was available it would be shown on Oprah or the Estate would include it in that letter we got in 2010. That is why I say NO to Q&As. You cannot get from a Q&A what you could not even get from an interview on TV that was MADE to bring light to the problem or provide more details in the first place.
 
StellaJackson said:
Good find. Interesting because the coach is saying that Michael was helping Eddie to write songs and build a studio during that time. At least that is my interpretation of it. But I always thought the studio was already there in the basement when Michael arrived "ready to work". And then at some point in time it was refurbished to look like it does in the Making of Michael documentary. Hmmmm. Unless the actual refurbishment took place while Michael was there. Maybe he helped Eddie with his expertise and maybe finances to put up a better studio than the more amateurish one he had before. That would explain what Michael was doing with his time at the Cascios. It also means that the photo on Oprah of the mike stand is from an earlier time.

It kind of makes sense. That's why Michael was sleeping in the studio. That's what he was doing there. He was helping to build the damn studio. He probably told Eddie he would return to record there but never did....
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MMMMmmmmm...interesting.
 
Petrarose said:
Yeah but you see, as you said "we want more details." However, it will not be given. If it was available it would be shown on Oprah or the Estate would include it in that letter we got in 2010. That is why I say NO to Q&As. You cannot get from a Q&A what you could not even get from an interview on TV that was MADE to bring light to the problem or provide more details in the first place.
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Well of course...I think we can all tell that asking for a Q&A is actually futile.....Doesn't matter, his silence says it all, really...We want more details (who wouldn't, judging from what the songs sound like?), but there are none...If there were they would have disclosed them long, long ago...
 
^^Exactly.

Can anyone remember back in 2010 wasn't there a person who was asked to authenticate the songs who was not sure? I seem to remember that the wording in the statement pointed to them not having a good consensus?
 
Petrarose said:
Yeah but you see, as you said "we want more details." However, it will not be given. If it was available it would be shown on Oprah or the Estate would include it in that letter we got in 2010. That is why I say NO to Q&As. You cannot get from a Q&A what you could not even get from an interview on TV that was MADE to bring light to the problem or provide more details in the first place.
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But Oprah didn't have all the questions the fans have and I also don't think that interview was really made to bring light to this. It was more like: adress the authenticity and then move on. She didn't dig deep this time.

I want to hear him talk about how Michael chose the songs, what specific parts he liked about the songs, how he reacted etc, etc. Not any 'no' and 'yes' questions in anyway.
 
^^Well they pretended that he was going on Oprah to bring all those doubts to rest. Good luck on you receiving what you are looking for.
 
Petrarose said:
^^Well they pretended that he was going on Oprah to bring all those doubts to rest Good luck on you receiving what you are looking for.
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Oprah was the place to be for something like that, because hey...if Oprah believes it's true, then the whole world believes it's true.

And sometimes you have to lend 'luck' a helping hand. Luck alone is not going to solve this.
 
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Controversy... Teddy was not talking about that, he was hinting at his belief that MJ is still alive and in hiding. Weeks before the Oprah interview Teddy openly stated on Twitter he believed MJ was alive and was willing to be his "slave".

Eddie probably didn't know that or otherwise AGREES with him.

As much of a conspiracy as it is and that I don't believe it, I cannot deny the possibility that MJ intended on the tracks to be recorded by Jason or someone else, which is why Jason hinted at certain things on this forum. I don't think it's just the death hoaxers but many people consider MJ to be much more than what he presented, a "man behind the curtain", a man who could manipulate the media.

MJ had Kipp Lennon do his vocals for the Simpsons episode just to play a prank for his brothers. He probably would have thought it was a fun joke for his fans and to introduce them to Jason. Unfortunately it was done after he passed away and split up the fanbase.

What if the Cascio tracks existed and were released WHEN MJ was alive? What would us fans think? MJ would probably have the last laugh. Would we lash out at MJ or would we be like "ohhh I get your prank!"

Should Teddy's belief that MJ is alive and the Cascio tracks be linked? Some believers (either hoaxers or believing in the tracks) can say "Teddy can believe what he wants", but I don't know, what he says about MJ being alive - doesn't this take away from his reputation?

"Fakery" and stuff is not uncommon in the MJ impersonator realm, and it is often done WITH approval of both parties. Edward Moss, the scum who made fun of MJ while he was alive, asked Michael Firestone to record vocals for his concert. Earnest Valentino, who claims to have professional vocal training, has never sung live; in 2009 he had a background singer to sing his lead vocal while he mimed... but none of that compares to the Cascio tracks.
 
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Frankyboy5 said:
As much of a conspiracy as it is and that I don't believe it, I cannot deny the possibility that MJ intended on the tracks to be recorded by Jason or someone else, which is why Jason hinted at certain things on this forum. I don't think it's just the death hoaxers but many people consider MJ to be much more than what he presented, a "man behind the curtain", a man who could manipulate the media.

MJ had Kipp Lennon do his vocals for the Simpsons episode just to play a prank for his brothers. He probably would have thought it was a fun joke for his fans and to introduce them to Jason. Unfortunately it was done after he passed away and split up the fanbase.
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I'm sorry if this is offensive (It probably is, haha), but how can anyone take this seriously?
MJ wanting to prank people with Jason, seriously??? xD
 
I don't believe it I just bs-ed a thought in my head, one that death hoaxers may suggest. Still MJ pranked people with Kipp Lennon.
 
MJ couldn't sing on the Simpsons episode becuase of his contract with Sony
He wasnt trying to prank anyone. He wrote the song someone else from the
Simpsons show called Kipp Lennon in to sing it so they could use it.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Is he innocent of selling those songs which divided the community or not? I don't think so.
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Why would he not be innocent?

It's not like he knew these songs that he and Michael worked on were going to trigger this.





@qbee That's one thing I don't understand why does the Michael Jackson estate and the Simpsons keep crediting Michael Jackson as the vocalist?

Not that long ago @MichaelJackson on twitter said something about it.
 
He didnt sing the song played on the simpson episode. You can hear the difference between that and Michael's own demo of the song. If you watch the documentary of the simpsons show It was some type of anniversary where they all came together to discuss the show and they revealed what actually happened and why.

Ill try to find a video of the docementary _It was on youtube at one time

He is credited as the writer under an alias - now he may have sang it on the album -they dont make that clear
but not on the TV Episode that was Kipp Lennon

This is from the Simpsons own Wiki
Happy Birthday, Lisa



  • The song was one of the few original songs performed twice. The first time was with piano and percussion during the episode, and the second during the closing credits with full musical backup.

  • This song was written by Michael Jackson, but due to contractual obligations, he was credited as "W.A. Mozart" on the album Songs in the Key of Springfield.

  • Although Jackson did write the song and provide his voice for the episode, his singing voice was dubbed by Kipp Lennon, once again due to contractual obligations.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Why would he not be innocent?

It's not like he knew these songs that he and Michael worked on were going to trigger this.
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One would have to be pretty naive to think that these songs, which don't sound like anything Michael has ever sounded before, with the only 'proof' offered as 'That's Michael Jackson, I was there pushing buttons', and a picture of a mic stand WITHOUT Michael there, wouldn't trigger an uproar from his fans...

I mean, it was enough to cause the Estate to hire forensics to identify the voice..You can't tell me Eddie didn't think this would happen...
 
From Wiki of Stark Raving Dad:

"Following the read, Jackson stipulated his conditions: he would record his speaking parts but not receive credit, and his singing voice would be performed by a sound-alike.[8][10] Leon Kompowsky's singing parts were performed by Kipp Lennon,[6] because Jackson wanted to play a joke on his brothers and fool them into thinking the impersonator was him.[10]"

But where is the actual source! Commentary for "Stark Raving Dad", in The Simpsons: The Complete Third Season [DVD]. 20th Century Fox.

but has anyone viewed it, what does it say? due to contract or as a prank?
 
Chamife;3627095 said:
Found this:

http://www.drew.edu/news/2010/12/14/breaking-news

“The production time really cut into his ability to practice with the team,” recalls Men’s Soccer Head Coach Lenny Armuth, who may be one of the few people who knew of Cascio’s famous friend. “I knew that Michael was helping him build a studio at his house and that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.”

So if I understand it right the coach is saying that in 2007 Eddie Cascio still was a member of the soccer team, which had to do a lot without him at that time?

I know he's still in the staff of 'Bergen's Best Soccer Camp'.
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Interesting.

I don't think Eddie was still on the team in 2007. His name doesn't appear in any of the school's soccer articles from that year, plus he graduated in 2004. I'm guessing Eddie's "production time" took place in the first half of the '00s and had to do with Usher (Confessions), Luther Vandross (Dance with My Father), 'N Sync (Celebrity), and/or James Porte (The Slideshow).

I could be totally wrong though.
 
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