Michael - The Great Album Debate

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How is any of this discussion relevant?

This thread just keeps bouncing around.

Thanks for that demo, samhabib, but out of 16 tracks, one isn't enough to convince me that Michael didn't contribute a LOT to the album. Plus, I think he committed a lot of his heart into Whatever Happens.
 
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I am fed up with repeating that Invincible is an excellent album. There is no weak song on that album. Michael probably left better songs for further albums, but INVINCIBLE has definitely no weak song. The only error I would say is that Michael chose "You Rock My Workd" instead of "Rock Your Body" which is much fresher and his style.

Invincible is as good as any Michael's album. It sold 8 million copies worldwide in an era when everyone could download it for free more easily than today as the anti-download regulations were not clearly implemented in many countries. You had lots of share sofwares such as limewire, winmx, napster, kazaa, etc. People didn't bother to buy cds any more. Today despite many illegal downloads, there are still a reasonable number of legal downloads on softwares such as i-TUnes.

Bear in mind that Invincible had only one video with Michael in it which was meant to be continued (but never did). Cry came afterwards without Michael in the video. The promotion was dead and wasted huge, tremendous potential hits:

-Unbreakable
-Threatened (imagine the video for that one! We saw a snippet at This Is It rehearsals, it was bomb blasting!)
-2000 Watts (good song for clubs and the beginning of the new millenium, "DANCE" says the deep voice with awesome rhythm sounding as a new millenium Wanna be startin' somethin')
-Whatever Happens (brilliant song with Santana and lyrics in 3d person, quite rare)
-Butterflies (inimitable and matched the r'n'b hype; the version with Eve isn't too bad)
-Speechless and The Lost Children (perfect songs for Christmas)
-Break of Dawn & Heaven can wait (EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! soft, pure, fresh, tender, loving, warm, bouncing, --SING THEM WITH FRIENDS, they put hellova good atmosphere!)
-Privacy (Hail Rock! with FINALLY a real ROCK voice; has nothing to envy Metallica's singer! And Slash is awesome there as well)
-Heartbreaker & Invincible "Awesome bouncing tracks, dance to them, sing them)
Take a look here what a MJ-FAN Pakistani/Hindi (I think) singer did with it! It made a huge hit in his country!!!
-Don't walk away & You are my life (sit down relax, and listen to those ballads flow your body and veins; short movies such as "You are not alone" could have been made)

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:agree::clapping::punk::agree::clapping::punk:

I said, as far as I remember the lyrics I've never seen any insulting lyrics coming from MJ's part. So, I am ready to be mistaken if anyone can prove the opposite.



Where? In which song precisely did he straightforwardly called them names such as animal, monster or any othert straightforward insulting word?




That, my friend, is not an insult. It is a harsh, nevertheless true, remark. He is lecturing them. And as far as I know these lines are not aimed at paparazzi alone, but at all those who are trying to extort money from him. It is rather aimed at the Chandlers who tarnished his image for money. The least he could do is some criticizing in his songs, which he did, but not insulting and calling names.



I agree, nevertheless, as I said, Michael always said in his interviews that he was ready to forgive them because he was educated like that. Besides, he was not mean to them as one of the lasts videos of him can show it:

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It pains me to watch this clip. See how trusting and forgiving he was. If one told him "I love you" repeatedly, he really would give his time and love back. :cry:

Who else is that generous these days? I'm not even talking about celebs. How about just regular people. Who does that?
 
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How is any of this discussion relevant?

It was you who mentioned it. It was you who mentioned Michael's input on Invincible.

Thanks for that demo, samhabib, but out of 16 tracks, one isn't enough to convince me that Michael didn't contribute a LOT to the album.

Well that's an example of a song on which he received co-writing credits. Where is the 'LOT' that he contributed song-writing wise on it? Because it sounds all but finished on the demo to me.

Plus, I think he committed a lot of his heart into Whatever Happens.

Right. So putting his heart into it gets him a co-writing credit? That's not how the music industry works, I'm afraid.
 
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Whether you feel good, bad or indifferent about Invincible, it's jack to do with this debate as we know that Michael sung every word & had a good period of writing credit (albeit less than his 90's works).

It's like saying Madonna isn't the vocalist on her supposed new single, but her Music album sucked. It's apples & pears.
 
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You're right. I have no idea why we're discussing Invincible.

The Cascio songs are a joke. And as much as I don't like Privacy, it sounds like a masterpiece compared to 'they eat your soul like a vegetable'. Like Beethoven in comparison.
 
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You're right. I have no idea why we're discussing Invincible.

The Cascio songs are a joke. And as much as I don't like Privacy, it sounds like a masterpiece compared to 'they eat your soul like a vegetable'. Like Beethoven in comparison.

Take vocalists, the vocal and the emotion out of the equation and for me, Breaking News is a better song than Privacy.
 
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Take vocalists, the vocal and the emotion out of the equation and for me, Breaking News is a better song than Privacy.

For me Breaking News is one of the worst songs I've ever heard. Lyrically it's just ridiculous. "Because I'm Michael Jackson"? It would be completely egocentric if he'd actually recorded it. And production-wise it's a five-minute hack and slash job. I can imagine Teddy put that together in a matter of hours. The fake horns. The fake drums. Digitised noise. And then random samples from other Michael Jackson songs. It's absolutely hideous, to me.

The vocals are a whole 'nother issue.
 
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For me Breaking News is one of the worst songs I've ever heard. Lyrically it's just ridiculous. "Because I'm Michael Jackson"? It would be completely egocentric if he'd actually recorded it. And production-wise it's a five-minute hack and slash job. I can imagine Teddy put that together in a matter of hours. The fake horns. The fake drums. Digitised noise. And then random samples from other Michael Jackson songs. It's absolutely hideous, to me.

The vocals are a whole 'nother issue.

You may have convinced me!

I forgot about how much I hate the whole 'because I'm Michael Jackson' bit. That really winds me up. 'Singers' should never speak about themselves in the 3rd person.

However, I do like 'why is it strange that I would fall in love, who is that bogeyman you're thinking of' refrain.

Either way, neither song is in any way in the same league as 80% of MJ stuff.

I just made myself a new compilation for the car, comprising

Bad (as I rarely listen to it)
Little Susie
Working Day & Night
Stranger in Moscow
Do You Know Where You Children Are?
Whatever Happens
Smile
Keep The Faith
Who Is It (demo - long version)
Unbreakable
Ghosts
Dangerous
Behind The Mask
Black or White

plus another I can't remember.

These aren't even my most favourite MJ songs, this is disc 2 in a series.

Genius man, funkin' genius.
 
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What about the other co-written songs? Were they already largely lyrically complete before MJ got them?

Yes. Dr. Freeze just confirmed that all 3 of his songs were complete before MJ got to them. Heaven Can Wait was given by Teddy Riley to MJ, who apparently was happy to get it. 2000 Watts was originally given to another singer.

And the 4 uptempo songs by Darkchild were given to him in demo form, with singing from Lashawn Daniels.

MJ was basically just a singer on the Invincible album, like in the Motown days.
 
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However, I do like 'why is it strange that I would fall in love, who is that bogeyman you're thinking of' refrain.

Thanks for that. Now it'll never leave my head for the rest of the day.
 
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Thanks for that. Now it'll never leave my head for the rest of the day.

You're welcome!
 
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Thanks for that. Now it'll never leave my head for the rest of the day.

You need some real fucking Mike to take your mind of that shit...

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you guys are getting serious. But yeah the cascio trax are a joke.
 
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What about the other co-written songs? Were they already largely lyrically complete before MJ got them?

Well this isn't really the thread but I know that there's plenty of evidence that Mike wasn't writing that much on that album - there was a poster called Rubba that used to post on most of the fansites who always provided solid information about MJ projects.

Just read between the lines. What does Michael say about the Biggie's rap on Unbreakable? "It wasn't my idea, actually." This is the KING of perfectionism. No one would have touched his stuff back in the day. Then you have his interview with GetMusic where he talks about the songs chosen as being 'acceptable'. That's hardly 'they come from God' like Billie Jean, etc. 'They were acceptable'.

Either way, some of the songs on there are great. I just don't believe he put his best work on there, that's all.
 
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You need some real fucking Mike to take your mind of that shit...

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Ahhh...much better! Thank you, my dear :)

'I wanna wanna be where you are...oh OOOOOH !! Any, any, anywhere you are...oh oh OOOOH OOH!'...(who else loves it when he doubles the words like that?!)

One of my faves...Plus, Mike looking mighty fine :girl_in_love:
 
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Just listen to how amazing his live vocals were... he sounds better than the records!
 
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Of course! He's on fire! I love his live singing....So raw and just fucking perfect...
 
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Just listen to how amazing his live vocals were... he sounds better than the records!

I know, if I have one complaint about Michael's career, it's the lack of live singing. Such a waste.
 
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^^ Agreed. He is absolutely insane when he sings live. His live singing at the end of Earth Song Royal Brunei show....Just stellar....WOW....
 
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^^ Agreed. He is absolutely insane when he sings live. His live singing at the end of Earth Song Royal Brunei show....Just stellar....WOW....

I know & at end of MITM at Grammy's or Bucharest.

I was listening to Will You Be There last week, I so wished he'd have sung this live, even if it was just the ad-libs at the end.
 
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Yeah the end of MITM at the Grammys... why did he mime that when he was singing so incredibly towards the end?!? Just amazing... 'black man gotta make a change... white man gotta make a change...' INCREDIBLE!
 
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I know & at end of MITM at Grammy's or Bucharest.

I was listening to Will You Be There last week, I so wished he'd have sung this live, even if it was just the ad-libs at the end.

If I really really really need to pick a favorite Michael Jackson song, I'll pick Will You Be There. WYBT is pure wonderment. The composition, the arrangement, the vocals, just everything about the song is genius.

I think he did sing the song live (at least part of the song live) in Bucharest. He sang the wrong lyrics. Instead of "care enough to bear me", he sang "strong enough to hold me"...

The lyrics of this song read like a poem. That's what I called great song writing.
 
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I know & at end of MITM at Grammy's or Bucharest.

I was listening to Will You Be There last week, I so wished he'd have sung this live, even if it was just the ad-libs at the end.

Yes, he did that a lot, didn't he? Only live at the end of certain songs. MITM at the Grammy's is just mindblowing. I've always wanted WYBT to be live. Didn't he record this one in just one take? Plus, I love how you can hear his footstomps on the actual record. God, I love that type of thing! It's so......I don't know how to explain it...I love the rawness of that...
 
love is magical;3229304 said:
If I really really really need to pick a favorite Michael Jackson song, I'll pick Will You Be There. WYBT is pure wonderment. The composition, the arrangement, the vocals, just everything about the song is genius.

I think he did sing the song live (at least part of the song live) in Bucharest. He sang the wrong lyrics. Instead of "care enough to bear me", he sang "strong enough to hold me"...

The lyrics of this song read like a poem. That's what I called great song writing.

Yeah me too. It's in my top 3 or 4. This is what I wrote about it once:

Will You Be There completes what I dub the holy trinity on Dangerous [following Who Is it & Give In To Me], the three tracks that could not be bettered. So, we've had the dance music of Jam, the R&B of Remember The Time, the pop of Black of White and the rock of Give In To Me – do you fancy some classical or gospel? How about both? Will You Be There is a song that only Michael Jackson could make. Seven and a half minutes of audible genius where Michael begs for people to remember that he's 'Only Human' and to forgive him his fallibility. I mentioned earlier Michael's songwriting skills. Will You Be There encapsulates that. The track culminates in a spoken poem, that looking back 17 years later is a poem that Nostadamus would be proud of so great is its fortune telling – 'Through my trials and tribulations, will you still care. Will You Be There'. Stunning, simply stunning.

Like most of his best songs, this blows me away, every time I hear it.
 
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Will You Be There... Pure genius. Even if it was lifted, pretty much wholesale, from this old gospel song.

"I can't take credit for it... it comes from God..." It came from somewhere mate!

Beautiful, incredible song, though. And ONLY Michael Jackson could write, record and produce a song like that. ONLY Michael Jackson.

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Tony R;3229313 said:
Yeah me too. It's in my top 3 or 4. This is what I wrote about it once:

Will You Be There completes what I dub the holy trinity on Dangerous [following Who Is it & Give In To Me], the three tracks that could not be bettered. So, we've had the dance music of Jam, the R&B of Remember The Time, the pop of Black of White and the rock of Give In To Me – do you fancy some classical or gospel? How about both? Will You Be There is a song that only Michael Jackson could make. Seven and a half minutes of audible genius where Michael begs for people to remember that he's 'Only Human' and to forgive him his fallibility. I mentioned earlier Michael's songwriting skills. Will You Be There encapsulates that. The track culminates in a spoken poem, that looking back 17 years later is a poem that Nostadamus would be proud of so great is its fortune telling – 'Through my trials and tribulations, will you still care. Will You Be There'. Stunning, simply stunning.

Like most of his best songs, this blows me away, every time I hear it.

Bravo :clapping::clapping::clapping:

You said it perfectly. The song is stunning, simply stunning. No matter how many times I hear it, I still am very touched by the spoken words at the end of the song.

The shortened version used as the theme song of Free Willy doesn't do the song justice. In order to feel the power of the song, one needs to listen to the WHOLE song, from the classical intro to the spoken words at the end. Michael took me to a journey with him with this one...

Who else can write a song like Will You Be There? Who else can sing this song and make it work? No one but Michael Jackson. I remember one of the American Idol contestants sang Will You Be There during the movie theme song week. Oh my god, I literally cringed.
 
love is magical;3229323 said:
Bravo :clapping::clapping::clapping:

You said it perfectly. The song is stunning, simply stunning. No matter how many times I hear it, I still am very touched by the spoken words at the end of the song.

Thanks, the quote was taken from my full Dangerous article as below:

In 1991, the music world and the world in general, was a very different place. Personal computers were for the elite few, if you had a mobile phone it was the size of a brick and i-pods were something that i-peas grew in.

CD's had only been around 5 years, and music was something you went to a shop, bought and held, not a soul-less download.

The music world was also gearing up for a musical event. These didn't happen very often and could only mean one thing – Michael Jackson was to release a new album.

It had been four years since the release of Bad, but now we were used to waiting a while between releases. After all, it was worth the wait and it never seemed that long due to the amount of single releases which followed each album.

The new album was to prove ground breaking even before we heard it. After the holy trinity of albums made with the legendary Quincy Jones, Michael was cutting the umbilical cord. It was a risk; the previous 3 albums had sold circa 90 million copies and established Jackson as the biggest pop star in history.

But it was now the '90's, could Michael show he was more than an '80's artist and could survive without Quincy?

So, 17 years and 25 million copies later, this piece is less a review, but more a homage as to why I believe Dangerous is not only Michael Jackson's best album, but quite simply, the best album ever made.

Michael was to embrace the new technology that CD's were to give. He could break free from the time restraints of cassette and vinyl and was to make a 77 minute, 14 track epic. But was it killer or mainly filler?

By now, we were used to Michael opening his albums in style. From the earth-shifting bass & spoken intro of 'Don't Stop 'til you get Enough' on Off The Wall, and the BAM BAM BAM on Thriller's 'Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' or the ear-shattering ascending brass on Bad, the first sound on the album led the way for an aural sensation. The first track on Dangerous didn't disappoint. Press play and prepare to be blasted out your chair. Jam literally shattered it's way through the speakers and told you Michael was back. Jam is a dance-funk-pop hybrid that is impossible to sit still to. A six minute workout that leaves you shattered by the end of it. The message of the song is simple – there may be a lot of craziness going on in the world, but you know what? Once that music starts nothings gonna stop me. Jam is classic Michael, a 'Startin Somethin' for the next generation. It was to be the 5th Top 10 single in the UK from Dangerous and was accompanied by a stunning short film with a cameo from Michael Jordan – 2 MJ's at the top of their game.

This is followed by 'Why You Wanna Trip On Me', one of only 2 songs on the album not to be have any writing involvement from Jackson. However, it was obviously written for him, with the theme of the song being, with so much poverty, war & crime in the world why is it Michael Jackson being 'strange' that makes the front page. 'Trip' was one of the few tracks not to be a single, but is still a powerful slice of rock-funk. By now you could see this album was not a Thriller or Bad part 2. It had a distinct cutting edge sound that was miles away from the synthesised sound of it's predecessor. The gamble had paid off.

Track 3 was 'In The Closet' and rumours had bounded round about the track before it was heard, due to its suggestive title & 'Mystery Girl' credit. It became apparent later that it wasn't Madonna that many had guessed but the female vocal came courtesy of Princess Stephanie of Monaco. 'In The Closet' was Michael's most sexual song & video yet. A story of a secret love (lust?) between man and woman showed Michael gyrating saucily with Naomi Campbell in the beautifully shot video by the late Herb Ritts. The third song to be around 6 minutes on the album, and the third single; by the time this was released any doubts on whether Michael had another hit on his hands were quashed and those that has waited to buy Dangerous now did so in their millions.

Track 4 is 'She Drives Me Wild', not a single and thought of by many to be one of the 2 fillers on the album. Not so, this is a blast of pure pop that only pales when compared to other epics on the album. If this was released by one of the many MJ-a-likes today, it would be a Top 10 hit easily.

Next, another classic and the second single. Remember The Time is a delight from the first hearing. A gorgeous slice of R&B pop with stunning vocals; it seems such an easy record, but the genius is the way the melody penetrates your brain and would get the dead moving. Accompanied by a John Singleton directed epic, it made the video & song entwined for all those who saw it.

This is followed by Can't Let Her Get Away and is the song I alluded to earlier as possibly another filler. Again, not so; it is a modern dance record that deserves it's place on Dangerous.

By now, the listener has been shocked and amazed, we've listened to over 30 minutes of music, but we're not even half way through the Dangerous journey. If we hadn't before, we're now getting into ground breaking territory.

Track 7 slows things down. Heal The World could easily be We Are The World part 2, as it's similar in sentiment and title. However, it shows how Michael has matured as a songwriter in the intervening 7 years. At over 7 minutes long, Heal The World does exactly as it says on the tin, pleas for us all to do our bit. Sentimental? Yes. Saccharine? Yes. Sickly? No. Somehow it manages to keep just the right side of corny to become a heartfelt prayer from a great humanitarian. At the time this became Jackson's biggest selling single ever in the UK, hitting number 2 at Christmas time, only kept from the top spot by Whitney's ubiquitous 'I will Always Love You'.

Black Or White hits you next. This was the first single and became a controversial event in itself. Since the Thriller short film in 1984, a new Michael Jackson song was synonymous with an amazing video to accompany it. It may be hard to believe now, in the days of dozens of music channels, the internet, i-Tunes etc, but Michael's videos had families gathered around their TV prepared to be amazed.

But no-one was quite prepared for Black Or White. The final 4 minutes of the 11 minute film was a breathtaking, nearly silent dance-fest with Michael personifying the panther he had just morphed from to take his anger out in his dance. So great was the furore afterwards, Michael issued an apology for any offence caused. But you get the feeling it did exactly as he wanted, as he was everywhere, and the Balck Or White film was even an item on the news and you could imagine Michael sat back in Neverland chuckling to himself! The song itself is possibly Michael's purest pop song. Taking off the album intro it's the shortest song on the album and again sounds like a simple record but is an intricate piece of rock, pop and rap. It became an overnight classic hitting number one all over the globe.

For me, the second half of the album begins now. The next few tracks are ground breaking and smash all musical styles & barriers.' Who Is It' begins with a haunting choral piece before breaking into a baseline to blow your mind. This was to be recreated in the infamous Oprah Winfrey interview where Michael blew our minds again with a beat boxing accapella intro that summed up genius in 30 seconds. If 'Who Is It' was to be categorised into a genre, I suppose it's a soul epic, the last 2 minutes of which are pure pleasure as Michael adlibs his way over a repeated chorus with a voice that encapsulates heartbreak and unrequited love. Because of Michael's success in terms of sales and innovation in terms of dance, his songwriting genius can get missed, But 'Who Is It' is a perfect example of why it shouldn't be and why his production skills shouldn't be overlooked either as he single handedly produced this. In my view the best song on the album, if not his best ever.

But wait, is it his best? Because now comes track 10, 'Give In To Me'. Ever since Thriller's Beat It, we knew that Michael Jackson could manage all genres and since Dirty Diana we expected a rock track on the album, but not this. 'Give In To Me' is a track of unparalleled genius. Guitarists Eddie Van Halen & Steve Stevens are usurped by the best of the best – Slash.
Together the make a record that doesn't sound like a pop artist trying to be hard, the song wouldn't sound out of place on a Guns 'n' Roses, Aerosmith or any other rock artist's album. 'Give In To Me' is simply sublime – in all senses – songwriting, production, musically and vocally. With a massive ending that leaves you begging for more.

Will You Be There completes what I dub the holy trinity on Dangerous, the three tracks that could not be bettered. So, we've had the dance music of Jam, the R&B of Remember The Time, the pop of Black of White and the rock of Give In To Me – do you fancy some classical or gospel? How about both? Will You Be There is a song that only Michael Jackson could make. Seven and a half minutes of audible genius where Michael begs for people to remember that he's 'Only Human' and to forgive him his fallibility. I mentioned earlier Michael's songwriting skills. Will You Be There encapsulates that. The track culminates in a spoken poem, that looking back 17 years later is a poem that Nostadamus would be proud of so great is its fortune telling – 'Through my trials and tribulations, will you still care. Will You Be There'. Stunning, simply stunning.

More gospel follows in the shape of 'Keep The Faith', not a single but a great track. The only track on Dangerous that could be compared to anything on Bad due to its synthesised production, the song is an uplifting cry to believe in whatever you believe in that you will triumph over adversity. 'Dust off your butt and get your self respect back' – indeed.

Gone Too Soon is the other track not to have any songwriting input from Jackson. As first it seems out of place on Dangerous, as it's a short ballad about early loss, dedicated to AIDs sufferer Ryan White as shown in the video. Beautifully sung, as we've become accustomed to, and hits the right spot emotionally before the album draws to a close.

The album closes with the title track. Dangerous the track is different from the rest of the album in terms of both vocals & production. More mechanical and industrial sounding than the other tracks with vocals that are more rapped than sung. Consequently, it was to prove another shocker on first listen but grows into another fantastic track that was to grow in popularity when Michael performed it on the VMAs 4 years later.

I could continue and talk about the artwork. In a day when an album sleeve meant something as it wasn't to be shrunk into a half inch square on an i-pod. Dangerous has a stunning cover, illustrated by Mark Ryden offering glimpses into Michael's psyche and life. The accompanying booklet as well with full lyrics and poetry is innovatively and elegantly put together into an aesthetic joy.

So, there you have it. I could embellish on every track here, but this is why in summary I feel Dangerous is the perfect album. Fourteen tracks and 77 minutes of pure bliss, with tracks that not only stand out on there own but somehow become one cohesive piece of work that encompasses every genre out there and masters in all of them. Michael pseudonym has become the King Of Pop but Dangerous shows he's quite simply, the King Of Music.
 
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For a long time after his death I couldn't listen to WYBT....I had a very, very difficult time listening to him speak at the end.

I love the choreography of it as well...Very beautiful, graceful....Poetry in motion...
 
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^^Tony, I remembr your Dangerous review. I think it's one of the best posts I have ever read in this forum. :punk:

I don't remember where I heard it from. I heard Will You Be There was not included in the original Dangerous tracklist. It was decided to have the song included in the very last minute.

If it's true, thank God Michael decided to include the song. It would have been a crime not to release WYBT.
 
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^^Tony, I remembr your Dangerous review. I think it's one of the best posts I have ever read in this forum. :punk:

I don't remember where I heard it from. I heard Will You Be There was not included in the original Dangerous tracklist. It was decided to have the song included in the very last minute.

If it's true, thank God Michael decided to include the song. It would have been a crime not to release WYBT.

I think it's the closest he came to a fully released classical work. I know some of the long album intro is sampled from a real classical work, but even the composition of the rest of it is closer to the classics than pop and yet somehow manages to remain mainstream.

Sometimes I think, if the only songs Michael Jackson had ever made were Who Is It & Will You Be There he would still be my favourite artist ever.
 
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