Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@ivy, so if cartman removes eddie's face from his video and re-upload, there should be no basis for copyright violation, right?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Ivy, this song has been dedicated to you by the King :D

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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

What happened all of sudden? Everyone's flirting on pm?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Isn't it defamation case when you upload a JM's song on youtube and you label it as MJ? Why no one takes them down in a heartbeat just like the Cascio songs are?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

...... and Eddie Cascio is fiercely protecting not-so-flattering images and photos of his???
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

To me what's interesting is that people are forgetting that these videos aim to make fun of these people, even hurt their reputations, it includes allegations against them and honestly why are you surprised that they take action - whatever they can do however they can do- to remove these negative videos? Isn't that an expected behavior?

I personally found "Reddy Teddy" to be fairly harmless. Overdubbing bad audio onto a video to make the person appear to perform badly is something that's ALL over the internet. They're calling the videos "shreds", here's one for Kings of Leon:


It's got over 800,000 views and it's not being taken down for copyright or defamation or anything. It doesn't hurt reputations as when you listen, you hear it's all a joke. (Although, there's always someone that doesn't get the joke...) The same with "Reddy Teddy".

And if Jab Me Music is pissed off about a picture of Eddie showing up for 2 seconds in what is obviously intended as a comedy video, I'd find that quite ridiculous. The video only in a way implied that Jason and Eddie worked together. Their faces just popped up from behind a console... Would that be considered defamation in court? We get a pretty good idea of what it probably implies, but to someone completely oblivious to the situation, they would not know what it means. It could be interpreted in many ways at the end of the day... Them, popping up from behind a console, together. They could be lovers! :wub:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I personally found "Reddy Teddy" to be fairly harmless. Overdubbing bad audio onto a video to make the person appear to perform badly is something that's ALL over the internet.

Is that all you saw in that video? How about all the talk about "screw up"? You take a professional producer and make a video saying that he screws up records and you don't see the "malicious falsehood" in that? (and I never mentioned the audio in any of my posts)

Malicious falsehood: Intentionally false statement made to cause damage to another. In contrast to defamation, malicious falsehood is confined to damage to a person's business reputation. Also called injurious falsehood or trade libel.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^ He screws up records? Well, that is true :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Teddy and Eddie: Welcome to the internet world! Yes, the internet is brutal. Suck it up!
 
ivy;3372947 said:
what makes you think that "jab me music" is porte only and do not include Eddie?

angelikson can be his production company and jab me music could be his publishing company. Remember Mijac versus MJJ Productions?

Look to the album credits songs are publishing by Mijac and Jab me? So Michael's estate and James Porte is releasing them and not Cascio's? In my opinion it's more likely that Jab me is the publishing company that consists of both Cascio and Porte

edited to add

Credits for Keep your head up

Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music

Produced by C “Tricky” Stewart for Red Zone Entertainment, Inc., Angelikson, Michael Jackson for MJJ Productions, Inc.

see different companies - one for production and one for publishing - for Michael. It's obvious the same thing is happening for Cascio with Angelikson (production) and Jab Me Music (publishing)


ok, ivy, after all of this back-and-forth, does it even MATTER why the video was taken down? whether for copyright or defamation, the point is that it shows a connection between jabme (porte) and the cascios/jason malachi/teddy. nothing else really matters. the connection ALONE is suspicious, in and of itself. I mean, even if it IS because jab me is also eddie's production company, that's an even bigger cascio/porte connection. which is shady.

Cartman;3372788 said:
Myself and birchey are doing this for Michael... and we will not stop. Michael would not want this...and since noone else seems to be doing anything about it... we are doing what we know. Comedy... truth and persistence will eventually overrun these bunch of bastards.

i respect this SO much. i'm not going to stop either. we can't let this pass. much thanks to everyone doing their best to expose this fraud.

ENOUGH with the excuses, seriously.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

K snippet is sent :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

just heard it. all i wanna say is that SB is BS.

the snippet is getting more and more terrible.

this cascio nightmare continues... unless all the cascio tracks are leaked, i still worry one of these BS tracks will show up on the next album.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I was like..."WTF is this??' There are genuine MJ songs just waiting to be heard and we have to listen to this?? This is just beyond ridiculous.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

ok, ivy, after all of this back-and-forth, does it even MATTER why the video was taken down?

There was a mistaken assumption that as it was copyright claim it had to be about the music. I factually presented that copyright is much more than the music and it could solely be based on the video and even the pictures used in it.

the point is that it shows a connection between jabme (porte) and the cascios/jason malachi/teddy.

wasn't that already obvious as Jab me music was listed in the credits? Everyone knew that it was related to Cascio and/or Porte. any connection to jason or teddy is just speculation. (and fyi - it's possible to give authorization to someone to protect your copyrights even though they are not the copyright owner. for example in the Estate - Mann lawsuit you can see Sony authorizing MJ Estate to make/ pursue copyright claims on "Destiny / Opus None". so for example Teddy could have given them authorization about anything related to him)

I mean, even if it IS because jab me is also eddie's production company, that's an even bigger cascio/porte connection. which is shady.

how so? I don't know if you know or not Cascio and Porte had been doing music together for some time at least since 2003 (Luther Vandross song "Think About You" 2003 released has both Cascio - engineer and Porte - lyrics) . How is working together is shady?

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Edit here's an 2003 article from Eddie's school newspaper

Eddie Cascio: producer/student

By Patrick McCluskey

Published: Friday, October 3, 2003


Head of a company receiving royalties on his own songs and soon to be out of college, Eddie Cascio (C'04) has a world of opportunity ahead of him. Only two years after starting Angelikson Music, Cascio was working with high profile celebrities such as Luther Vandross, *NSYNC and Usher.

However, like many, Cascio began in music by taking piano lessons which his parents signed him up for. Cascio found a love of writing music while still in high school.

Through a family friend with connections in the business, Cascio began writing for Sony/ATV Music publishers in New York. Sony/ATV writers have ranged from Joni Mitchell to Destiny's Child. (ivy's note: 3 guesses of who this family friend that got him a job in Sony/ ATV is? )

However, after about one year, Cascio decided that working for himself would be a better solution. "If you want to make it in this industry, you have to own what you do," says Casio. He went on to explain how "owning my own company makes me want to write more."

Using his newly formed music industry contacts, Cascio created Angelikson Music, founded under the studio name Angel. Today, Cascio's business has really taken off to new heights. Cascio worked on *NSYNC's song, "Fallin'" and music for Vandross' "Think About You." Cascio recently worked on songs for Usher's upcoming album, scheduled for release in early November. He also is excited to be producing some new up-and-coming artists, such as Bobby Ewing (ivy's note: aka James Porte). After finishing a copy of the album, Cascio hopes that a record deal will be in the future for Ewing, with Cascio himself as producer.

Balancing both college and his music career has been tough, yet both have been very important to Cascio. After graduation, he plans to continue with the musical track, however he says his sociology degree from Drew will still be of great help. "I have a better understanding of people," explains Cascio. "I use what I learn at Drew as a basic knowledge on which to build, as well as it helping me with my creativity in writing."

Casio is thrilled to be in the business of his dreams, explaining, "I'm very grateful for all the opportunities I've had in my life so far."

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anyone ever thought about "Angelikson" name? What kind of connection do you see from it?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

first of all let's check use of a name and copyright.

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as you can see it's not a copyright issue so copyright infringement cannot be reported.

Your only alternative is defamation and legally pursue it. How would uploading mamacita as Michael Jackson song equals to defamation? Isn't it simply misinformation at best?

Well for Michael it is. It hurts his reputation. But nobody seems to care.

"Reddy Teddy" could then also be seen as misinformation.

To me what's interesting is that people are forgetting that these videos aim to make fun of these people, even hurt their reputations, it includes allegations against them and honestly why are you surprised that they take action - whatever they can do however they can do- to remove these negative videos? Isn't that an expected behavior?

How about these?:

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etc, etc.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper

how is his reputation hurt? and a not so good parody isn't enough - where's the allegations about Michael or any malicious act?

think like this - assume I upload a video of myself dancing terribly to a Michael song while butchering the song singing it off key. So is it defamation of Michael/ hurt his reputation or does it show how talentless I am? Would it have a malicious intent or would be a fan that loves Michael but cannot sing and dance?

All the above videos could be terrible but I fail to see any allegations or malice against Michael.

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edited to add

if you believe above videos have content that is disrespectful you can suggest them for the below action plan. We have an ongoing "youtube clean up" program that we tag the videos "inappropriate" so that youtube can take them down due to content.

thread here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...uTube-video-clean-up...NOW-Monthly-Initiative
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper

how is his reputation hurt? and a not so good parody isn't enough - where's the allegations about Michael or any malicious act?

think like this - assume I upload a video of myself dancing terribly to a Michael song while butchering the song singing it off key. So is it defamation of Michael/ hurt his reputation or does it show how talentless I am? Would it have a malicious intent or would be a fan that loves Michael but cannot sing and dance?

All the above videos could be terrible but I fail to see any allegations or malice against Michael.


First video: MUSIC copyright infringement!

Second video: VIDEO copyright infringement!

Third video: MJ supposed to be worse and scarier as himself than as the werewolf --- not hurting his reputation???????

Fourth video: MJ surrounded with teddy bears ---- not insinuating? Falling ear and stapled back!!! ------ not hurting someone's image or reputation???

Ivy you find it logical for the removing of Cascio pic and Teddy video, but not for MJ's mockery and attack on his person? Just wow.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So as a test just remove Eddie and reupload and see what happens.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

First video: MUSIC copyright infringement!

Second video: VIDEO copyright infringement!

Third video: MJ supposed to be worse and scarier as himself than as the werewolf --- not hurting his reputation???????

Fourth video: MJ surrounded with teddy bears ---- not insinuating? Falling ear and stapled back!!! ------ not hurting someone's image or reputation???

Ivy you find it logical for the removing of Cascio pic and Teddy video, but not for MJ's mockery and attack on his person? Just wow.

fyi - andy warhol had been sued for copyright infringement due to his paintings but the outcome of the lawsuit has showed that his paintings had enough new artistic creation that it wasn't infringing copyright.

I believe all the above videos would fall under that category as well and wouldn't classify for "copyright infringement".

(for number 4 I would remind you of Eminem's video. ) (and furthermore sadly you can't defame a dead person. and legally a dead person cannot have a reputation. so a defamation / reputation claim for Michael is not possible)

Furthermore as I said for youtube to take an action first of all there has to be an initial complaint. So Sony isn't worried about fan made videos but Cascio / Porte is reporting any videos that has allegations against them. You have 2 different parties here, what they find logical and how serious they are about removing videos can differ. You are comparing apples to oranges. So what if Sony or MJ Estate isn't going after every single video that has a reference to Michael in it? Obviously Cascio and Porte is adamant about filing complaints anything that includes them.

(ps: it's not my logic. It's what's possible/ not possible according to law and how different people can act under same circumstances)

I'll post this here as well..

edited to add

if you believe above videos have content that is disrespectful you can suggest them for the below action plan. We have an ongoing "youtube clean up" program that we tag the videos "inappropriate" so that youtube can take them down due to content.

thread here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...uTube-video-clean-up...NOW-Monthly-Initiative
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

fyi - andy warhol had been sued for copyright infringement due to his paintings but the outcome of the lawsuit has showed that his paintings had enough new artistic creation that it wasn't infringing copyright.

I believe all the above videos would fall under that category as well and wouldn't classify for "copyright infringement".

(for number 4 I would remind you of Eminem's video. ) (and furthermore sadly you can't defame a dead person. and legally a dead person cannot have a reputation. so a defamation / reputation claim for Michael is not possible)

Furthermore as I said for youtube to take an action first of all there has to be a complaint. So Sony isn't worried about fan made videos but Cascio / Porte is reporting any videos that has allegations against them. You have 2 different parties here, what they find logical and how serious they are about removing videos can differ. You are comparing apples to oranges. So what if Sony or MJ Estate isn't going after every single video that has a reference to Michael in it? Obviously Cascio and Porte is adamant about filing complaints anything that includes them.

(ps: it's not my logic. It's what's possible with law and how different people can act under same circumstances)

I'll post this here as well..

edited to add

if you believe above videos have content that is disrespectful you can suggest them for the below action plan. We have an ongoing "youtube clean up" program that we tag the videos "inappropriate" so that youtube can take them down due to content.

thread here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...uTube-video-clean-up...NOW-Monthly-Initiative

You take an MJ song --HEARTBREAKER instrumental-- you sing in another language over it and it doesn't fall under COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT????

Litterally millions of people know the song, but I doubt that they know it is Michael's!

Here another video with copyright infringement --TDCAU-- sang in another language with nearly a million views!

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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So as a test just remove Eddie and reupload and see what happens.

could get automatically deleted. Youtube has a video / audio content id program (that only requires a 30 second match). if it's included in the reference system for automatic detection, the minute they scan and find a match they could automatically delete the video.

Most logical thing to do would be appeal the deletion.
 
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