Michael - The Great Album Debate

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I am pretty sure it's not Michael on most of the vocals on the Cascio songs we've heard so far, minus the copy-and-pastes. I think the comparisons make it pretty obvious who the singer likely is! but I'm just going by my gut instinct and what I hear... I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out..

It's such a horrific disrespect to Michael and his fans that this is going on.

I know that.Even though...I just hope the tracks are real.

Can't wait to sort out this whole situation.
 
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What do you think of the comparisons though? There are moments where it's just absolutely shocking. And then you listen to the songs and they do sound like Malachi doing a Michael Jackson impersonation with some song written to sound like a Michael Jackson song.

In my opinion these songs could have been written by Porte and Cascio, giving them a higher quality than normal Malachi work, then had Porte and Malachi sing it and copy and paste some MJ vocals and you've got a brand new "Michael Jackson" song.

I would love love love love love to be proven wrong on this theory though!
 
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What do you think of the comparisons though? There are moments where it's just absolutely shocking. And then you listen to the songs and they do sound like Malachi doing a Michael Jackson impersonation with some song written to sound like a Michael Jackson song.

In my opinion these songs could have been written by Porte and Cascio, giving them a higher quality than normal Malachi work, then had Porte and Malachi sing it and copy and paste some MJ vocals and you've got a brand new "Michael Jackson" song.

I would love love love love love to be proven wrong on this theory though!

Well the main thing that it's similiar to 'Michael' and Malachi in this comparisons is the vibrato.Theoretically they said that they screwed up/stretched the vocals so this vibrato appeared/was added.

What it's really strange is that even the samples from the other songs had that weird vibrato added and people (including me) didn't even realize who was really singing there.As you can see in one of my lasts posts here, I was making fun of the last snippet of Soldier Boy saying that the snippet is fake as hell/weak/weird and things like that.After I said that I listened to the snippet again with headphones (as it was 12-1 AM here and my mother was sleeping) and noticed that before the 'weird' 'Hee-Hee-Hee' there was an 'Ah!' before and after it.It seemed familiar and I thought it was similar to something.I started to search through the acapellas I had and noticed that it was the SAME 'Hee-Hee-Hee' from 'They Don't Care About Us'.

Even though it was the same, I wasn't able to notice it because of the weird vibration added to the vocals.This tracks might come up to be real, in the end, and I might get back on my Cascio-defender/believer position.Just waiting fore another leak to make my final decision.
 
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Well the main thing that it's similiar to 'Michael' and Malachi in this comparisons is the vibrato.Theoretically they said that they screwed up/stretched the vocals so this vibrato appeared/was added.

What it's really strange is that even the samples from the other songs had that weird vibrato added and people (including me) didn't even realize who was really singing there.As you can see in one of my lasts posts here, I was making fun of the last snippet of Soldier Boy saying that the snippet is fake as hell/weak/weird and things like that.After I said that I listened to the snippet again with headphones (as it was 12-1 AM here and my mother was sleeping) and noticed that before the 'weird' 'Hee-Hee-Hee' there was an 'Ah!' before and after it.It seemed familiar and I thought it was similar to something.I started to search through the acapellas I had and noticed that it was the SAME 'Hee-Hee-Hee' from 'They Don't Care About Us'.

Even though it was the same, I wasn't able to notice it because of the weird vibration added to the vocals.This tracks might come up to be real, in the end, and I might get back on my Cascio-defender/believer position.Just waiting fore another leak to make my final decision.

That's basically what happened for me. This whole thing is far too confusing and I just jumped the gun and judged the song from a 10 second snippet. I really need to listen to the full song before I make an informed opinion.
 
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Can someone send me a PM with the song Soldier Boy? I don't think I've heard it yet? Is there only a 10sec version of the song an not the whole song available? Either way I would like a listen! thx
 
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As you can see in one of my lasts posts here, I was making fun of the last snippet of Soldier Boy saying that the snippet is fake as hell/weak/weird and things like that.After I said that I listened to the snippet again with headphones (as it was 12-1 AM here and my mother was sleeping) and noticed that before the 'weird' 'Hee-Hee-Hee' there was an 'Ah!' before and after it.It seemed familiar and I thought it was similar to something.I started to search through the acapellas I had and noticed that it was the SAME 'Hee-Hee-Hee' from 'They Don't Care About Us'.

The "ah" is from TDCAU, yeah. You can hear it here: http://soundcloud.com/tpimaster/tdcau

The "hee hee hee" isn't from TDCAU. You talk about vibrato in your post. Listen to the last "hee" with headphones again. It's vibrato central, baby! :shutup:

Someone claimed in PM that both "Baby, baby" and "Hee hee hee" were also from previous Michael songs. I personally think it's Jason doing both, but if anyone finds where they're sampled from I'll admit I'm wrong. However, "Hee hee hee" is definitely not from TDCAU. I have listened to the a cappella myself and it's not any of the "Hee hee hee"s.
 
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I wish this controversy would just go away...
 
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Well the main thing that it's similiar to 'Michael' and Malachi in this comparisons is the vibrato.Theoretically they said that they screwed up/stretched the vocals so this vibrato appeared/was added.

What it's really strange is that even the samples from the other songs had that weird vibrato added and people (including me) didn't even realize who was really singing there.As you can see in one of my lasts posts here, I was making fun of the last snippet of Soldier Boy saying that the snippet is fake as hell/weak/weird and things like that.After I said that I listened to the snippet again with headphones (as it was 12-1 AM here and my mother was sleeping) and noticed that before the 'weird' 'Hee-Hee-Hee' there was an 'Ah!' before and after it.It seemed familiar and I thought it was similar to something.I started to search through the acapellas I had and noticed that it was the SAME 'Hee-Hee-Hee' from 'They Don't Care About Us'.

Even though it was the same, I wasn't able to notice it because of the weird vibration added to the vocals.This tracks might come up to be real, in the end, and I might get back on my Cascio-defender/believer position.Just waiting fore another leak to make my final decision.
Those would technically still be considered 'copy-and-pastes' and the majority of the vocals with the vibrato would still be faked.

And no it's not just the vibrato, it's the way the songs are sung and performed and the vibrato and the yelling and everything screams Malachi instead of Michael, in my opinion. Then I go and listen to Slave To The Rhythm or Best Of Joy or Behind The Mask and I'm blown away.

I think one of the best parts of the comparisons are not the vibrato parts but just the little identical quirks between Malachi tracks and the Cascio tracks, like You keep on breaking the news! compared to Tell it like it is! Don't you be ashamed!

And also the 'gulp' noises and the yelping.

It sounds nearly identical, the scream has that less powerful, less raspy, less throaty sound to it. It has a very weak sound, and it's the same on the Malachi track.

Now I understand, when I'm listening to a random Cascio track at work or when I'm out and about or whatever, when it's not side-by-side to a Jason Malachi track in a comparison video I might hear Michael more, too, with all the copy-and-pastes, breathing pasting, MJ-style production, etc.

But when I listen to the comparison videos I can't deny it.
 
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I think one of the best parts of the comparisons are not the vibrato parts but just the little identical quirks between Malachi tracks and the Cascio tracks, like You keep on breaking the news! compared to Tell it like it is! Don't you be ashamed!

And also the 'gulp' noises and the yelping.

It sounds nearly identical, the scream has that less powerful, less raspy, less throaty sound to it. It has a very weak sound, and it's the same on the Malachi track.

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These are things I've told you 20 times before, I compared BN rough vocals to a lot of Jason's stuff including Tell It Like It is, but you couldn't see it. Now you completely do and it's so weird reading it! :D In a good way of course.
 
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These are things I've told you 20 times before, I compared BN rough vocals to a lot of Jason's stuff including Tell It Like It is, but you couldn't see it. Now you completely do and it's so weird reading it! :D In a good way of course.
Oh, trust me, when you were all telling me that I was totally confused, I think I was mostly in denial, trying to justify the tracks and hoping that something this tragic and disrespectful wouldn't happen to MJ.(HAHAHA yeah right!!!) I'll admit, I even find the songs kind of catchy so I did want to believe they are real.

My girlfriend, who only listens to MJ because of me, also doesn't think Michael sings on these tracks and she has basically always told me she thinks it's Jason and I would tell her, I don't know...

My mother also thinks Jason is on these tracks.
 
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Agreed with you Aniram. It's not just the vibrato. It's really everything about the songs that doesn't sit well with me. I just played my MJ A Capella Playlist (not really a capella, but more like stripped down version of MJ songs). I'm amazed by Michael's vocals. Even without any instrumentations, just his naked voice can blow people away. The tone of his voice. The clarity, the power, the skill. When I hear Jam a capella, I can hear all the finger snaps, the claps and the foot stomps. It's amazing to hear how Michael kept the ryhthm. But, the Cascio tracks, again, are soul-less. When Birchey mentioned that the typical habits of Michael are absent from the Cascio vocal tapes, it does raise a big red flag.
 
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I know, I've said it before that I could just listen to the acapellas, it'd be just as good. His voice is like a complete song in itself.
 
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so on my to-do list:

1. email to dangerous book in the uk
2. send a complaint letter to sony to ask for refund
3. flag disgusting youtube videos

why so many people want to hurt michael? it cuts like a knife. why people cannot see the beauty in him? why? o why?

1. please do so.It looks like we have some success, the press release has been pulled :) see the power of complaint?
2. I still recommend evaluating the BBB alternative as well.
3. I would suggest contacting justice project to add any other videos that you found disturbing and then be a part in the monthly flagging weekend. It showed that when large number of people flag them in a short period of time the videos are more likely to be removed than few reports over a long period.
 
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Ivy, I'm confused. I thought Deborah asked us to stop emailing the distributor of the DL book. So, email or no email?
 
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I know, I've said it before that I could just listen to the acapellas, it'd be just as good. His voice is like a complete song in itself.

Exactly... the RTT acapellas is simply awesome!
 
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Ivy, I'm confused. I thought Deborah asked us to stop emailing the distributor of the DL book. So, email or no email?

I don't think we are emailing any more but watching closely at it seems like self publishing is an option (the book can be bought from his website). So I think wide distribution is stopped as well as the press release. It might not get rid of the book totally but it's still a victory.
 
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Teddy is back at the mixing board, this time without Eddie Cascio though. So nothing for Jab Me Music to claim copyright to. ;)
 
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:lol:

Mamashiittaaaaa!
 
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I seriously can't stop watching the Breaking News one...:lmao:
 
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I seriously can't stop watching the Breaking News one...:lmao:


it's really hilarious... the animation is excellent! :lmao:


OT: I'm so seriously addicted to Michael. I took a break from him today and listened to Geroge Michael - another singer I love growing up. I can only sit through two songs, Father Figure and Freedom. As nice as Geroge's voice, his voice does not captivate me like Michael's voice.

*switching my playlist back to Michael now*
 
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I almost ONLY listen to Michael's music ^^
 
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I almost ONLY listen to Michael's music ^^

As do I. I'd say about 95% of my MP3 player is Michael. The other 5% is the work of a video game parody singer.
 
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^^Good to know I'm not alone. It's not that I limit myself to only Michael. But, when I take a break form him and listen to others, I don't find the same pleasure... And, it doesn't help that the music from the radio thesedays is crappy.
 
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^^Good to know I'm not alone. It's not that I limit myself to only Michael. But, when I take a break form him and listen to others, I don't find the same pleasure... And, it doesn't help that the music from the radio thesedays is crappy.

Try soulless. The music these days have been autotuned to death to make everyone's songs perfect to the point where it's hard to distinguish anyone's music. The industry desperately needs innovation.
 
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^^Good to know I'm not alone. It's not that I limit myself to only Michael. But, when I take a break form him and listen to others, I don't find the same pleasure... And, it doesn't help that the music from the radio thesedays is crappy.

This is exactly how my situation is. If I try listening to other artists which I like, I end up clicking an MJ song after a few songs. He's just that good. I even tried to have MJ days off where I didn't listen to Michael. I can only do it for like 1 day.
 
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Try soulless. The music these days have been autotuned to death to make everyone's songs perfect to the point where it's hard to distinguish anyone's music. The industry desperately needs innovation.

yeah... no artist is distinctive now. When I listen to WATW with my eyes closed, I can "instinctually" indentify who's who... Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder, Bruce Springsteen, Diana Ross, etc... Now, I don't know if I can tell Chris Brown's music from Usher's...
 
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This is exactly how my situation is. If I try listening to other artists which I like, I end up clicking an MJ song after a few songs. He's just that good. I even tried to have MJ days off where I didn't listen to Michael. I can only do it for like 1 day.

I'm the same... I don't remember a day that I don't listen to at least one MJ song.

When I take a break from Michael and listen to other albums, I further realize how great Michael's albums are. When I listen to the greatest hits of other artists, I find myself skipping songs a lot. I just can't go through the entire album.

But, every song on every one of Michael's albums is enjoyable. Yes, he's really that good.
 
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Enough with the 'instinctually'!!! :lmao:

Yeah, I've been taking a break from Michael lately...I've been listening to more 80s/90s stuff lately...I usually don't last that long without listening to Michael, though....I do like other artists, but a lot do lack the magic that Michael's music has...:D
 
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I went the entire June of last year until the 25th not listening to Michael. Longest month of my life!
 
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