Michael - The Great Album Debate

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I'm seriously considering adding "Streetwalker" to the list of songs that I'll rehearse to determine my set-list, it's just so catchy!

BTW, a meeting between my Head of Year and the organizer of the Leavers' Celebration will determine my tribute concert's fate! I am about to write a letter to help my case.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Great Jesta! :)

Streetwalker is plain COOL...I love the lyrics....and that 'driving bass' as he describes...
 
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Plus, when it hopefully gets off the ground and I start rehearsals, I'll keep you guys posted on my progress, most likely showing snippets of my rehearsals and the elimination process of the songs to determine my set-list.

I agree, "Streetwalker" is just infectious, especially the hook and the chorus!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm seriously considering adding "Streetwalker" to the list of songs that I'll rehearse to determine my set-list, it's just so catchy!

BTW, a meeting between my Head of Year and the organizer of the Leavers' Celebration will determine my tribute concert's fate! I am about to write a letter to help my case.

Plus, when it hopefully gets off the ground and I start rehearsals, I'll keep you guys posted on my progress, most likely showing snippets of my rehearsals and the elimination process of the songs to determine my set-list.

I agree, "Streetwalker" is just infectious, especially the hook and the chorus!

Good luck! Keep us posted. Can't wait to see the snippets. :punk:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

One more thing to add - why is it that OLD Michael Jackson vocals have been edited into the Cascio songs on the album but NO old Michael Jackson vocals have been edited into the other, legitimate songs on the album (other than the live 'how you doin'?' live sample?)??? Now why would Sony do that on the three questionable tracks but not on the seven legitimate tracks???
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Because the Cascio songs were never completely finished. Ad-libs were missing, backup vocals, harmonies, music, etc.

The other songs are complete. Hold My Hand is complete, Hollywood Tonight sounds chopped up and incomplete, but mostly there. The Cascio tracks seem like they're mostly there, but needed a lot of touching and reworking. The Way You Love Me, Another Day, Behind The Mask, and Best Of Joy(which seems to have some added vocals) are all complete and practically ready for release.

Plus, it's not like there are tons of old vocals added to the Cascio tracks. 90% of the songs are new vocals.
 
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Liberian Girl written while playing pinball :wub:

I guess one reason I love Michael so much is becasue of his utmost kindness. Just take a look to way he carried himself, he's always kind and gentle. He seldoms lost his patience.

Take a look to the way he answered people's questions. He did try to make it easy. He did want to explain his thoughts to people. He never ever pretended he's above all others. He's probably the most down-to-earth individual one can ever meet. A genius he was; yet, he never showed attitude. I've worked with some very smart people in my profession. The smartest are almost always the most difficult to deal with. The smartest are @$$holes most of the time.

Michael was a great vocalist, but there are many great vocalists. Michael was a great songwriter, but there are many great songwriters. Michael was a great dancer, but there are many great dancers.

On top of being a great vocalist, songwriter, dancer, choreographer, director, performer, he's a great father and a great human being.

Oh... I love him... just love him..
 
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Because the Cascio songs were never completely finished. Ad-libs were missing, backup vocals, harmonies, music, etc.

The other songs are complete. Hold My Hand is complete, Hollywood Tonight sounds chopped up and incomplete, but mostly there. The Cascio tracks seem like they're mostly there, but needed a lot of touching and reworking. The Way You Love Me, Another Day, Behind The Mask, and Best Of Joy(which seems to have some added vocals) are all complete and practically ready for release.

Plus, it's not like there are tons of old vocals added to the Cascio tracks. 90% of the songs are new vocals.

The only 'completely finished' song on there is Much Too Soon.

Hold My Hand is nowhere near complete. Hollywood Tonight has a repeating verse. A COMPLETE verse that repeats, that's how unfinished it is.

Behind The Mask is unfinished - even with mumbling unintelligible lyrics. I Like The Way You Love Me is unfinished.

The Cascio songs are much more 'finished' than those songs, the vocalist has even recorded adlibs. So why have they added a whole load of adlibs onto those songs and not the others??? Please explain.
 
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The only 'completely finished' song on there is Much Too Soon.

Hold My Hand is nowhere near complete. Hollywood Tonight has a repeating verse. A COMPLETE verse that repeats, that's how unfinished it is.

Behind The Mask is unfinished - even with mumbling unintelligible lyrics. I Like The Way You Love Me is unfinished.

The Cascio songs are much more 'finished' than those songs, the vocalist has even recorded adlibs. So why have they added a whole load of adlibs onto those songs and not the others??? Please explain.

What Sam pointed out has always been my doubt. The Cascio tracks miraculously sound more complete than many tracks on the album.

HT is so obviously incomplete. Michael recorded only two verses and one chorus. There was no bridge. The whole verse one is repeated.

I can hear the rawness in songs like TWYLM and Best of Joy.

To me, one reason why Breaking News is so unpleasant to listen to is the blatant copy and paste job.
 
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I guess one reason I love Michael so much is becasue of his utmost kindness. Just take a look to way he carried himself, he's always kind and gentle. He seldoms lost his patience.

Take a look to the way he answered people's questions. He did try to make it easy. He did want to explain his thoughts to people. He never ever pretended he's above all others. He's probably the most down-to-earth individual one can ever meet. A genius he was; yet, he never showed attitude. I've worked with some very smart people in my profession. The smartest are almost always the most difficult to deal with. The smartest are @$$holes most of the time.

Michael was a great vocalist, but there are many great vocalists. Michael was a great songwriter, but there are many great songwriters. Michael was a great dancer, but there are many great dancers.

On top of being a great vocalist, songwriter, dancer, choreographer, director, performer, he's a great father and a great human being.

Oh... I love him... just love him..

Speaking of humble, I love it when he mentions Thriller '...This is a very famous song....'....Like anyone wouldn't know that! lol

The only 'completely finished' song on there is Much Too Soon.

Hold My Hand is nowhere near complete. Hollywood Tonight has a repeating verse. A COMPLETE verse that repeats, that's how unfinished it is.

Behind The Mask is unfinished - even with mumbling unintelligible lyrics. I Like The Way You Love Me is unfinished.

The Cascio songs are much more 'finished' than those songs, the vocalist has even recorded adlibs. So why have they added a whole load of adlibs onto those songs and not the others??? Please explain.

Also, didn't Teddy mention he only received vocals from the Cascios? I remember hearing Michael mention that lyrics always come last....

And, I agree...the Cascio songs sound the most finished on the album, peppered with TONS of previously recorded ad libs...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I finished my letter, along with notes about the show! Anyone wanna read them?
 
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I'm listening to the "Dangerous Deposition"... I've really gotta download this! It's so fascinating!

It is awesome. Also if you haven't found it yet you should try and find MJ's Mexico Deposition where on that he talks about composing The Girl Is Mine.

Because the media was so caught up about crap like plastic sugery, oxygen chambers and false allegations, these deposition videos are the closest we're all ever gonna get to having an interview about Michael's creative process.

It just bugs me. Some people in the media had to the chance to ask Michael some really interesting questions about his creativity but instead they choose to ask stupid questions like ''Are you a virgin?'' WHO THE HELL CARES!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yes, the Mexico Deposition is fascinating (although painful sometimes) to watch.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

How about changing the title of this thread into "Chaotic and random -yet interesting- discussion"? :)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I absolutely love his demo version of The Girl Is Mine...Love the beatboxing of the original idea he had...
 
OK folks, here is the letter for the meeting tomorrow!

Outline/notes for the Michael Jackson “Behind the Mask” Tribute Concert

• Ideally 20-30 minutes, room for 5-6 songs at least.
• “Behind the Mask” = songs that truly reflect what Michael was about, ones that carry his message, his soul.
• Rehearsals start in February, lengthy consideration list, condensing songs down by rehearsing and seeing which songs feel right.
• Some songs i.e. “Billie Jean” could have live instrumentation but with pre-recorded voice? Give more dancing freedom.
• For songs without choreography, create steps which feel like what MJ would do, base off of other choreographed numbers.
• When possible, use live versions of songs as opposed to studio versions.
• Use DS2/DS3 for initial rehearsals, break/lunch time. One month until event, start using Main Hall, with lighting and full rehearsals.
• Have camcorders around Main Hall to professionally record it. Use own camcorder for rehearsals.
• Have to feel MJ in the song to fully dance to it, reasoning behind whole concert concept.
• If right, create mash-up of 2-3 songs of they carry similar theme or feel right i.e. “Ghosts” & “Threatened”, “Smooth Criminal” & “Dangerous”, “Steeetwalker” & “The Way You Make Me Feel”.

Songs for consideration (From MJJC, myself and from people at school):

- "They Don't Care About Us" ("This Is It" version with "Drill")
- "Dangerous" (Live version)
- "Threatened"
- "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Live version)
- "Man in the Mirror"
- "We Are to Heal the World" ("We Are the World/Heal the World" mash-up)(Or one of two)
- "HIStory"
- "Jam" (Live "Dangerous World Tour" version)
- "Jackson 5 Medley"
- "Billie Jean" (Live "Dangerous World Tour" version)
- "Smooth Criminal" ("This Is It" version)
- “Streetwalker”
- “The Way You Make Me Feel” (Slow intro)
- “Scream” (Live “HIStory World Tour” version)
- “Ghosts”
- “Who Is It”
- “Blood on the Dance Floor” (Live version)
- “2 Bad”
- “Thriller”
- “Behind the Mask”
- “Monkey Business”
- “Beat It”
- “Slave To the Rhythm”
- “Hollywood Tonight”

To Whom It May Concern:

For the purposes of the meeting, please find attached my notes on the Michael Jackson “Behind the Mask” tribute concert. It also has a “rehearsal list” of songs that I will rehearse one or two times to get a feel of the song and see if I wish to perform it more. This list will be sure to grow more as the beginning of February approaches, as I will always have more ideas of songs to perform.

Throughout the next couple of months, I will record myself rehearsing these songs and the decisions I make on them as video evidence that I have been rehearsing. These recordings can be seen by the people involved in the planning of the Leavers’ Celebration for purposes of monitoring my progress at request, however I must ask for discretion about this project. Should this project be given the green light, I must ask if I can have recording equipment ready for the main event for a professionally recorded performance, as a memento of the event.

I am the only person actively involved in the project, i.e. dancing on stage; any other people assisting me will purely be during the rehearsal period and behind the scenes personnel. Closer to the event, I must also request that I talk to people that can operate the lighting in the Main Hall for the event. All music shall be provided by myself, from official CDs to audio from live performances, or “live studio songs” which means live audio that has any crowd noises removed. I will not attempt to sing at all during the songs, unless the singing in question is ad-libs in the final chorus.

If you have any further questions, please find me or send a message to my form tutor Mr. #######, who will relay it to me.

Yours sincerely,


### #####
 
Jesta;3210577 said:
OK folks, here is the letter for the meeting tomorrow!

Outline/notes for the Michael Jackson “Behind the Mask” Tribute Concert

• Ideally 20-30 minutes, room for 5-6 songs at least.
• “Behind the Mask” = songs that truly reflect what Michael was about, ones that carry his message, his soul.
• Rehearsals start in February, lengthy consideration list, condensing songs down by rehearsing and seeing which songs feel right.
• Some songs i.e. “Billie Jean” could have live instrumentation but with pre-recorded voice? Give more dancing freedom.
• For songs without choreography, create steps which feel like what MJ would do, base off of other choreographed numbers.
• When possible, use live versions of songs as opposed to studio versions.
• Use DS2/DS3 for initial rehearsals, break/lunch time. One month until event, start using Main Hall, with lighting and full rehearsals.
• Have camcorders around Main Hall to professionally record it. Use own camcorder for rehearsals.
• Have to feel MJ in the song to fully dance to it, reasoning behind whole concert concept.
• If right, create mash-up of 2-3 songs of they carry similar theme or feel right i.e. “Ghosts” & “Threatened”, “Smooth Criminal” & “Dangerous”, “Steeetwalker” & “The Way You Make Me Feel”.

Songs for consideration (From MJJC, myself and from people at school):

- "They Don't Care About Us" ("This Is It" version with "Drill")
- "Dangerous" (Live version)
- "Threatened"
- "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Live version)
- "Man in the Mirror"
- "We Are to Heal the World" ("We Are the World/Heal the World" mash-up)(Or one of two)
- "HIStory"
- "Jam" (Live "Dangerous World Tour" version)
- "Jackson 5 Medley"
- "Billie Jean" (Live "Dangerous World Tour" version)
- "Smooth Criminal" ("This Is It" version)
- “Streetwalker”
- “The Way You Make Me Feel” (Slow intro)
- “Scream” (Live “HIStory World Tour” version)
- “Ghosts”
- “Who Is It”
- “Blood on the Dance Floor” (Live version)
- “2 Bad”
- “Thriller”
- “Behind the Mask”
- “Monkey Business”
- “Beat It”
- “Slave To the Rhythm”
- “Hollywood Tonight”

To Whom It May Concern:

For the purposes of the meeting, please find attached my notes on the Michael Jackson “Behind the Mask” tribute concert. It also has a “rehearsal list” of songs that I will rehearse one or two times to get a feel of the song and see if I wish to perform it more. This list will be sure to grow more as the beginning of February approaches, as I will always have more ideas of songs to perform.

Throughout the next couple of months, I will record myself rehearsing these songs and the decisions I make on them as video evidence that I have been rehearsing. These recordings can be seen by the people involved in the planning of the Leavers’ Celebration for purposes of monitoring my progress at request, however I must ask for discretion about this project. Should this project be given the green light, I must ask if I can have recording equipment ready for the main event for a professionally recorded performance, as a memento of the event.

I am the only person actively involved in the project, i.e. dancing on stage; any other people assisting me will purely be during the rehearsal period and behind the scenes personnel. Closer to the event, I must also request that I talk to people that can operate the lighting in the Main Hall for the event. All music shall be provided by myself, from official CDs to audio from live performances, or “live studio songs” which means live audio that has any crowd noises removed. I will not attempt to sing at all during the songs, unless the singing in question is ad-libs in the final chorus.

If you have any further questions, please find me or send a message to my form tutor Mr. #######, who will relay it to me.

Yours sincerely,


### #####

There is no reason not to have green light, however you should not give impression that your show will be the only show. Make it as short as possible, but make it as perfect as possible. It will be easier to focus if you make it shorter.

Maybe the public will eventually love your short performance and ask for more, and there you need to be prepaired for that more. Surprise the public. Have something in reserve, just in ecase.

I suggest you to watch these, it is short but the public was instantly conquered. And by the way, I would encourage you to put in some personal touch. Feel free. Be creative! Use your imagination at best.

Here are some good performances, really worthy to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJg7MiDV29w&feature=fvst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJfVqpXZueI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNCtLUodXI&feature=related

Excellent and original dance moves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP7xx2YaNWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtwVfJqBfms




But DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THE FOLLOWING (lol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNatqCzF_Ns
 
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Thanks for the feedback, Bumper! I will definitely add my own personal touch to my favourites, like "Ghosts" and "Smooth Criminal", and I probably will make a note saying to cut the songs down to 3-4. When I hand the letter to my Head of Year, I will not give any inclination that this is the last show I want to do, nor make the set-list obvious when it would end. There is another opportunity later in the year during an Awards Evening where I can put on another show. If they want an encore for the current project, I think I could muster a couple of songs that would require spontaneous dancing, like "Slave To the Rhythm".

BTW, that Malaysian Idol video is now the background to my nightmares... And the soundtrack for the next couple of weeks. :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Thanks for the feedback, Bumper! I will definitely add my own personal touch to my favourites, like "Ghosts" and "Smooth Criminal", and I probably will make a note saying to cut the songs down to 3-4. When I hand the letter to my Head of Year, I will not give any inclination that this is the last show I want to do, nor make the set-list obvious when it would end. There is another opportunity later in the year during an Awards Evening where I can put on another show. If they want an encore for the current project, I think I could muster a couple of songs that would require spontaneous dancing, like "Slave To the Rhythm".

BTW, that Malaysian Idol video is now the background to my nightmares... And the soundtrack for the next couple of weeks. :D


Honestly, I would cut it down to only one performance. i would try to do my best and concentrate fully on one hellova performance, rather than 3-4 songs. It's too long and you will need to captivate the public 3 or 4 times 4 to five minutes, which means minimum 12 minutes of entertainment, which is not easy in terms of originality and not simply copying the moves from another dancer.

I am not discouraging you, but rather am trying to give you some guidance as far as priorities and wow effect are concerned.

To sum up, I would do one hellova performance, 1000% of myself to give wow effect to the public, then I would leave the stage. I would leave, to make the public simmer. You know, to leave them hungry. Make them want some more. Make them call you back.

And at the end of show I would reappear with another song and coregraphy even more wowblasting! Just to make them remember.

If you do 3-4 songs in a row, there is a risk of wow effect in the beginning and fade effect from the middle till the end. Think of it. Watch what Suliman did on Britain got talent. It was short, refreshing, unexpected, catchy, and the public wanted more. Do something like that, but with your personal touch.

You know creativity is better than imitation. Remember what Michael said, learn from the best, analyse, dissecate, and use the best you can. Michael learned from the best and none of his creations were actually without inspiration. For example take a look at this video and you'll see where Smooth Criminal comes from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVLOT5vos4


p.s. During your performance, give some space to the theater, you know act, play a role, don't just dance. It could be even more captivating, just like MJ's videos.

Record everything and post it here on MJJC ;-)

p.p.s. Do bear in mind that your public are not necessarily MJ's fans, so better give them hunger for more than feed them up with it. ;-)
 
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Bumper, that's a great find....I prefer this one, though :cheeky:


I know, I prefer the one that you posted too. But they blocked it here in Belgium and cannot see it any more. (blocked by SONY)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

None of that sentence is true. During it's release MOST fans and non-fans remarked how Michael hadn't moved on in terms of musical direction and creativity. Down to the adlibs and the hee-hees and the owwwws.



It absolutely isn't lacking on the Invincible album. Classic Michael adlibs like 'Dog gone', 'Heee heee heeee', hand clapping, still exist. There's absolutely NOTHING of the sort on the Cascio songs. Other than the stuff that they've sampled in from other actual Michael Jackson songs in an effort to trick consumers into thinking that they're listening to Michael Jackson.

It is true, Invincible DID receive criticism for lacking "trademark ad-libs". You may not want to believe it, but that was the case, it was still talked about almost a year ago in some of the Invincible/poll threads on this forum. There isn't ANY "hee-hee's" on Invincible, go back and listen to the album, because I've been listening all day, it's not there. The lack of ad-libs were questioned, such questioning by fans, were even used by the biased media to say Michael had lost his touch, because those ad-libs weren't included. Closest you get to a "Dog gone baby" is a "Go on" at the the end of Unbreakable, the "dog gone's" you hear in Heartbreaker, and "ain't nobody baby" in the same song, and the one that pops up during Privacy. There isn't any "Sha'mone's", again another one of his trademark ad-libs that are lacking from the Invincible album. Should I use that as an argument as to why the songs may not be him? I don't believe so.


As far as Teddy saying he received the songs in a vocals only format, that's something questionable from Teddy that doesn't benefit any side. Because during the Oprah interview Eddie is shown playing the instrumental of Monster on a keyboard.


Hold My Hand was completed, it was a completed song when it initially leaked, just not to Michael's standards. Only thing that went into the album version was a bit more production, and a few more ad-libs. I Like The Way You Love Me, was also a completed demo, and again, the only thing that went into it was production and the vocals toward the end that Michael went and re-did himself. Another Day was also completed, the initial leak had a repeating verse, the inclusion of another in the album version implies the initial leak wasn't done in full. The only incomplete songs on the album would be Behind The Mask, and we don't know how complete or incomplete it may have been in it's initial form since it had never been heard before, and Hollywood Tonight.


Anywho, back to the regular discussion.
 
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Bumper, Arklove, thank you so much for posting the Fred Astaire comparison. Fascinating... absolutely fascinating to watch. Love it!

Michael was inspired by Fred Astaire. It's apparent where the concept of Smooth Criminal came from. But, he truly made it his own. He studied from the best, made improvement and gave his touch of creativity. What a great artist he was!

Bumper, some great advices you gave to Jesta!

Jesta, wow factor is indeed important. You want to captivate your audience and not feed them up. Leave them wanting more from you. That's what Michael did so well. He gave his all and left the audience wanting more.

During your rehearsal, see which routine speaks to you the most. See which one you feel the most and go from there. Work hard, give your all and have fun! Again, keep us posted! :better:
 
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Annie, doesn't Michael say 'hee-hee' on the title track, Invincible? I know it's not much, but he does at the end. That came to mind right away, but I'm not sure of any others right now, haven't listened to the album today. But I know what you mean, they are practically absent on the album!
 
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Annie, doesn't Michael say 'hee-hee' on the title track, Invincible? I know it's not much, but he does at the end. That came to mind right away, but I'm not sure of any others right now, haven't listened to the album today. But I know what you mean, they are practically absent on the album!

You're right, he says it one time between his trademark "yeaaa's" and "well".
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I love how simple that song feels, yet he makes it so powerful. I love the beat and I love how long it goes so we can get really into it. :D Great song.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It is true, Invincible DID receive criticism for lacking "trademark ad-libs". You may not want to believe it, but that was the case, it was still talked about almost a year ago in some of the Invincible/poll threads on this forum. There isn't ANY "hee-hee's" on Invincible, go back and listen to the album, because I've been listening all day, it's not there. The lack of ad-libs were questioned, such questioning by fans, were even used by the biased media to say Michael had lost his touch, because those ad-libs weren't included. *Closest you get to a "Dog gone baby" is a "Go on" at the the end of Unbreakable, the "dog gone's" you hear in Heartbreaker, and "ain't nobody baby" in the same song, and the one that pops up during Privacy. There isn't any "Sha'mone's", again another one of his trademark ad-libs that are lacking from the Invincible album. Should I use that as an argument as to why the songs may not be him? I don't believe so.


As far as Teddy saying he received the songs in a vocals only format, that's something questionable from Teddy that doesn't benefit any *side. Because during the Oprah interview Eddie is shown playing the instrumental of Monster on a keyboard.*


Hold My Hand was completed, it was a completed song when it initially leaked, just not to Michael's standards. Only thing that went into the album version was a bit more production, and a few more ad-libs. I Like The Way You Love Me, was also a completed demo, and again, the only thing that went into it was production and the vocals toward the end that Michael went and re-did himself. Another Day was also completed, the initial leak had a repeating verse, the inclusion of another in the album version implies the initial leak wasn't done in full. The only incomplete songs on the album would be Behind The Mask, and we don't know how complete or incomplete it may have been in it's initial form since it had never been heard before, and Hollywood Tonight. *


Anywho, back to the regular discussion.

Shamone isn't Michael's only trademark. And there's 'hee hees' in Invincible. Off the top of my head there are also some in 'Privacy'.*

Eddie played the 'instrumental' on Oprah? Well he had over a year to learn it, I guess. What kind of proof of authenticity is that? It's about as much proof as showing a picture of a pillow on the floor and saying 'look... that proves Michael recorded these songs'?!?

So 'Hold My Hand' was complete but was 'completed' after his death? How does that make sense? Simple, it doesn't.

"I Like The Way You Love Me, was also a completed demo"??? That's a complete contradiction in terms. A 'completed demo'? A demo is NEVER a completed song, by definition.

Add those to Behind The Mask and Hollywood Tonight and that makes 4 incomplete songs. Add 3 contentious songs and you have 7 songs (by your admission) that are incomplete.*
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

There are tons of mj trademarks on the Invincible album... "Yeeeee-eee", "COME ON NOWW!", "dah ah dah", "baaaabeeeh", random ad libs, etc. Why even bring this up, the album has no questionable vocals.
 
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