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Michael - The Great Album Debate

kreen said:
Here's a simple question, that hasn't really been asked before, I think.

Do we have any reason to think Eddie Cascio has ever even met Jason Malachi?
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Eddie lives in New Jersey and Jason in Maryland. And everyone living within 200 miles knows each other. ehehehehe sorry I had to do it.
 
kreen said:
Here's a simple question, that hasn't really been asked before, I think.

Do we have any reason to think Eddie Cascio has ever even met Jason Malachi?
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Yes there is a direct connection via someone who is even credited in the album. No one has made it yet...
 
kreen said:
Well who is it?
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I'm not playing that card. Everything needs to be done in the right way through the courts. If everything is spoken about publicly then it gives the perpetrators a chance to cover their tracks. All I will say is that their is a damning paper trail out there for anyone who really really digs deep.
 
StellaJackson said:
Yes there is a direct connection via someone who is even credited in the album. No one has made it yet...
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I second that question. who is it?

and how is Eddie knowing someone that knows Jason means that he knows Jason?

For example I know and have contact with Frank who is the brother of Eddie. but I have absolutely no contact or knowledge of Eddie.

I'm not playing that card. Everything needs to be done in the right way through the courts. If everything is spoken about publicly then it gives the perpetrators a chance to cover their tracks. All I will say is that their is a damning paper trail out there for anyone who really really digs deep.
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yay ! someone said courts :) I can't wait. and if you can establish something as fact - and not a theory / assumption - you can say it as they can't cover it / deny it.
 
azsummergirl said:
wait. so let me get this straight. you honestly, honestly believe that the two songs in that first video sound like 2 different people, and the two voices in the second video sound like the same person? is that what you're saying?

regardless of ANYTHING, i just don't understand how anyone on earth, even if they had never heard mj OR jason, could say the first 2 voices are less similar to each other than the 2nd two voices. here they are, in order, again:
http://www.box.com/s/x5ptznfnfhxte6b198b7
http://www.box.com/s/3n6t8v0lejsu307r8i4i

the 2nd one sounds like a closer comparison to you. really? really? like . . . really? but the 1st one sounds like 2 people. REALLY?

like let's just focus on one part: the falsetto. that FALSETTO in the second comparison sounds like it's done by the same person in both songs? to me, it sounds like one is crystal clear and gorgeous, and the other is kind of the opposite of that.

i'm gonna go kill up some cereal before bed . . . i'm out.
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I listen to MJ only so I know his voice and I believe the people that MJ trusted so yeah.

And yes I hear 2 different people Michael Jackson and Jason Malachi on those other videos where they are comparing the songs.
 
StellaJackson said:
I'm not playing that card. Everything needs to be done in the right way through the courts. If everything is spoken about publicly then it gives the perpetrators a chance to cover their tracks. All I will say is that their is a damning paper trail out there for anyone who really really digs deep.
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LOL!

@Ivy: Here's the "top secret" conspiracy theorists' favorite "list of enemies":
https://twitter.com/#!/damienshields/status/113819889193598976
Eddie Cascio
James Porte
Frank DiLeo
Sony Music
The Michael Jackson Estate
John Branca
Howard Weitzman
Harvey Levin
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Most popular proponent of this theory is Mr. Damien Shields:

damien shields said:
Of course they are close. TMZ owner Harvey Levin and Estate lawyer Howart Weitzman are buddies.

Hence why TMZ and Harvey personally was SO insistent on saying the FAKE tracks were real...
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TMZ owner Harvey Levin and Estate lawyer Howart Weitzman are buddies.
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Harvey Levin is a lawyer and knows Weitzman. At their live chats Levin doesn't hide the fact that he's in contact with the Estate however similarly he has direct contact with the Jacksons. He's also open about it.

Hence why TMZ and Harvey personally was SO insistent on saying the FAKE tracks were real...
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This is an assumption. Levin also questions Michael's paternity, says he was doctor-shopping addict and promoted Jackson Family Tribute and he's the single source that says Murray will not spend time at prison. So as being "buddies" with Weitzman isn't stopping him from bad mouthing Michael and/or promoting not Estate authorized events, it's a reach to say that his support for the tracks were due to his friendship with Weitzman.
 
@Ivy: Apparently they've persuaded themselves to be "hot on their trails".

damien shields said:
One day. Be patient. I haven't just been rambling for 10 months haha. I've been researching. Many have. Things will come out.
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You're confused, Korgnex. That's not the "list of enemies." This is:

John McClain
Cory Rooney
Rodney Jerkins
Anthony Curtis
Jennifer Batten
Charles Klapow
Karen Faye
Taj Jackson
Taryll Jackson
TJ Jackson
Jackie Jackson
Randy Jackson
Jermaine Jackson
La Toya Jackson
Katherine Jackson
Prince Jackson
Paris Jackson
Numerous Michael Jackson fans (Including Damien Shields, of course.)

You see, according to "conspiracy theorists," the Jason Malachi vocal tracks were actually recorded by Michael Jackson (even though there's no evidence of it), and all the above people are simply out to get the Cascio family because of "jealously."

Hilarious, right?
 
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I don't believe that any of the Jacksons are "Out to get" the cascios.. It's the fans.. Fans hold grudges much more so than any of the Jackson family..We grudge Oprah but Janet, Katherine, Prince, Paris have spoken to her.. Just because there is discrepancy it does not mean people start grudging the way fans do.. Fans hunt for blood..
 
@Calisto: Maybe you'll realize your own "confusion". Your list is a joke. It's also inappropriate to reverse the use of the word "conspiracy theorists" as there's only one side to which it clearly applies.

John McClain has never SAID anything about the songs' authenticity, just a Jackon claiming he would have tried to remove them which is legal nonsense as he has the full power to exercise his right of veto.

Cory Rooney and Taryll Jackson are the only ones who have directly accused Eddie Cascio of fraud. And Cory Rooney is denying his business relationship with Taryll Jackson...

The kids? Are you "kid"-ding?

Rodney Jerkins, Jennifer Batten have NEVER said anything about the songs' authenticity at all or accused anyone of a fraud, they have just said they don't think it sounds like him. That's fine, it's their opinion like it is yours.
Anthony Curtis (50 Cent)??? What shall he have said?
La Toya, Jermaine, Karen Faye? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...

C'mon! That list is a good joke...
 
Calisto said:
You're confused, Korgnex. That's not the "list of enemies." This is:

John McClain
Cory Rooney
Rodney Jerkins
Anthony Curtis
Jennifer Batten
Charles Klapow
Karen Faye
Taj Jackson
Taryll Jackson
TJ Jackson
Jackie Jackson
Randy Jackson
Jermaine Jackson
La Toya Jackson
Katherine Jackson
Prince Jackson
Paris Jackson
Numerous Michael Jackson fans (Including Damien Shields, of course.)

You see, according to "conspiracy theorists," the Jason Malachi vocal tracks were actually recorded by Michael Jackson (even though there's no evidence of it), and all the above people are simply out to get the Cascio family because of "jealously."

Hilarious, right?
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Is this a joke ?


Update: I'm a believer and I know MJ is singing, but was it really necessary to include all these people on the list even MJ's kids ?
 
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Korgnex, first, I hope you know I always respect you and your opinions.

You tend to suggest the doubters are a bunch of brainwashed ignorant anti-establishment fanatics. Frankly, it's condescending. Why bring up Damien here? Is it fair to him? He's not involved in the current discussion here. I'm of the opinion that what happened between you and him outside of MJJC should stay outside.

By the way, when will the truth come out? You said the truth would be out in the near future months ago.
 
Korgnex, if you can't tell, it is a joke. I'm parodying your recent condescending posts, in which you purposely belittle and simplify the views of "doubters." (Something you seem to have a habit of doing.)

By the way...

- Everyone on that list has spoken negatively about the Cascio tracks (either publicly or reportedly).

- Jackie Jackson, or "the Jackson" as you say, isn't the only person who has openly mentioned John McClain's beliefs. (You keep forgetting about Teddy Riley, Roger Friedman, and the New York Daily News.)

- Anthony Curtis is Tony Kurtis (you know, the one you lazily dismiss as "ridiculous"), not 50 Cent (Curtis Jackson).
 
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@love is magical

Nothing happened between damien and me. He's a famous leader ficture of the doubters, that's the sole reason why I'm quoting him.

The truth is out to a few individuals that are involved in a court case. They've chosen to not make any of this public because they know they're going to lose it big time. At first they wanted to even go to the media with this but they've quickly dropped this idea.

@Calisto: Erm, nope. That list is hugely exaggerated. Go and find what EXACTLY these persons have said indeed.
No, it's just Jackie Jackson. Riley, Friedman and NYT pointed out that McClain didn't think the end result of the tracks was good enough for a release. Nothing about authenticity.

Ah yeah, I mixed up the name, my bad. Tony Kurtis is the guy that produced some Jason songs and made a few funny youTube clips where he changed the voice and claimed it's clear to him that it would be Jason. And then he was shut down due to aspersions which he never dared to contest.

In case you haven't noticed it: The doubters are belittling others all the time. So it's only normal that when I point out to their inappropriate postings that often call out others as "the stupid fans that don't know anything about Michael's voice" etc., my postings get a bit harsh, too. It's human nature.
 
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To be clear - none of the names mentioned have anything to do with what I was talking about earlier. There is a court case and it has nothing to do with Birchey.
 
im so confused who believes in what this point so I dont know who to even direct comments to..
 
Thanks Korgnex. Any reason the information from the court case cannot be revealed? I thought court info is public info. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have very limited legal knowledge.

I don't know whether doubters truly regard Damien as a "leader figure." May be some do. But, I surely don't. To me, he's a fellow fan, certainly not a hero. His opinion is not more highly regarded than yours. Vice versa.

Sometimes, we may want to take a step back and not to take things too personal. Things may get heated in the discussion. But, I truly believe most fans are not out to get fellow fans. Believers and doubters are MJ fans. We share a common passion. Just because we don't agree on the Cascio tracks doesn't mean we are against each other.
 
love is magical said:
Thanks Korgnex. Any reason the information from the court case cannot be revealed? I thought court info is public info. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have very limited legal knowledge.
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in USA the court information and filings/documents would be public. Perhaps someone can tell us if the same thing is true for UK as well.

the other thing is while the case is ongoing there can be a gag order - which wouldn't let involved parties to comment.
 
ivy said:
in USA the court information and filings/documents would be public. Perhaps someone can tell us if the same thing is true for UK as well. the other thing is while the case is ongoing there can be a gag order - which wouldn't let involved parties to comment.
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Thanks Ivy. So, there is definitely a court case regarding the Cascio tracks that is still on-going in the UK now?
 
ivy said:
in USA the court information and filings/documents would be public. Perhaps someone can tell us if the same thing is true for UK as well.

the other thing is while the case is ongoing there can be a gag order - which wouldn't let involved parties to comment.
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You just answered your previous question to me.
 
Korgnex said:
@love is magical

Nothing happened between damien and me. He's a famous leader ficture of the doubters, that's the sole reason why I'm quoting him.

The truth is out to a few individuals that are involved in a court case. They've chosen to not make any of this public because they know they're going to lose it big time. At first they wanted to even go to the media with this but they've quickly dropped this idea.

@Calisto: Erm, nope. That list is hugely exaggerated. Go and find what EXACTLY these persons have said indeed.
No, it's just Jackie Jackson. Riley, Friedman and NYT pointed out that McClain didn't think the end result of the tracks was good enough for a release. Nothing about authenticity.

Ah yeah, I mixed up the name, my bad. Tony Kurtis is the guy that produced some Jason songs and made a few funny youTube clips where he changed the voice and claimed it's clear to him that it would be Jason. And then he was shut down due to aspersions which he never dared to contest.

In case you haven't noticed it: The doubters are belittling others all the time. So it's only normal that when I point out to their inappropriate postings that often call out others as "the stupid fans that don't know anything about Michael's voice" etc., my postings get a bit harsh, too. It's human nature.
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Your post is condesending and it is offensive. You say that doubters do the same all of the time. Well people are reported all of the time as well. The point is, it is unacceptable no matter who does it. So please stop trying to belittle other people with your responses.

Thank you.
 
Speaking of court cases, I actually watched the music video for Crystal Cartier's Dangerous last night. It made me feel a bit sick actually.
 
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Korgnex said:
The truth is out to a few individuals that are involved in a court case. They've chosen to not make any of this public because they know they're going to lose it big time. At first they wanted to even go to the media with this but they've quickly dropped this idea.
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Is there any information you can give out about that?

I think tbh every other avenue has been explored in this thread :doh:
 
Somehow I don't think the terms 'leader figure' and 'doubters' go together very well. 'Doubters' to me come across as people who don't go following the masses. They make up their own minds and some are just more outspoken than others.
 
Korgnex;3550009 said:
@Calisto: Erm, nope. That list is hugely exaggerated. Go and find what these persons have said indeed.
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Don't worry, friend. That post is coming.

Korgnex said:
No, it's just Jackie Jackson. Riley, Friedman and NYT pointed out that McClain didn't think the end result of the tracks was good enough for a release. Nothing about authenticity.
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"I'm told that co-executor John McClain questioned whether the vocals were really Michael's, or faked." - Roger Friedman

"According to sources, co-executor John McClain has poisoned the water with Katherine Jackson regarding the Cascio family. On Monday, Mrs. Jackson apparently insisted that no tracks from the Cascio sessions be included. [...] In the end, it may not matter what the Ts, Michael’s children, or his mother, or John McClain thinks." - Roger Friedman

"The 3Ts, I am told, along with co-executor John McClain, have claimed it's a Jacko impersonator." - Roger Friedman

"Yesterday I was told there was no deal brokered yet between all the fractious parties in the Jackson camp. Co executor John McClain was still claiming that the vocals on some of the tracks weren't Michael's." - Roger Friedman

"Jackson estate co-executor John McClain, who briefly co-managed the singer in the early '90s, was among a dissenting Greek chorus that claimed an impostor, not Jackson, was on the tapes." - NY Daily News

"McClain, who had briefly managed Jackson in the early '90s, was among a Greek chorus that claimed an impostor was on the tapes." - NY Daily News (Nearly the same quote as above but from a separate story.)

"And the person who is really trying to screw this all up, his initials are J.M. We know who J.M. is. He’s stirring it up because he challenged me on this record. He mixed the same records. Now this is the guy who is the head of the estate. And he challenged me because I worked in the studio and I said, ‘I can’t work in here. I’m not comfortable.’ And when I left the studio, he assigned another producer to mix the same songs that I was working on, and my songs beat him. Now all of a sudden ‘it’s not Michael’s voice.’” - Teddy Riley

Note: I don't have access to all my files right now, so there's a chance I'm forgetting a couple other Roger Friedman and Teddy Riley quotes.
 
StellaJackson said:
You just answered your previous question to me.
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uhmm no. A gag order means that the parties involved - plaintiff/ defendant/ lawyers- cannot comment on it as it's ongoing.

whether the case is filed or not and what type of case it is wouldn't be covered by a gag order.

Example : both Michael's 2005 case and 2011 Murray case had gag orders. It didn't stop that we knew about the cases, the media reported about the cases, and the public filings and so on.

For example Estate - HTWF has a confidentiality clause. While the fact that there's a settlement is public , the details are confidential.

so again my questions:

ivy said:
already filed or to be filed?

and what's the allegation - fraud?
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these are basic factual questions that can be answered regardless of confidentiality and/or gag orders.
 
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