Michael - The Great Album Debate

[azsummergirl]

it's a sad thing when people's only point is through belittling people and professionals. but hey I guess it's all fair in this Cascio obsession.

i believe my post said
"to think that just b/c someone does something for a living must make them an expert is just not true. sometimes it is. but a lot of times it's not. sometimes the perception of authority is just an idea, not reality. "

you see the word "sometimes" in there twice? i didn't say it was definitely or always the case. if you would read instead of "not dignifying" my post, maybe you'd get my point. Which is that blindly trusting some "authority" on analysis that we've never even seen is like following lemings off a cliff. We have no idea who these so-called experts are. We have no idea what they do for a living. We have never seen the analysis and there's no proof it even exists.

I'm much more inclined to believe the analysis and comparisons (waveform and yes, cut and paste b/c it's valid) i've actually seen and heard from michael jackson fans than the word of a souless corporation who claims to have some phantom proof.

and yes, anyone that did an analysis and came out with "yep, this is mj" whether they used computers or not is obviously pretty crappy at their job. but i seriously doubt there was any analysis any way, so just go on trusting their word.

 

[Arklove]

Here is the genuine Mj version of Lisa It's Your Birthday from the Simpsons, followed by the Kip Lennon version. I wonder how many were fooled by the latter? For believers, this is how the Cascio tracks sound to us. [youtube]dl53qZqQMuY[/youtube][youtube]hLIUlaJsGwU[/youtube]

Even as a kid, I knew it wasn't Michael singing...but I knew it was him speaking....Kip Lennon sounds nothing like Michael lol

 

[Chamife]

I could've gone to Dangerous Tour and History Tour, but didn't. The idea of a huge crowd and seeing Michael from a far distance never was that attractive to me. Yeah, I'm a strange one...

 

[Arklove]

I could've gone to Dangerous Tour and History Tour, but didn't. The idea of a huge crowd and seeing Michael from a far distance never was that attractive to me. Yeah, I'm a strange one...

lol...I'd tell myself that just to make myself feel better about not being able to see him live...I'd be like, 'pfft, it's not worth it, wouldn't be able to see him from that far anyway' lol

 

[Chamife]

lol...I'd tell myself that just to make myself feel better about not being able to see him live...I'd be like, 'pfft, it's not worth it, wouldn't be able to see him from that far anyway' lol

Lol, no..I never went to any concerts and I didn't feel the urge to go then. Maybe it was also because I was busy with my wedding in 1993, working full time and in 1996 I had a little child age 1 and one on the way. Michael also wasn't a big part of my life then.

I don't regret I didn't go. Really. Too crowdy and not personal enough for me.

 

[Arklove]

Lol, no..I never went to any concerts and I didn't feel the urge to go then. Maybe it was also because I was busy with my wedding in 1993, working full time and in 1996 I had a little child age 1 and one on the way. Michael also wasn't a big part of my life then. I don't regret I didn't go. Really. Too crowdy and not personal enough for me.

I understand

 

[love is magical]

Michael didn't go to Hong Kong in 1992-1993. I moved to the States in 1996. So, I Never got the chance to attend any one of his concert.

:boohoo:

 

[Chamife]

When I learned he would perform in London, I thought: "This is probably his last concert ever and my last chance to see him perform". Of course I wanted to go. But I don't have the guts to jump in a plane all by myself and I couldn't think of anyone who would want to join me. I wasn't a member of any forum then. Tickets were sold out, before I really had the chance to decide or arrange anything.

 

[Lisha]

I was in the first row at the Dangerous concert. On many occasions MJ was looking straight into the eyes of people in the front row. It was magical to look MJ straight into his eyes and he looking back straight into my eyes! With all the hype just after BAD era and escalading Dangerosu era, can you imagine!!!!!!

Wow! I cannot even imagine MJ looking straight into my eyes and me looking straight back into his! I wonder if I'd be able to keep my composure if that had ever happened. Amazing. :swoon:

Thanks for sharing that. How fun you got to be right up front!

^^ Awww...love is magical. I feel your disappointment. :hug:I never got to see him in concert either. But at least you've been to China, and lived there! I wish I could go visit China one day.

 

[ADKIc3mAnX]

Here is the genuine Mj version of Lisa It's Your Birthday from the Simpsons, followed by the Kip Lennon version. I wonder how many were fooled by the latter? For believers, this is how the Cascio tracks sound to us.


[youtube]dl53qZqQMuY[/youtube]

[youtube]hLIUlaJsGwU[/youtube]

Why does the Estate & The Simpsons keep crediting Michael Jackson for the Simpsons one ?

 

[love is magical]

When I learned he would perform in London, I thought: "This is probably his last concert ever and my last chance to see him perform". Of course I wanted to go. But I don't have the guts to jump in a plane all by myself and I couldn't think of anyone who would want to join me. I wasn't a member of any forum then. Tickets were sold out, before I really had the chance to decide or arrange anything.

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. The concerts were sold out before I could make a decision. I always want to visit London and I always want to see Michael live. But, I just didn't have the guts to hop onto the plane by myself. I didn't have any friend in the UK then. I'm not afraid of flying. In fact, I travelled a lot domestically at my prior job. But, I'm not adventurous enough to travel abroad by myself.

Wow! I cannot even imagine MJ looking straight into my eyes and me looking straight back into his! I wonder if I'd be able to keep my composure if that had ever happened. Amazing. :swoon:

Thanks for sharing that. How fun you got to be right up front!

^^ Awww...love is magical. I feel your disappointment. :hug:I never got to see him in concert either. But at least you've been to China, and lived there! I wish I could go visit China one day.

IKR. I don't know if I can keep my composure if Michael looked at me with that sexy stares of his. :heat:

Nice having you here! :huggy:

 

[Arklove]

IKR. I don't know if I can keep my composure if Michael looked at me with that sexy stares of his. :heat:

I was watching some of the Buenos Aires shows and my gaaaaaaaaawd....He's gorgeous :dropdead:

 

[love is magical]

Everybody already seen this? It's new to me...full performances Dangerous, Buenos Aires 1993:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6L3jSYZmc&feature=channel Human Nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAkV-bJdqYg&feature=channel I Just Can't Stop Loving You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzubggX5_k&feature=channel I Want You Back/The Love You Save

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHYFfPBiRfk Smooth Criminal

Don't think I have seen the full performance. I'm obsessed with the Dangerous Tour. I can watch the lips non-stop.

I was watching some of the Buenos Aires shows and my gaaaaaaaaawd....He's gorgeous :dropdead:

Word! :stars:

 

[ivy]

speaking of Kipp Lennon

he does a tribute to Michael with his band in his shows

and he also does a very good Elvis Presley . His range is impressive.

 

[Lucilla]

Everybody already seen this? It's new to me...full performances Dangerous, Buenos Aires 1993:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6L3jSYZmc&feature=channel Human Nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAkV-bJdqYg&feature=channel I Just Can't Stop Loving You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzubggX5_k&feature=channel I Want You Back/The Love You Save

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHYFfPBiRfk Smooth Criminal

I saw some of them, thank you Chamife

Is still a HUGE mystery the reason why my parents didn't let me go to these concerts in Buenos Aires. They almost never refused if I wanted something But this time was different.
I was 11 and obsessed with him since I was 9.

 

[8701girl]

Hi Nasty! :hiya:

Sorry to be kinda off topic bv did nasty ever come lurking on this thread again? LOL

 

[ADKIc3mAnX]

Yay Jackie supports "Michael"




Sorry I had to

 

[Lucilla]

Sorry to be kinda off topic bv did nasty ever come lurking on this thread again? LOL

yes I saw Nasty lurking again after that lol


Edit: Here he/she is again :ciao:

 

[azsummergirl]

omgggg nasty is back. is it weird that nasty scares me? It would be like going to a restaurant and you're having dinner with your friends and there's just some guy staring at you from the corner the whole time. i'm sure nasty is just a nice normal curious fan o_0 . . . the end. or IS IT?!

 

[8701girl]

yes I saw Nasty lurking again after that lol Edit: Here he/she is again :ciao:

Hello nasty...again! LOL

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Wow! I cannot even imagine MJ looking straight into my eyes and me looking straight back into his! I wonder if I'd be able to keep my composure if that had ever happened. Amazing. :swoon:

Thanks for sharing that. How fun you got to be right up front!

Welcome to the thread . It's difficult to explain with words. But, I was a child when I was playing on a cassette the first notes of Wanna be startin' somethin'. Only THAT song back in the 80s was just WOW! Then all the hype when the short videos were released one per one! It was as if someone opened the door to a brand new world of magic,... plus it was the time where MJ was considered aas a super hero - untouchable:

[youtube]ITNvGJC3_HQ[/youtube]

[youtube]2hR3Ui0H4zI&feature=related[/youtube]

I mean these pictures are only e tiny drop in the ocean of MJ's constant presence everywhere, the videos, the movies, the honors, the concerts,... Imagine the excitment before the release of the albums and later on the singles:

I remember discovering the videos on TV. The first I saw was BAD, then I saw DIRTY DIANA, then the videos were released so fast that I even can't remember the chronological order of The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Another Part Of Me, Man In The Mirror, Liberian Girl. I know the last one was Leave me alone. I went to the cinema to see Moonwalker (look at my signature). I watched on TV the reports from BAD tour:

I was listening every single day to Michael Jackson from early in the morning, to late at night on my walkman discovering the tiniest detail of each instrument and each breath and voice characteristic. I was eating MJ, I was drinking MJ, I was breathing MJ. I was living MJ. I used to dance MJ in the disco, in the street, in my house and imagined I was doing it in front of a large audience as seen on BAD tour. I couldn't attend BAD tour as he didn't come to my country back then.

Can you just imagine all the hype. And then this endless wait to release his DANGEROUS album. The wait seemed forever, argh! That was the time when he signed a big contract with SONY (I just wish he hadn't done it because of 1993 allegations strategy by SONY, and later because of Invincible poor marketing).
Anyway, when the wait was over, we finally get the chance to get this:

and FINALLY LIVE IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES THIS:

Words cannot describe.

I am not going to continue, because otherwise my post will become too long, but I continued listening to MJ and discovering videos step by step knowing all the excitment before the release. I went to History concert too. Amazing experience.

But after so many years of continuous listening, when I first heard Monster and Breaking News, for the first time in my life I had a rejection reaction. I litterally threw away my earphones when I heard the voice on Monster. It sounded nothing like what I had been daily and nightly listening to over the years and years, and years prior to the release of teh Cascio songs.

As I said earlier, I cannot lie to myself, I just don't hear MJ on those songs.

 

[ADKIc3mAnX]

I was lucky to get one of those Dangerous Collectors Edition's




This is my dad's 1991 Dangerous cassette I pretty much took it from him when I was little to listen to it and never gave it back

 

[LastTear]

:clap: I've got the Dangerous collectors editions too :clap: happy days *sigh*

Doh! I've just realised you made me post in a thread that I swore I wouldn't get involved in..... you tricked me :hysterical:

 

[thiron]

Wow, some of you got some really awesome memories. Sometimes I wish I was born in 1965, that I'd be in my 20s during the whole Michaelmania. Attending a concert or meeting the man himself was my biggest wish.

Too bad I'm too young for wittnessing an album release and the hype that goes along. I became a fan in middle/late 2008, so I have just a few months and even fewer good memories. Of course the TII rumours and finally the announcement were aweseome. I watched the press conference on TV and could't wait for MJ to appear (I think he came an hour or so too late, because of heavy traffic).

Then I checked the forums daily to absorb all news and new photos of MJ. Damn, the picture of him in this car with the return of his curls was great.

Yep, my big hope was that TII would move to Germany and that he would release new singles during the tour...

 

[Arklove]

Even though I was pretty little in the 80s, my parents loved Michael...My mom especially, she's the same age as Michael and loved him since he was in J5..So she was the one who started my fandom, basically...everyone felt Michael everywhere...He was just THAT magical and his presence was that powerful...No matter how you experienced him, in a little way, it was a BIG way...You saw him everywhere!

That man was on top of the world!

 

[Lucilla]

I am not going to continue, because otherwise my post will become too long, but I continued listening to MJ and discovering videos step by step knowing all the excitment before the release. I went to History concert too. Amazing experience.

But after so many years of continuous listening, when I first heard Monster and Breaking News, for the first time in my life I had a rejection reaction. I litterally threw away my earphones when I heard the voice on Monster. It sounded nothing like what I had been daily and nightly listening to over the years and years, and years prior to the release of teh Cascio songs.

As I said earlier, I cannot lie to myself, I just don't hear MJ on those songs.

And I can't understand those who had similar experience with MJ and HIS MUSIC for many years, believe there's nothing wrong with those tracks.
I can't find an explanation for that.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

And I can't understand those who had similar experience with MJ and HIS MUSIC for many years, believe there's nothing wrong with those tracks.
I can't find an explanation for that.

I actually wonder if people who had similar experience believe it's MJ on the Cascio tracks.

Stella was talking about his own experience, meeting MJ 19 times and listening over the years. He also mentioned that Waldo guy who followed MJ as well over the years and who also doesn't believe it's MJ on the Cascio tracks. Samhabib who also had followed MJ very closely and having attended BAD concert, Dangerous concert, History concert, etc, doesn't believe a bit it's MJ on the Cascio tracks.

I was just wondering if any real hardcore fan, when I say hardcore fan I mean a fan that has been in love over the years and that has been following MJ literally on the daily and nightly basis since at least the 80s, who had deciphered the slightest part of the tiniest existing sound, note, vocal, breath, clap, hee-hee, ugh, aow, in every and each song prior to the Cascio tracks and who believes that MJ's is on the Cascio tracks?

I remember back then that I was so in love with everything and anything related to MJ that I annoyed people around me with my fandom. When I was hardly 12, 13, 14 and so on, I used to stay up late at night for the slightest info that might have been related to MJ; (There wasn't Internet back then). I was what you can say over-obsessed, crazy, nuts, yes, people thought I was crazy and my mother and step-father thought I was gay because of such a love/obsession.

How about people like E'Casanova? And other MJ's impersonators? Has anyone of them expressed their opinion on thsoe Cascio songs?

 

[love is magical]

I was lucky to get one of those Dangerous Collectors Edition's




This is my dad's 1991 Dangerous cassette I pretty much took it from him when I was little to listen to it and never gave it back

My Dangerous cassette tape didn't come with the phenomenal jacket, coz it's a duped tape. Lol...

The good old days. :sigh:

I actually wonder if people who had similar experience believe it's MJ on the Cascio tracks.

Stella was talking about his own experience, meeting MJ 19 times and listening over the years. He also mentioned that Waldo guy who followed MJ as well over the years and who also doesn't believe it's MJ on the Cascio tracks. Samhabib who also had followed MJ very closely and having attended BAD concert, Dangerous concert, History concert, etc, doesn't believe a bit it's MJ on the Cascio tracks.

I was just wondering if any real hardcore fan, when I say hardcore fan I mean a fan that has been in love over the years and that has been following MJ literally on the daily and nightly basis since at least the 80s, who had deciphered the slightest part of the tiniest existing sound, note, vocal, breath, clap, hee-hee, ugh, aow, in every and each song prior to the Cascio tracks and who believes that MJ's is on the Cascio tracks?

I remember back then that I was so in love with everything and anything related to MJ that I annoyed people around me with my fandom. When I was hardly 12, 13, 14 and so on, I used to stay up late at night for the slightest info that might have been related to MJ; (There wasn't Internet back then). I was what you can say over-obsessed, crazy, nuts, yes, people thought I was crazy and my mother and step-father thought I was gay because of such a love/obsession.

How about people like E'Casanova? And other MJ's impersonators? Has anyone of them expressed their opinion on thsoe Cascio songs?

Reminds me of what Samhabib once said. He said "I'm in love with a man, but I ain't gay."

Hehehe.

 

[love is magical]

DP. Please delete.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

My Dangerous cassette tape didn't come with the phenomenal jacket, coz it's a duped tape. Lol...

The good old days. :sigh:

When DANGEROUS came out, I was completely broke. I had some pocket money, but not enough to buy the brand new cassette. I emptied all my pockets and all what I had to buy the DANGEROUS album (it was a copy of the original tape). I just needed to hear and have all the new songs after such a long wait. Later on when I had money I bought the original tape, the CD, and the 3-D special edition + all the maxi cd singles that were coming out with all the official remixes.

Edited to add:

Hehehe, who remembers:

and then, still being a teenager, I spent all my pocket money to have these: