Michael - The Great Album Debate

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When somebody said that Michael sings "STAY", I was like:

 

[Pentum]

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I haven't. I just said in other words that Jason has enough talent to make believe the audience it is Michael singing, especially on slower songs.

Listen to this little comparison i made quick- HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY THIS ISN'T THE SAME PERSON?? Gaaaaaaaah!!! Listen to it!!

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/all-i-need-a-hero-fell-comparison

It even sounds like the same song at the end. It's right there! Same voice!

 

[donalb]

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When somebody said that Michael sings "STAY", I was like:

Yeah. The controversy will most certainly continue if this song is ever released

 

[kreen]

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I MEAN JUST LISTEN TO THAT! LISTEN to Michael's voice... that incredible, dulcet tone. And then compare it to the bogus tracks that are edited around it. Are people ignoring all of this?!?!?!

I just listened to it, and it is... inconclusive. If anything, I'd say that the two closer "away" samples are the ones from Stay and from MJ's "Don't Walk Away".

It's also inconclusive because, like all of those comparisons, the best they can hope to achieve is prove that in 2007, MJ sounded a lot like somebody else whose main purpose in life is to sound like MJ.

 

[samhabib]

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I just listened to it, and it is... inconclusive. If anything, I'd say that the two closer "away" samples are the ones from Stay and from MJ's "Don't Walk Away".

It's also inconclusive because, like all of those comparisons, the best they can hope to achieve is prove that in 2007, MJ sounded a lot like somebody else whose main purpose in life is to sound like MJ.

It's completely and utterly damning. Utterly damning.

You can continue to believe that Michael Jackson lost every sense of his ability for those 3 months in 2007 and miracuously regained them in 2009. That's your prerogative.

I'll continue to believe that Michael Jackson was the greatest vocalist of all time.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Here is one more leaked song by the Cascio, be the judge and say if it's Michael singing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzcF1M2yj4

 

[Pentum]

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I just listened to it, and it is... inconclusive. If anything, I'd say that the two closer "away" samples are the ones from Stay and from MJ's "Don't Walk Away".

It's also inconclusive because, like all of those comparisons, the best they can hope to achieve is prove that in 2007, MJ sounded a lot like somebody else whose main purpose in life is to sound like MJ.

And what about this?

Listen to this little comparison i made quick- HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY THIS ISN'T THE SAME PERSON?? Gaaaaaaaah!!! Listen to it!!

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/all-i-need-a-hero-fell-comparison

It even sounds like the same song at the end. It's right there! Same voice!

 

[Arklove]

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Here is one more leaked song by the Cascio, be the judge and say if it's Michael singing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzcF1M2yj4

There's the Michael we all know and love!

 

[samhabib]

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There's the Michael we all know and love!

The Melodyne is up but as long as they tell us that's Michael, then that's Michael. It's not like we can prove it's not him, afterall.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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There's the Michael we all know and love!

Yes, he sings like a bird (a crow or something like that)

The Melodyne is up but as long as they tell us that's Michael, then that's Michael. It's not like we can prove it's not him, afterall.

Exactly my point And you are entitled to your opinion

 

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[Arklove]

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The Melodyne is up but as long as they tell us that's Michael, then that's Michael. It's not like we can prove it's not him, afterall.

Melodyne? That's 100% pure raw vocals right there! No need for proof. As Bumper said, he sings like a bird!

 

[kreen]

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And what about this?

Again, it's the same thing will ALL of the comparisons you've made -- and you've made a bunch. All that such comparisons can prove is that "Jason Malachi, on this particular song, in this particular part, sounds a lot like Michael Jackson, on this particular song, in this particular part".

Keep in mind I don't know whether the Cascio tracks are real or false. But such comparisons cannot, by their very nature, provide proof one way or another.

Here's a way I can explain this : suppose I produced a .wav file of myself singing, say, a part of "Privacy", where I managed to sound almost exactly like MJ on some parts of that song. Would this file prove that I am the one who actually sang "Privacy" on Invincible? Of course not.

The only way this debate can finally be laid to rest one way or another is if other kinds of proof are provided, and in particular, if this question can finally be answered : How could such a hoax be pulled off, considering the number of people who would have to now hold their tongues for the rest of their lives?

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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I don't think all the sarcasm is beneficial to this discussion. Once again, it implies that anyone who doesn't share the same opinion has no sort of clue as to what they're speaking on.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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The thing is on Monster 50 cents rap is by far the highlight of the song for me, and if it was Michael Jackson on lead vocals i don't think i'd ever be saying that in a million years, even under the influence of strange substances I'm not even a 50 cent fan by any means so thats saying a lot

 

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Listen to this little comparison i made quick- HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY THIS ISN'T THE SAME PERSON?? Gaaaaaaaah!!! Listen to it!!

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/all-i-need-a-hero-fell-comparison

It even sounds like the same song at the end. It's right there! Same voice!

Indeed, there are more similarities with JM than with MJ.

I just listened to it, and it is... inconclusive. If anything, I'd say that the two closer "away" samples are the ones from Stay and from MJ's "Don't Walk Away".

It's also inconclusive because, like all of those comparisons, the best they can hope to achieve is prove that in 2007, MJ sounded a lot like somebody else whose main purpose in life is to sound like MJ.

Ok, but all in all it ressembles more JM than MJ.

Melodyne? That's 100% pure raw vocals right there! No need for proof. As Bumper said, he sings like a bird!

Exactly! Crow vocals.

Again, it's the same thing will ALL of the comparisons you've made -- and you've made a bunch. All that such comparisons can prove is that "Jason Malachi, on this particular song, in this particular part, sounds a lot like Michael Jackson, on this particular song, in this particular part".

Keep in mind I don't know whether the Cascio tracks are real or false. But such comparisons cannot, by their very nature, provide proof one way or another.

Here's a way I can explain this : suppose I produced a .wav file of myself singing, say, a part of "Privacy", where I managed to sound almost exactly like MJ on some parts of that song. Would this file prove that I am the one who actually sang "Privacy" on Invincible? Of course not.

The only way this debate can finally be laid to rest one way or another is if other kinds of proof are provided, and in particular, if this question can finally be answered : How could such a hoax be pulled off, considering the number of people who would have to now hold their tongues for the rest of their lives?

Well provide any other MJ's song and put it side by side to the Cascio song and let's try to hear the similarities if there is any.

The thing is on Monster 50 cents rap is by far the highlight of the song for me, and if it was Michael Jackson on lead vocals i don't think i'd ever be saying that in a million years, even under the influence of strange substances I'm not even a 50 cent fan by any means so thats saying a lot

Well, poor 50cents for getting duped.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I don't think all the sarcasm is beneficial to this discussion. Once again, it implies that anyone who doesn't share the same opinion has no sort of clue as to what they're speaking on.

Sarcasm is good for our mental health otherwise we go crazy.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Every time I come here, no one is speaking any more. There must be some kind of conspiracy against me.

 

[kopwatcher]

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What proportion of songs will be MJ on the next album?

Place your bets now.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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If I hear more songs from the Cascio on the next album I'll go:

smooth criminal!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Sarcasm is good for our mental health otherwise we go crazy.

Some people may take it as an insult to one's intelligence. And if there weren't any similarities with the Cascio and songs and past Michael songs, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, as the songs wouldn't even be on the album. On a song like KYHU the general vocals sound like no one other than Michael, whereas these comparisons are of one specific similar similarity which is being shoved into peoples face as "proof". Not really an accurate comparison, when the general vocals don't really sound like the guy you're all assuming is on these records.

 

[love is magical]

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Some people may take it as an insult to one's intelligence. And if there weren't any similarities with the Cascio and songs and past Michael songs, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, as the songs wouldn't even be on the album. On a song like KYHU the general vocals sound like no one other than Michael, whereas these comparisons are of one specific similar similarity which is being shoved into peoples face as "proof". Not really an accurate comparison, when the general vocals don't really sound like the guy you're all assuming is on these records.

Of course, there are similarities becasue the producers of the Cascio tracks tried hard to imitate Michael's style.

However, listening to those songs feels like looking at pictures of impersonators. They seem like Michael, but not really Michael.

I still don't understand why these songs are selected to be released on the first posthumous Michael Jackson album. Even if it is proved that the vocal is 100% genuine, I have no problem in saying these songs are mediocre at best.

 

[azsummergirl]

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oh wow. i had misplaced my good headphones for the past couple weeks. just found them in my truck and had a chance to listen to pentum's comparison in high quality instead of my crappy laptop speakers:
http://soundcloud.com/pentum/all-i-need-a-hero-fell-comparison

that's a good one. appreciate the work you did putting those together!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Of course, there are similarities becasue the producers of the Cascio tracks tried hard to imitate Michael's style.

However, listening to those songs feels like looking at pictures of impersonators. They seem like Michael, but not really Michael.

I still don't understand why these songs are selected to be released on the first posthumous Michael Jackson album. Even if it is proved that the vocal is 100% genuine, I have no problem in saying these songs are mediocre at best.

That's an assumption, whereas it lacks proof.

 

[azsummergirl]

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"Sounding like Michael Jackson and BEING Michael Jackson are two different things."--taryll

simply true.

sigh. this could go on forever. and it WILL go on forever b/c i'm not willing to drop it b/c it's so insulting and ridiculous.

BUT the fact remains that there may never be proof on either side. except for, you know, the proof in the tracks. the tracks that are clearly not michael jackson. those tracks.

we'll make it through whatever sh*t they throw at us though. no matter what they do to hurt his legacy or rip apart his fans. we been through a lot worse. we are forever.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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David Nordahl talked about Michael and mentioned Michael sang in a different way at home

"We'd be walking along and he'd break out into song. But not like Michael Jackson. He would sing like it was a man in the shower, just singing. "

http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/interviewwithdavidnordahl.html

I noticed this post in the album thread, in no way am I trying to claim this poster's view towards these songs, I quoted it solely for Nordahl and this excerpt from his interview regarding his relationship with Michael, which can be heard in the link.

It's interesting, if anything, that he said this. Another person, who Michael seemed to be comfortable with on a friendship level that says Michael didn't always sound like himself when singing at times. I really don't get how people who have never had a conversation with him, or spent a night with him or anything immediately write off the possibility of Michael singing in a more relaxed, nonchalant way.

I don't know, just food for thought.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I noticed this post in the album thread, in no way am I trying to claim this poster's view towards these songs, I quoted it solely for Nordahl and this excerpt from his interview regarding his relationship with Michael, which can be heard in the link.

It's interesting, if anything, that he said this. Another person, who Michael seemed to be comfortable with on a friendship level that says Michael didn't always sound like himself when singing at times. I really don't get how people who have never had a conversation with him, or spent a night with him or anything immediately write off the possibility of Michael singing in a more relaxed, nonchalant way.

I don't know, just food for thought.

I already answered that. Watch "Michael Jackson Unauthorized" from the 80s and you'll understand what his friend painter was talking about. In that interview Michael was doing exactly the same what the painter said. He would spontaneously sing, being at ease, being impressed by the nature and all that surrouned it him. It was magical and triggered joy and happiness in Michael, so he would sing. While he doesn't sound Michael in studio, he still sounds Michael, see it, listen to it and you'll conclude that the voice has nothing to do with the Cascio tracks.

 

[Tony R]

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I already answered that. Watch "Michael Jackson Unauthorized" from the 80s and you'll understand what his friend painter was talking about. In that interview Michael was doing exactly the same what the painter said. He would spontaneously sing, being at ease, being impressed by the nature and all that surrouned it him. It was magical and triggered joy and happiness in Michael, so he would sing. While he doesn't sound Michael in studio, he still sounds Michael, see it, listen to it and you'll conclude that the voice has nothing to do with the Cascio tracks.

Like the Smile snippet it LWMJ or Speechless in TII. Still Mike, just not....Mike On Fire.

 

[samhabib]

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Annie, I've forgotten what your actual take on the Cascio songs is, now. Can you clarify where you stand on the debate for us. Do you believe the songs are legitimate? And, if so, on what basis?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Annie, I've forgotten what your actual take on the Cascio songs is, now. Can you clarify where you stand on the debate for us. Do you believe the songs are legitimate? And, if so, on what basis?

I suppose because the Cascio told so.