Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)
got your point and you actually answered your own question by saying "past questionable behavior".
It's not like people one day woke up and said "okay from now on I'll be negative about the Jackson's". There has been several past behavior that brought people to this point.
I'll go with 3T as they are the most relevant Jackson's to this topic at hand. They are generally loved members of Jackson family however they raised eyebrows not only due to their opinions about the album controversy but ignoring the rest of the stuff (such as Discovery documentary etc) and supporting some stuff (Oprah interview - taj) while claiming to be defenders of Michael's legacy and fighters for their uncle.
What happens with the Jackson's is as these type of events pile on and on , after a point you can't even give them the benefit of the doubt anymore.
I mentioned this before : Joe / Oxman claimed the ambulance photo of Michael being photoshopped and that they will seek legal action - nothing happened and in the recent prelim testimony we had paramedics testifying the authenticity of the photo, Joe claimed TII to have MJ imposters - turned out to be not true, Joe/Randy claimed the will to be fake and promised that they'll do everything in their power against it - yet they didn't even mention it in the lawsuit Joe has. I'm not going to apologize for asking for a backing action if they cry the vocals are fake. It's simply because of their past actions.
Same (past questionable behavior) cannot be said for Cascio's and the negativity is based on an alleged but not proven behavior.
Hmm... I don't think you completely got my point. And, I didn't ask any question. I was stating my observation - that double standard is apparent.
I actually am fully aware of all the facts regarding the questionable behavior of several individual members from the Jackson family. I don't agree with them and I personally find them to be quite embarassing.
I'll try my best to explain my view now. Calling people names and insulting people are never justifiable, but understandable. I understand why people are so negative towards the family; but still, the family's behavior does not give us reason to be mean. It's not right for us to say because the Jacksons are ridiculous, so we can call them every possible names. So, name-calling is never right, but understandable.
Likewise, is it right for us to call the Cascio names? Of course not. But, is it understandable? For me, the answer is yes. To many of us, Michael's music is sacred. His back catalog is near perfect. His music is not something that can be played with. As a matter of fact, Michael's music is the only aspect of his life which nobody can attack. People try everything to undermine his brilliance; but, his musical achievement is undeniable. Could you understand the gutted feeling and confusion so many of us feel when we hear Breaking News? No matter how you put it, Eddie Cascio is the main player behind the song. Many dobuts are not resolved.
People who are negative towards the Jacksons have their reasons. Are their negativeness understandable? Certainly yes, but still not justifiable. People who are negative towards the Cascios have thier reasons. Are their negativenss understandable? Yes, but not justifiable. So, why only one group is being labelled haters?
The posts in certain threads in the 2300 Jackson Street section are much much worse than posts in the controversy threads. The posts are rude and insulting; yet, they are not removed and those threads are not cleaned. If the language on those posts are to be used towards the Cascios, the posts would be removed for sure.
It irks you when you see the Cascios are being insulted. It irks me when I see the Jacksons are being insulted. Like it or not, Michael's last name is still Jackson. He's born into that family. He's still a Jackson on his last day with us. He never completely disconnected from his family. Most importantly, his children are now living with the very family many here hate with passion.
The doubters are being criticized as being unconstructive for carrying on all these controversial talks. Likewise, how constructive the anti-Jackson talks are?
The above is what leads me to believe double-standard is obvious.
You know my opinion about it - I think it's possible that those vocals can be the vocals that he sang in a "I don't really care as this is just a guide demo" mode without giving his all in a low quality home setting that has been processed throughly. Therefore it's not possible to provide any similar vocals as we don't have similar examples.
Yes I realize we have seen arguments against this for example the voice call recording included in the album - yes it's a low quality setting but it's not processed and as Michael wanted to get his idea across to someone else it's quite possible that he cared about it and gave it his all.
I think I posted it as well. at least my point wasn't to say "look it exactly sounds like vocals on Cascio's" but to say "look it's possible that he can sound different".
Sigh... no matter what truly happened. The Cascios tracks are fucked up.
Say, your scenario is completely true.
1. Michael sang in a "I don't really care as this is just a guide demo" mode
2. Poor studio equipment
3. Eddie Cacsio sold the songs with a promotion and appearance clause
4. Somehow and some where the songs got "modified" and "edited" by Sony
5. The over-processing erased the characteristic of Michael's voice
6. Eddie Cascio is completely powerless
At the end of the day, these low quality "guide demos" found their ways to be officially released on a Michael Jackson album as finished songs, while great songs like DYKWYCA and STTR are unofficially leaked.
Many of us felt the album is doing Michael a disservice and are very frustrated about the situation.
Like kopwatcher said, a great opportunity and the potential for something great are wasted. To make matter worse, such controversy casts shadow in all future releases.
