Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Kapital77]

Well it's hard to be diplomatic about it as a board since the staff clearly stands behind Sony ad the casicos. I completey agree with Love Is Magical, there's an obvious double standard in regards to the filtering of negativity. It's a challenge to the staff to recogniZe this comment and perhaps develop a call to action. I know we all love Michael and that's why we're here however, this board along with many others, are owned by someone and thy person dictates their stance and we are stuck with it. I love this board but I do recognize it's challenges. It's one of the most highly monitored boards but it's hard to monitor in a diPlomatic way because every staff member inflicts their rule by going by their belief, which may or may not be in the jacksons best interest. It was eye opening reading ivy's stance on the matter and the justifications for the family abuse so I'll probably just keep my mouth shut from this poit because the board has shown that it clearly has an opinion on the matter and will censor it accordingly. I think questioning the vocals is quite valid. In terms of attaking the family, iv always hated how some fans take this stance like their feelings ad opinions are mOre paramount than the families, that's not our place, our place is michaels music. His family is his family. Think about your family and how your family may be judged by an international audience.

100% with you.

Hope Stacey tell us her opinion about this matter. Maybe she thinks it´s not MJ.

Why the other mods that don´t thinks it´s Michael tell us their opinion?.

 

[fzsky]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Sorry to interrupt, but can I talk about other leaked Casio tracks such as All I Need and Carry On/Stay here?
Because IMO they are way worse than KYHU, BN and Monster.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Sorry to interrupt, but can I talk about other leaked Casio tracks such as All I Need and Carry On/Stay here?
Because IMO they are way worse than KYHU, BN and Monster.

KYHU and All I Need still keep me wondering. I'm confused. I hear Michael in them.

Stay is the poorest attempt among the Cascio tracks.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

KYHU and All I Need still keep me wondering. I'm confused. I hear Michael in them.

Stay is the poorest attempt among the Cascio tracks.

Yeah, me too on KYHU (I haven't listened to the other tracks not on the album). If I hadn't read anything on here, I'd think it was Mike.

I'd also think R Kelly wrote it.

BN I knew from the first syllable, & Monster as soon as the 'Too bad....' line kicked in but not with KYHU.

Oh my God, am I a doubter or a believer? I don't know what to label myself....

HELP ME PEOPLE??????

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

KYHU and All I Need still keep me wondering. I'm confused. I hear Michael in them.

Really? KYHU is the most blatant to me.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

KYHU is the worst for me, too...Oh gawd, is it ever! lol.....First time I heard it, as was with BN and Monster, All I Need and Stay, this was my reaction:

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The fact that some of you think SOME Cascio tracks are fake, but OTHERS are real, shows how subjective and ultimately psychological the whole thing might be. Because, rationally, either ALL of the Cascio tracks are real, or ALL of them are fake. They wouldn't have faked only some of them.

So basically, if you're convinced it's MJ on All I Need, then it's also him on Monster and Breaking News, no matter what your impression might be.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The fact that some of you think SOME Cascio tracks are fake, but OTHERS are real, shows how subjective and ultimately psychological the whole thing might be. Because, rationally, either ALL of the Cascio tracks are real, or ALL of them are fake. They wouldn't have faked only some of them.

So basically, if you're convinced it's MJ on All I Need, then it's also him on Monster and Breaking News, no matter what your impression might be.

Not really, I like some tracks on Invincible; I don't like others. That doesn't mean the whole album is bad.

I like bananas, I don't like mango; doesn't mean I hate all fruit.

P.S. I do like mango when it's in smoothie form.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The fact that some of you think SOME Cascio tracks are fake, but OTHERS are real, shows how subjective and ultimately psychological the whole thing might be. Because, rationally, either ALL of the Cascio tracks are real, or ALL of them are fake. They wouldn't have faked only some of them.

So basically, if you're convinced it's MJ on All I Need, then it's also him on Monster and Breaking News, no matter what your impression might be.

Nice try, but love is magical, at no stage, said that she was 'convinced'. At all.

They're all 100% fake, in my opinion. As fake as Teddy Riley's beard.

 

[samhabib]

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P.S. I do like mango when it's in smoothie form.

Glad we cleared that up I would've been on the phone to the 'fruit forensics' otherwise...

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Glad we cleared that up I would've been on the phone to the 'fruit forensics' otherwise...

Is that where they catch Smoothie Criminals?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Is that where they catch Smoothie Criminals?

"Apples and oranges
With a mango...
You can mix them
With avocado..."

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yeah, me too on KYHU (I haven't listened to the other tracks not on the album). If I hadn't read anything on here, I'd think it was Mike.

I'd also think R Kelly wrote it.

BN I knew from the first syllable, & Monster as soon as the 'Too bad....' line kicked in but not with KYHU.

Oh my God, am I a doubter or a believer? I don't know what to label myself....

HELP ME PEOPLE??????

Lol... :hysterical:

We are all helpless here unfortunately.

We share the same opinion on Breaking News. It just doesn't feel right. Really, it's like those pictures posted by Bumper. It looks like him, but not him.

I don't need to wait for that "too bad..." line kicked in to know something is off in Monster. To me, I always feel the richness and husk in Michael's voice are totally absence even in the first verse.

Stay is blatantly off. The moment the first syllable kicked in, I'm turned off.

Really? KYHU is the most blatant to me.

I believe the problems you have with the song are the vibratos and lousy lyrics.

I'm with you on both. The vibratos are nothing like Michael's. The lyrics are inconsistent. Looking for a job, working two jobs, from a woman's struggle to a love song to a environmental consciousness... It's all over the place.

However, I hear Michael in the chorus and the bridge. :scratch:

 

[donalb]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The vocals on Stay/Carry On are a hot mess.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

"Apples and oranges
With a mango...
You can mix them
With avocado..."

If Cascio's produced Smooth Criminal....

Or, 'mama say, banana got you in a blender'.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If Cascio's produced Smooth Criminal....

Or, 'mama say, banana got you in a blender'.

You will never, EVER, be able to top "And they eat your soul like a vegetable". One of the most amazing rhymes since Chris De Burgh rhymed "dance" with "romance".

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The fact that some of you think SOME Cascio tracks are fake, but OTHERS are real, shows how subjective and ultimately psychological the whole thing might be. Because, rationally, either ALL of the Cascio tracks are real, or ALL of them are fake. They wouldn't have faked only some of them.

So basically, if you're convinced it's MJ on All I Need, then it's also him on Monster and Breaking News, no matter what your impression might be.

Nice try, but love is magical, at no stage, said that she was 'convinced'. At all.

They're all 100% fake, in my opinion. As fake as Teddy Riley's beard.

Sam, thanks for the clarification. I never ever said I'm convinced KYHU is 100% authentic. What I said is I believe I hear Michael in part of the song. Some parts of the song, to me, sound off.

 

[Pentum]

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But if two or three of the songs aren't MJ, why would the rest be MJ? Doesn't make sense. All the cascio songs are fake.

 

[samhabib]

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But if two or three of the songs aren't MJ, why would the rest be MJ? Doesn't make sense. All the cascio songs are fake.

I completely agree.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Not really, I like some tracks on Invincible; I don't like others. That doesn't mean the whole album is bad.

I like bananas, I don't like mango; doesn't mean I hate all fruit.

P.S. I do like mango when it's in smoothie form.

Glad we cleared that up I would've been on the phone to the 'fruit forensics' otherwise...

Is that where they catch Smoothie Criminals?

"Apples and oranges
With a mango...
You can mix them
With avocado..."

If Cascio's produced Smooth Criminal....

Or, 'mama say, banana got you in a blender'.

Hilarious! You guys are funny... :hysterical:

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I completely agree.

Yeah, I mean, they are all from the same recordin session. Same house, same guys around,

Breaking News
Monster
Keep Your Head Up
Stay
All I Need
Burn Tonight
Water
*And a few more*

All "Cascio tracks". If someone thinks Stay is MJ but not KYHU and Monster is MJ but not BN, I can't really take you seriously.. They all have the same voice and it's the same person singing.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yeah, I mean, they are all from the same recordin session. Same house, same guys around,

Breaking News
Monster
Keep Your Head Up
Stay
All I Need
Burn Tonight
Water
*And a few more*

All "Cascio tracks". If someone thinks Stay is MJ but not KYHU and Monster is MJ but not BN, I can't really take you seriously.. They all have the same voice and it's the same person singing.

But can't each one have different degrees of Michael?

For example, I don't hear any MJ in BN.

I hear MJ on the first verse of Monster.

I hear a lot of MJ in KYHU.

So isn't it possible that the Cascios had more recording of MJ for each track therefore they needed padding out to different degrees. Hence, why I & LIM hear different variations.

It doesn't have to be black or white. And it doesn't matter if it is anyway.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Then we're back to square one - it's what we hear. You think it's MJ in the first vers of Monster but not the second?

To me they are identical. If it was true that the first verse was MJ and the second an imitator, I'd find the imitator and become fan of him because he had an exact same voice as the King of music.

I EDITED.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Then we're back to square one - it's what we hear.

Don't disagree with you there. And in the absence of any proof that's why we're going around in circles.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

But can't each one have different degrees of Michael?

For example, I don't hear any MJ in BN.

I hear MJ on the first verse of Monster.

I hear a lot of MJ in KYHU.

So isn't it possible that the Cascios had more recording of MJ for each track therefore they needed padding out to different degrees. Hence, why I & LIM hear different variations.

It doesn't have to be black or white. And it doesn't matter if it is anyway.

I just think the WHOLE THING is fraudulent. Hence the Cascios registered the tracks after the man died lest he'd sue their sorry asses.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Blue Gangster and Slave to the Rhythm was on Michael, instead of KYHU, Monster and Breaking News, we would be in a much better shape!

Still a 10-track album, but the quality of the album would be in a much higher level.

Instead of launching the ablum with HMH, release STTR as the lead-single. BAM! The world will be set on fire again...

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Blue Gangster and Slave to the Rhythm was on Michael, instead of KYHU, Monster and Breaking News, we would be in a much better shape!

Still a 10-track album, but the quality of the album would be in a much higher level.

Instead of launching the ablum with HMH, release STTR as the lead-single. BAM! The world will be set on fire again...

Indeedio.

Although I think STTR is the weakest out of the 3 (!).

 

[Arklove]

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STTR is amazing even just for his VOCALS....totally out of this world...It's a shame this song may never see the light of day for the mainstream public.

Actually, ALL three of the leaked songs have absolute stellar, stand out vocals...COMPLETE contrast to the vocals on the Cascio tracks...It's like someone deliberately leaked these to show this contrast lol

 

[donalb]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The people who gave the green light to the final product should really have their heads examined...or worse. Oh, what could have been

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

At one point, these leaked songs were being considered to be put onto MICHAEL, right? That's why they are leaked.

Why they favor the Cascio tracks? Becasue they want to save the genuine one for the next project? :doh:

By then, these tracks will end up like HMH... The excitement will be gone by the time these tracks are officially released.