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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Mmm...a bit speechless about this whole ban-thing.

Barok: please reconsider it, you've been a member here for 7 yrs. I respect your decision, though.
 
StellaJackson said:
My point is why did you have to state that you would make it harder for him? It seemed unnecessary. Also, could you clearly state what is offensive about the word "excuse". Someone who is looking at the forum for me has requested this.
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The word is forbidden now?
I found myself using it quite a lot. :D
Edited out the latest for peace.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
First video you compared Michael Jackson and Jason Malachi.

Second video you compared Michael Jackson with Michael Jackson.
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No the first video was KYHU compared with Jason songs. The second video was Best of Joy compared with KYHU. I do not believe for one second that KYHU is sung by Michael, which is why I said that.
 
Calisto said:
Pardon? My argument is about "ASON" (A-S-O-N), not "SON" (S-O-N). The "A," which you conveniently excluded, is important.



I'm well aware of the back story.

Now, being objective for a moment, which of the following is closest to the name ASON in both spelling and number of letters:

a) Jason
b) Jackson
c) Angelikson

It's a fact that the answer is the first one, but really, the beauty of ASON is that it can represent all three. (And that's a very possible reason why it was chosen by Eddie Cascio/James Porte, which was my original point.)



This goes to anyone: feel free to critique/rip apart the rest of my posts (some of which I've updated) regarding the ASON copyright registrations. Links are here, here, and here
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Okay I'm going to end this Angelikson thing right now.

Like @StellaJackson said on the Thriller 25th Anniversary, Angelikson was credited for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' so any theory that it says "Son" because of Jason ends now.

:)
 
kreen said:
I find it surprising your avatar is the "Immortal" logo, when you are so firmly opposed to the Cascio songs. You know "Monster" is in the show and they're getting money from it. Shouldn't you change your avatar? Because it looks like you're promoting "Immortal".
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Nice try.
 
about excuse

I already explained that in detail in my post. don't you remember it?

what you call an "excuse" is another person's "opinion" and you need to respect that. You can disagree with it but you need to be respectful. Calling it an "excuse" is disrespectful and belittling. One member has been banned from this thread for replying to every post as "utter complete BS". This use of "excuse" is no different.

If I'm wrong and if you don't agree with me, you can point out what I'm mistaken at, express your point with examples without the use of such belittling adjectives as "excuse". Look to other people posts, look to mine. I don't agree with you but do I use such adjectives? Or think like this, how would you feel if I quote all of your posts and call them "the same old same old repeat".


and

But it's ok for you to refer to what I say as BS?

and for the record : I didn't call your post as BS, I only called "excuses" part as BS and even that was enough to get you riled up.

so you understand what I'm saying then? I only did it to show how your behavior is disrespectful and belittling. You get all wound up when I called "excuses" as BS. So you should be able to see how you calling what other people say "excuses" are appealing as well.
 
kreen said:
Actually, we have a TON of examples where MJ's voice sounds unlike "usual MJ", to the point where there has been discussion before his death on some of the most surprising examples, from his vocals on "2000 Watts" and "Beautiful Girl" (did he have a cold when he sang that?), to how he sounded at the This Is It press conference. And if you can't think of examples where MJ's vocals have been supbar in a non-studio environment, can I direct you to some of his performances of WBSS during the HIStory tour? Or that time he struggled to sing even a few lines of We are the World at some Awards Show? Or when he sings some Doobie Brothers lyrics to Liz Taylor over the phone? Or "The Lost Children" with his kids?

I think part of the anti-Cascio feeling also comes from this irrational idea that some fans have : surely MJ can't sound THAT weak and ordinary. Well, yes, he could, especially near the end of his life. One would think that the events of the past few years would disillusion fans of the whole "MJ is god" thing.
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It was the World Music Awards held in London in 2006 at Earls Court. I've never questioned any of those things because they all sound like Michael. Even with a cold/not feeling up to it etc he still sounded like himself. Best Of Joy and Hold My Hand were both recorded in those later years and sound fine.
 
kreen said:
Actually, we have a TON of examples where MJ's voice sounds unlike "usual MJ", to the point where there has been discussion before his death on some of the most surprising examples, from his vocals on "2000 Watts" and "Beautiful Girl" (did he have a cold when he sang that?), to how he sounded at the This Is It press conference. And if you can't think of examples where MJ's vocals have been supbar in a non-studio environment, can I direct you to some of his performances of WBSS during the HIStory tour? Or that time he struggled to sing even a few lines of We are the World at some Awards Show? Or when he sings some Doobie Brothers lyrics to Liz Taylor over the phone? Or "The Lost Children" with his kids?

I think part of the anti-Cascio feeling also comes from this irrational idea that some fans have : surely MJ can't sound THAT weak and ordinary. Well, yes, he could, especially near the end of his life. One would think that the events of the past few years would disillusion fans of the whole "MJ is god" thing.
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2007 wasn't near the end of his life and the singer's voice on the Cascio tracks doesn't sound weak, on the contrary. It's vibrant. It just doesn't sound like Michael.

and yes, I think his voice was a bit weaker in BOJ, but still recognizable as Michael. Recognition also goes for his phonecall to Elizabeth Taylor, Beautiful girl, and Michael singing whilst puzzling with his children.
 
kreen said:
Actually, we have a TON of examples where MJ's voice sounds unlike "usual MJ", to the point where there has been discussion before his death on some of the most surprising examples, from his vocals on "2000 Watts" and "Beautiful Girl" (did he have a cold when he sang that?), to how he sounded at the This Is It press conference.
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The "2000 watts" argument makes me laugh each time... :) It only proves a very weak knowledge of music and MJ voice.

>>> http://www.box.com/s/s0gpdqvse97vnbhihbkc
 
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Chamife said:
2007 wasn't near the end of his life and the singer's voice on the Cascio tracks doesn't sound weak, on the contrary. It's vibrant. It just doesn't sound like Michael.

and yes, I think his voice was a bit weaker in BOJ, but still recognizable as Michael. Recognition also goes for his phonecall to Elizabeth Taylor, Beautiful girl, and Michael singing whilst puzzling with his children.
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Exactly right, Chamife.

The problem isn't that I hear a vocalist who is tired and uninterested—because I don't and never have. The problem is that I simply and genuinely do not hear Michael Jackson, but instead, Jason Malachi.

To the believers, this is not an exaggeration. It's very blatant to my ears that the singer is Jason on each and every one of the 12 ballad and uptempo songs. I will not lie to myself.
 
:) Instead of the word "excuse" I suggest the word "THEORY" so nobody gets offended.
Like the "Melodyne theory" or the "Basement theory" or "Michael was old theory", etc.
 
Do NOT ban this barok232 moron,

Come and get me, sue me

I will laugh directly in your face at your inept attempt to bring your pathetic and frivolous attempt to my door.

This is beyond laughable and so a waste of my valuable time.

Prick
 
I just have one question. Did Eddie ever give any proof that is Mike the one who is singing on those three Cascio songs? You know, a video of Mike actually singing them, demos of Mike singing the songs and things like this? I mean i look at this thread and i see more that 1300 pages of discution on the subject which means that there is a lot of controvercy on the issue. Do we have any actual proof that is Mike the one on the songs?
 
teli-mj said:
I just have one question. Did Eddie ever give any proof that is Mike the one who is singing on those three Cascio songs? You know, a video of Mike actually singing them, demos of Mike singing the songs and things like this? I mean i look at this thread and i see more that 1300 pages of discution on the subject which means that there is a lot of controvercy on the issue. Do we have any actual proof that is Mike the one on the songs?
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There are only three things.

1) According to the estate the best forensic musicologists in the world confirmed it is him.
2) The songs are registered as Michael Jacksons.
3) The songs are released as Michael Jacksons.

This is all we got.
No videos, no notes, no outtakes. Nothing.
2) and 3) don't really count because they are just a result of 1).
In regards of 1) however, we are all puzzled, because no results were released.

There really is MJ to be found, but only per cut and paste.
 
^^ Thank you. So i'm sticking to my belief that those songs are not MJ. I only hope that whoever was responsible for that obnoxious project, will never ever even think of repeating it again. The "Michael" absurdity was enought.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Like many have stated we have to also remember that others were recorded in studios and the Cascio tracks in a basement others might have not been processed Cascio tracks were processed.
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being recorded in a basement has nothing to do with it, the equipment was of good quality, and those other songs were processed, everything on any album is processed FYI
 
eXceLOfFam1 said:
being recorded in a basement has nothing to do with it, the equipment was of good quality, and those other songs were processed, everything on any album is processed FYI
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And the Cascio basement is a studio. WBSS 08 was recorded there and sounds fine. These songs are recorded on very good quality equipment. In fact, it's surprising how well they were recorded and put together.
 
to whoever said that maybe they're not providing proof cuz it's "not such a big deal" . . . it's a HUGE deal. they defrauded michael jackson. that's a huge deal.

forensic evidence might be meaningful. unless, of course, you've heard all 12 tracks.in which case forensics isn't really necessary.

and how about the forensic evidence we've already done anyway? Like the waveform analysis that proves the multiple copy/pastes throughout these fraudulent tracks? does that count? you put any weight on that? i mean, at least us lowly fans actually have SHOWN our proof. i'm still waiting to see what the "experts" came up with during their nonexistant analysis.

LISTEN TO THESE SONGS, for realsies, guys.
 
lucilla;3549270 said:
:) Instead of the word "excuse" I suggest the word "THEORY" so nobody gets offended.Like the "Melodyne theory" or the "Basement theory" or "Michael was old theory", etc.
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Yeah... we can call it theories, excuses.. etc.. but look...

This thread was created for the people who believe the tracks are not MJ.

We can not talk about it in other threads and now the word "excuse" is forbiden in this "controversial thread". I don´t know what will be the next step.

I can understand that people has to respect other opinions but i think that call "excuses" to the believers theories should be valid because this is a post for doubters and doubters thinks that those theories about processing/melodyne/poor basement/ are not enough to justify:

1- Jason vibrattos, Jason yelps, and Jason snorts on all Cascios tracks.

2- "Monster" same structure as "Let me let go", "Keep your head up" vs "Room2Breath", "Mamacita" vs "B2nite".

3- The voice of a younger guy.

Etc.... etc.... etc...

I will respect the order to not call it "excuses" but i think it is not fair in the only one post for doubters.
 
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Kapital77 said:
Yeah... we can call it theories, excuses.. etc.. but look...This thread was created for the people who believe the tracks are not MJ.We can not talk about it in other threads and now the word "excuse" is forbiden in this "controversial thread"?. I can understand that the people has to respect other opinions but i think that call "excuses" to the believers theories should be valid because this is a post for doubters and doubters thinks that those theories about processing/melodyne/poor basement/ to justify:1- Jason vibrattos, Jason yelps, Jason snorts on all Cascios tracks.2- Monster same structure as Let me let go, Keep your head up vs Room2Breath, Mamacita vs B2nite.3- The voice of a younger guy.Etc.... etc.... etc...I will respect the order to not call it "excuses" but i think it is not fair in the only one post for doubters.
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I'm quite happy with the word "theory" and to be clear this thread was turned into a debate thread for both sides actually. It's no longer a "only doubters" thread.
 
"Undiscovered

20th April 2009, 10:09 PM

Jason Malachi just might be opening up for MJ during his tour at the O2 arena in London.....will keep you posted.

Best Wishes......Malachi"

Yeah he really is that arrogant.
 
just wanted to say this..For those of you that think its Jason and those of you that think its Michael.. I appreciate all of you!! I am thankful to have a fan community that I can find fellow fans that I can debate and discuss things with.. Thank you! I just wanted to say this cuz I see people getting pretty tense between everyone and I just wanted to take a second to breath and take perspective
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
First video you compared Michael Jackson and Jason Malachi.

Second video you compared Michael Jackson with Michael Jackson.
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wait. so let me get this straight. you honestly, honestly believe that the two songs in that first video sound like 2 different people, and the two voices in the second video sound like the same person? is that what you're saying?

regardless of ANYTHING, i just don't understand how anyone on earth, even if they had never heard mj OR jason, could say the first 2 voices are less similar to each other than the 2nd two voices. here they are, in order, again:
http://www.box.com/s/x5ptznfnfhxte6b198b7
http://www.box.com/s/3n6t8v0lejsu307r8i4i

the 2nd one sounds like a closer comparison to you. really? really? like . . . really? but the 1st one sounds like 2 people. REALLY?

like let's just focus on one part: the falsetto. that FALSETTO in the second comparison sounds like it's done by the same person in both songs? to me, it sounds like one is crystal clear and gorgeous, and the other is kind of the opposite of that.

i'm gonna go kill up some cereal before bed . . . i'm out.
 
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mjmax said:
After putting forward the processing and any kind of excuse, this is the latest argument: a pure coincidence ! :D

Kreen, can I quote this excuse and add it in my signature? I love it, really.. :D
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Let me be clear - You cannot ridicule other members, You cannot be disrespectful. You cannot have links to forbidden Cascio songs / downloads / comparison in the posts or in your signature. The last one alone is enough to get infractioned / banned. Treat this as first , last and only warning.
 
I know this is gonna bug azsummergirl but I do hear Michael more in the second recording more so than the first.. I really do!!
 
Here's a simple question, that hasn't really been asked before, I think.

Do we have any reason to think Eddie Cascio has ever even met Jason Malachi?
 
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