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Michael - The Great Album Debate

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Ivo, there's a difference when you debate and when you focus on people's opinions, and when you turn against a person.

If you attack my opinion, then fine, it's a debate. If someone says to me that my opinion is irrelevant and explains why, then I am of course fine with it. I don't feel personally attacked.

But if you say against a person "you are irrelevant", what has that to do with any kind of opinion? Sorry, but I don't share your view here.
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Thank you for understanding. That's what I was trying to say. I didn't insult Ivy at all, I simply said that her opinion on the singers technique is irrelevant if she hasn't heard all the songs, which she claimed not to. Then she started insulting me by calling me personally irrelevant, which was totally unnecessary.
 
StellaJackson said:
Teddy Riley and the other producers were not involved. No one has ever said they were. The actual vocals were recorded by Eddie Cascio and the lead singer, while James Porte may or may not have been there. None of the people like Riley, Estate etc, were actually witness to the recording or involved in any alleged fraud.
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Correct.
Then why did you say they all worked together to firstly not hear MJ in the songs and putting MJ ad libs on "Jason's" vocals and slamming them on a MJ album?
Really now?

It's (to me) almost just as crazy as the MJ still alive death hoax thing. Or atleast, if it's going on like this, it's looking to become that way.

Also, when debating with people, stop trying to offend others and quickly revert to funny stuff/sillyness or how it's spelled, it certainly doesn't make you guys seem more believable.

P.S: Sorry for my grammar, I'm Dutch. ;)
 
Jesta said:
Dammit, Bumper!!! Well if we are going to war in this debate, then I'm at least bringing in reinforcements:

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Yes, but Malachi isn't sexy to the people on this board... A rhyme about gold pants would've been more effective ;)
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Here's my army:

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StellaJackson said:
There was a young man named Malachi
To sound like Michael, he did really try
But his snorts gave him away
Proved the songs were fake and gay
And now he's disappeared into the sky
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How would you feel when the songs get proven real (Not that they need it) and you called them "fake and gay" ?

I would hate to be you.
 
When MJ gets ants
in his Gold Pants
He wiggles around
then with out a sound
a ziiiiiiipppp
is heard. His fly was showing.
 
IvoDT said:
Correct.
Then why did you say they all worked together to firstly not hear MJ in the songs and putting MJ ad libs on "Jason's" vocals and slamming them on a MJ album?
Really now?

It's (to me) almost just as crazy as the MJ still alive death hoax thing. Or atleast, if it's going on like this, it's looking to become that way.

Also, when debating with people, stop trying to offend others and quickly revert to funny stuff/sillyness or how it's spelled, it certainly doesn't make you guys seem more believable.

P.S: Sorry for my grammar, I'm Dutch. ;)
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I didn't say they all worked together. I was talking about how the fact that the songs are produced by them makes them look more legitimate.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
When MJ gets ants
in his Gold Pants
He wiggles around
then with out a sound
a ziiiiiiipppp
is heard. His fly was showing.
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Ha!

And Bumper, your army are terrifying... Good ensemble ;)

You mean lyrically terrible and vocally poor songs which need pasted breaths, ad-libs and words are above criticism? So that's what the artists of today need to use to get good reviews. Everyone, copy-paste words and breaths is the new auto-tune! :D
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
How would you feel when the songs get proven real (Not that they need it) and you called them "fake and gay" ?

I would hate to be you.
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That was a bit of fun. And let me tell you something: they will never ever be proven to be real.
 
I heard the snippet and would like to know how is 0.99 seconds going to tell us anything? lol whats it from
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What if it's proven the other way round? How would you feel?




I can't download it, what is it?
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A 2 second snippet of an Aaow! followed by background vocals of something. I can't tell what it is. Maybe an unreleased song?
 
Jesta said:
Sorry Korgnex, the small snippet makes it hard to tell where this originally came from? Something from Bad Era? Can you tell us what it is? :D
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Just got it to work. It is the French version of I Just Can't Stop Loving you.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What if it's proven the other way round? How would you feel?




I can't download it, what is it?
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I really don't know, I said before if it's proven "fake" I would do everything I can to make sure the people involved AKA Estate, Sony, Epic Records pay but personally IDK.
 
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
I really never don't know, I said before if it's proven "fake" I would do everything I can to make sure the people involved AKA Estate, Sony, Epic Records pay but personally IDK.
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But none of those parties did anything illegal.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
That was a bit of fun. And let me tell you something: they will never ever be proven to be fake.
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Until the proof comes up one way or another, there will be doubts about the tracks among the fan community, and that won't help MJ's legacy in any case. So I don't know why you are rejoycing yourself at the idea that people might be wrong and you right.

We already want those tracks to be Michael, but we just can't hear him, and no musicologist will change that. We need to see some believable proofs like Michael actually singing them in the studio, or hearing Michael talking about them etc.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Ivo, there's a difference when you debate and when you focus on people's opinions, and when you turn against a person.

If you attack my opinion, then fine, it's a debate. If someone says to me that my opinion is irrelevant and explains why, then I am of course fine with it. I don't feel personally attacked.

But if you say against a person "you are irrelevant", what has that to do with any kind of opinion? Sorry, but I don't share your view here.
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StellaJackson said:
Thank you for understanding. That's what I was trying to say. I didn't insult Ivy at all, I simply said that her opinion on the singers technique is irrelevant if she hasn't heard all the songs, which she claimed not to. Then she started insulting me by calling me personally irrelevant, which was totally unnecessary.
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again perfect example of lack of empathy. I don't care what you see as an insult or not. As I was at the receiving end of it what matters is how I perceive it. We are in a thread where people used words such as utter bullshit nonsense and excuse and we had huge debates about it and there have been banning.

So it's insulting when someone jumps to your post and the first word from their mouth is "irrelevant". I spend my time and effort here to type something in a nice fashion all relaxed and the first thing written to it is "irrelevant" ? seriously? and why would I be okay to it when it's clearly disrespectful to my opinion? The one rule of this thread? I saw red. Also Stella is no place to know what I heard or not. Life continues, a few days ago I heard burn 2 nite and I didn't feel the need to report it. I don't care what stella thinks he/she knows or is a fact, he/she absolutely knows nothing about me.

So you can be all okay and fine and dandy but I will not accept such disrespect to my opinion or posts. So I used the same word against Stella and came the complaints as always , good so now you can taste your own medicine. Honestly I'm f*cking fed up with this constant disrespect of opinions coming from a few people and I'm gonna call people on it. Don't like it? Tough luck.

And stella please drop the disability complaints, you are not the only one with a disability (heck how do you know that I don't even have one) and it has nothing to do with your disability , it's about your tone and if you can't handle this thread perhaps you shouldn't come here.
 
Btw: the snippet Korgnex uploaded is from 3:42 in I Just Can't Stop Loving You French version:

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