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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Can't compete with the drawings. But here are the tickets. Unfortunately the Bad tour program got lost along the way.

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samhabib said:
That's some SERIOUS love right there :)
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Indeed man, I just fully understand you, TONY R, Arklove, Love is magical, etc.

But it is true that we are privileged to have seen him in person and during the 80s!

In those times singers actually sang! Do you remember Terence Trent d'Arby and "Sign your name" or Phil Collins "I wish it would rain down on me" or George Michael with his awesome album "Faith", those were the kicking times man!
 
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Tony R said:
Can't compete with the drawings. But here are the tickets. Unfortunately the Bad tour program got lost along the way.

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I got the same DANGEROUS one! But the HISTORY was sold out, so I don't have it :no:
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Indeed man, I just fully understand you, TONY R, Arklove, Love is magical, etc.

But it is true that we are privileged to have seen him in person and during the 80s!

In those times singers actually sang! Do you remember Terence Trent d'Arby and "Sign your name" or Phil Collins "I wish it would rain down on me" or George Michael with his awesome album "Faith", those were the kicking times man!
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Two of my fave albums mentioned there, TTD's Introducing The Hardline & George Michael's Faith.

We really had megastars then, Not to mention Madonna.

What the funk happened?
 
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Tony R said:
Can't compete with the drawings. But here are the tickets. Unfortunately the Bad tour program got lost along the way.

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We must have been at some of the same gigs. Were you at Wembley on the Saturday for HIStory?

Here's my Bad programme... what a beauty...

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Tony R said:
Two of my fave albums mentioned there, TTD's Introducing The Hardline & George Michael's Faith.

We really had megastars then, Not to mention Madonna.

What the funk happened?
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Oh TTD... just incredible. Even his new stuff is incredible. George Michael is an absolute hero. Saw him perform the first ever show at the new Wembley Stadium. Absolutely incredible artist. Also saw him come on stage at the O2 to duet with Beyonce.

What happened? People with suits took over the industry and, in Prince's words, sold "electro-magnetic pop... steady your teeth are gnashin'!"

That's why Michael's legacy needs to be preserved. He ain't Justin Bieber. He's Mozart.
 
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Tony R said:
Two of my fave albums mentioned there, TTD's Introducing The Hardline & George Michael's Faith.

We really had megastars then, Not to mention Madonna.

What the funk happened?
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Madonna's awesome TRUE BLUE album!!!! Yes, indeed!

What happened?! Well some DJs started messing with some sound and created techno. When "Pump up the jam" started the music was flushed down. Today the youth's favorite sport is sleeping instead of creating.

This said I must admit that NE-YO (beautiful monster, one in a million,) and USHER (lil freak, my way,...) are trying to do some good job! They had a great teacher and seem to follow his steps. They actually sing, dance and innovate contrary to many artists today.
 
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samhabib said:
We must have been at some of the same gigs. Were you at Wembley on the Saturday for HIStory?

Here's my Bad programme... what a beauty...

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Yes I was! I missed the train home & had to stay overnight. I queued for hours with my wife to get in & somehow still ended up 3/4 way back. Wasn't happy.

Yes the Bad program was brilliant. I'm gutted I lost mine. Everytime I go back to my parent's house I look for it, to no avail.

I've still for the 10 foot poster I ripped down on the way back from the Dangerous concert though. Then I won a radio competition when I got home & won a T shirt, Dangerous pin badge & Dangerous mask!
 
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samhabib said:
Oh TTD... just incredible. Even his new stuff is incredible. George Michael is an absolute hero. Saw him perform the first ever show at the new Wembley Stadium. Absolutely incredible artist. Also saw him come on stage at the O2 to duet with Beyonce.

What happened? People with suits took over the industry and, in Prince's words, sold "electro-magnetic pop... steady your teeth are gnashin'!"

That's why Michael's legacy needs to be preserved. He ain't Justin Bieber. He's Mozart.
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George is my 2nd favourite male artist. His Unplugged show is one of the greatest live shows of all time. Seeing him live on the Live 25 tour was a dream come true.

Didn't know about the Beyonce duet! I'll be YouTubing that one.

Speaking of which I think Beyonce is possibly the only really great act the 2000s has produced. I'm not a huge fan but whenever I catch her live I'm blown away.
 
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Tony R said:
Yes I was! I missed the train home & had to stay overnight. I queued for hours with my wife to get in & somehow still ended up 3/4 way back. Wasn't happy.

Yes the Bad program was brilliant. I'm gutted I lost mine. Everytime I go back to my parent's house I look for it, to no avail.

I've still for the 10 foot poster I ripped down on the way back from the Dangerous concert though. Then I won a radio competition when I got home & won a T shirt, Dangerous pin badge & Dangerous mask!
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Don't even start about the T-shirts! During one of the Dangerous shows that I DIDN'T have tickets for, me and a friend went up to Wembley just to buy the memorabilia so that it wouldn't get bent or twisted if we bought them at the shows. I bought every Dangerous T-Shirt. They still fit, incredibly!

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And I wore this one to work on the day of the memorial. Almost 20 years later, it still fit ;)

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Tony R said:
George is my 2nd favourite male artist. His Unplugged show is one of the greatest live shows of all time. Seeing him live on the Live 25 tour was a dream come true.

Didn't know about the Beyonce duet! I'll be YouTubing that one.

Speaking of which I think Beyonce is possibly the only really great act the 2000s has produced. I'm not a huge fan but whenever I catch her live I'm blown away.
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Oh Beyonce is incredible live. Really incredible. As is Alicia Keys. As is John Legend. The only person I haven't seen that I really want to see is Kanye West. He came on stage at a John Legend concert I went to a couple of years ago to rap on Number One. But I'd love to see him live.

Beyonce... her talent is just incredible. She needs to keep her clothes on (which, coming from me, is an amazing thing to say) and showcase her ability. Because talent-wise she is absolutely incredible. Unfortunately people don't take her ability seriously.
 
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Ace. All the T shirts were always too big for me.

Luckily I laid my hands on this beauty recently:

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Wow! So many t-shirts. That day I didn't have nough money to buy much. I just bought the world tour book.
 
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Tony R said:
Ace. All the T shirts were always too big for me.

Luckily I laid my hands on this beauty recently:

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Beautiful design!

That's before Michael signed the contract with SONY.
 
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samhabib said:
Oh Beyonce is incredible live. Really incredible. As is Alicia Keys. As is John Legend. The only person I haven't seen that I really want to see is Kanye West. He came on stage at a John Legend concert I went to a couple of years ago to rap on Number One. But I'd love to see him live.

Beyonce... her talent is just incredible. She needs to keep her clothes on (which, coming from me, is an amazing thing to say) and showcase her ability. Because talent-wise she is absolutely incredible. Unfortunately people don't take her ability seriously.
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Madonna suffered the same as Beyonce in terms of credibiltiy and the publics problem with a woman seemingly being unable to be sexy, provocative as well as talented.

I was lucky enough to be a metre away from Aicia Keys during an exclusive gig she did a couple of years ago. Brilliant.

I guess there are a few really good artists still going but even then, they don't seem able to produce magical full albums like Mike did.

Listen to OTW -> HIStory, virtually every tracks is amazing. It was only when Invincible came out I realised he was infallible. But that's another story.

How can Dangerous at over 77 minutes long be so perfect. And not just the album, but the videos, the cover, even the booklet is a perfect aesthetic joy.

Who Is It
Give In To Me
Jam
Will You Be There

Perfection. AAAAAARRGGGHHH!!!!!
 
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Tony R said:
Madonna suffered the same as Beyonce in terms of credibiltiy and the publics problem with a woman seemingly being unable to be sexy, provocative as well as talented.

I was lucky enough to be a metre away from Aicia Keys during an exclusive gig she did a couple of years ago. Brilliant.

I guess there are a few really good artists still going but even then, they don't seem able to produce magical full albums like Mike did.

Listen to OTW -> HIStory, virtually every tracks is amazing. It was only when Invincible came out I realised he was infallible. But that's another story.

How can Dangerous at over 77 minutes long be so perfect. And not just the album, but the videos, the cover, even the booklet is a perfect aesthetic joy.

Who Is It
Give In To Me
Jam
Will You Be There

Perfection. AAAAAARRGGGHHH!!!!!
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When you see on This Is It the ending of Thriller with some kicking bass from Threatened you realize how much Invincible was underrated and unexploited.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
When you see on This Is It the ending of Thriller with some kicking bass from Threatened you realize how much Invincible was underrated and unexploited.
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Don't get me wrong, there's some great stuff on Invincible. But as far as perfect MJ albums go, it ain't there.

No-one produces albums like MJ. As much as love Madonna (and I really do), it's rare se makes an album that I can listen to all the way through.

Michael did it 4 or 5 times. And not just able to sit through it but to love every track.
 
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Tony R said:
Madonna suffered the same as Beyonce in terms of credibiltiy and the publics problem with a woman seemingly being unable to be sexy, provocative as well as talented.

I was lucky enough to be a metre away from Aicia Keys during an exclusive gig she did a couple of years ago. Brilliant.

I guess there are a few really good artists still going but even then, they don't seem able to produce magical full albums like Mike did.

Listen to OTW -> HIStory, virtually every tracks is amazing. It was only when Invincible came out I realised he was infallible. But that's another story.

How can Dangerous at over 77 minutes long be so perfect. And not just the album, but the videos, the cover, even the booklet is a perfect aesthetic joy.

Who Is It
Give In To Me
Jam
Will You Be There

Perfection. AAAAAARRGGGHHH!!!!!
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I've never been a huge Madonna fan. Saw her on her Blonde Ambition tour, got right to the front at Wembley Stadium. I think I became a man that day :) hahahaha.

Janet was great live, too.

My thoughts about the Invincible album are that he was in a position where he was desperate to extricate himself from his contract with Sony. And the results of that are clear on the CD. Michael Jackson was an artist. And for an artist to not write the majority of an album speaks volumes. I don't think he cared about the album. Not in the way he cared about the preceding albums. Long story, I won't go into it. But I don't think Michael Jackson really cared too much for the album.

Hi output from 1978-1995 was absolutely flawless. Some of the greatest songs ever recorded in the modern pop-age. From Shake Your Body to They Don't Care About Us. Just an incredible period of great, great music.

That was the worst part of his passing, knowing that there would never be anyone like him ever again. Someone who connects us to Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, Sammy Davis... he was literally anointed by the greatest performers in history. And now we have Justin Bieber.

THAT'S WHY the preservation of his legacy is PARAMOUNT.
 
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samhabib said:
I've never been a huge Madonna fan. Saw her on her Blonde Ambition tour, got right to the front at Wembley Stadium. I think I became a man that day :) hahahaha.

Janet was great live, too.

My thoughts about the Invincible album are that he was in a position where he was desperate to extricate himself from his contract with Sony. And the results of that are clear on the CD. Michael Jackson was an artist. And for an artist to not write the majority of an album speaks volumes. I don't think he cared about the album. Not in the way he cared about the preceding albums. Long story, I won't go into it. But I don't think Michael Jackson really cared too much for the album.

Hi output from 1978-1995 was absolutely flawless. Some of the greatest songs ever recorded in the modern pop-age. From Shake Your Body to They Don't Care About Us. Just an incredible period of great, great music.

That was the worst part of his passing, knowing that there would never be anyone like him ever again. Someone who connects us to Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, Sammy Davis... he was literally anointed by the greatest performers in history. And now we have Justin Bieber.

THAT'S WHY the preservation of his legacy is PARAMOUNT.
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The difference with Mike he did it because he loved and believed what he did. Many artists today do it for money as a sole purpose and they half believe in their art (if we can call it actually art --something like the Cascio tracks).
 
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I think it's incredible how all of the fighting has ended in these threads. :) It's beautiful!!!

I guess we're to a point where we've exhausted points and are just waiting for any sort of smoking gun, or something we can get upset about again?

I don't mind it!

I really wish I could say I attended a Michael Jackson concert. It would be one of the best days of my life next to my wedding, having a child, etc...

I've been watching his concerts since I was a baby, though, so I'm so glad I at least had a glimpse..

It used to make me feel so inspired every day to know that I'm walking on the same planet as someone as amazing as him. He gave me hope, and helped me to believe that there is so much love in the world even while so much evil is going on, and we're not alone! He still makes me feel this way every day, and I feel even stronger, and I want to continue his message with him and his fans.

When he announced This Is It I instantly jumped for joy, but when he announced it was in London I was like, 'Darn, now I have to save up money for a ticket to London, but I'm going!!!' Haha :D Yeah right...

You all are very lucky, very blessed to have those experiences!!!

Love the drawings, also, samhabib, you have amazing talent!!! It makes me want to do some, too, as I've never really drawn like that before, I always do things more abstract and never too serious, but it'd be so fun to draw MJ. :)

Thank you all for the kind words and inspirations! I feel very grateful to be among such great fans.

Even though he's gone, he will live on forever through us and the generations to come. His spirit is always alive and growing bigger!

Have a great day/evening everyone!
 
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MJultimatemusiclegen said:
wow, you saw him at roundhay park! must have been quiet the night, i wasn't born :(
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Yes I did, both on Bad & Dangerous tour. Incredible. Still get thrills thinking about it.
 
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Aaah! You all are proper Michaeling in here all of a sudden. Love it :heart: Such cool stories. I'm so jealous of you Bad tour attenders.

I saw Michael only 2 times live: HIStory tour in Amsterdam and MJ&friends. It was so exciting that I hardly can remember anything from it. I felt he looked at me once, I melted completely. It was like seeing poetry in motion. He was stunning in every sense of the word.
 
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MJultimatemusiclegen said:
aha i was born in 1993, but everytime i walk through the park i look where the stage was and think wow, i wasn't born at the right time :)
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I still think about it every time I go to Roundhay!

All this nostalgia really excites me more than is good for me.

I've been listening to an MJ compilation CD (home made).

TDCAU
Another Part Of Me
Threatened
Give In To Me
P.Y.T.
2 Bad
Who Is It
Man In The Mirror
Earth Song
Smooth Criminal
Off The Wall
Dirty Diana
Jam
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Will You Be There

And they're just the ones I can fit on the CD. It's perfect and it doesn't even include Billie Jean, Beat It, TWYMMF, Little Susie, Stranger In Moscow, Black Or White or Smile.

You could easily name 40 perfect 10/10 Michael Jackson tracks. I can't do that for anyone else.

And that's just the music. Add to that the stunning short films Smooth Criminal, Thriller, Jam (possibly my favourite after SC) etc.

ADD TO THAT the dancing, the live shows, the innovation. My God, what else do you need in a pop star.

Sometimes I think the reason I don't believe in God is because I have Michael Jackson.
 
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Tony R said:
I still think about it every time I go to Roundhay!

All this nostalgia really excites me more than is good for me.

I've been listening to an MJ compilation CD (home made).

TDCAU
Another Part Of Me
Threatened
Give In To Me
P.Y.T.
2 Bad
Who Is It
Man In The Mirror
Earth Song
Smooth Criminal
Off The Wall
Dirty Diana
Jam
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Will You Be There

And they're just the ones I can fit on the CD. It's perfect and it doesn't even include Billie Jean, Beat It, TWYMMF, Little Susie, Stranger In Moscow, Black Or White or Smile.

You could easily name 40 perfect 10/10 Michael Jackson tracks. I can't do that for anyone else.

And that's just the music. Add to that the stunning short films Smooth Criminal, Thriller, Jam (possibly my favourite after SC) etc.

ADD TO THAT the dancing, the live shows, the innovation. My God, what else do you need in a pop star.

Sometimes I think the reason I don't believe in God is because I have Michael Jackson.
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But Michael Jackson always claimed he believed in God and that all he did actually was to collect what was up there already existing and made by God. Michael described himself as a channel and instrument of nature, not as a creator though. :D
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
But Michael Jackson always claimed he believed in God and that all he did actually was to collect what was up there already existing and made by God. Michael described himself as a channel and instrument of nature, not as a creator though. :D
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Well, he was wrong. He wasn't a channel or an instrument. He may have been too modest to say it, but I'm not - he was a fucking genius.
 
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Tony R said:
Well, he was wrong. He wasn't a channel or an instrument. He may have been too modest to say it, but I'm not - he was a fucking genius.
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I seriously think he was touched by grace and he knew it.

p.s. Only few people in history of humanity experienced that touch.
 
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