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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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I think if there's one thing everyone can agree on, it's that this is NOT how an MJ album release should be conducted. Regardless of your opinion on the tracks, no one likes this controversy, and I hope everyone supports the notion of Sony being much more transparent and open with their releases in the future, to stop this from happening again.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well it seems obvious that SONY NEVER made a mistake in the first place. They were taking the temperature, testing us.
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Great. So, they are not the idiots. Actually, I'm being treated like an idiot by them.

Yeah, the fans are the ultimate judges. What a load of bullshits (I can't find a synonym)...
 
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kopwatcher said:
I think if there's one thing everyone can agree on, it's that this is NOT how an MJ album release should be conducted. Regardless of your opinion on the tracks, no one likes this controversy, and I hope everyone supports the notion of Sony being much more transparent and open with their releases in the future, to stop this from happening again.
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You will be surprised. There are people who think the way Sony handled this album is fine, as this is how a posthumous relese is generally produced.
 
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love is magical said:
You will be surprised. There are people who think the way Sony handled this album is fine, as this is how a posthumous relese is generally produced.
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I'd be very interested to see if anyone thinks that this release could not be handled better. Effectively it would mean they don't see the controversy as a bad thing.
 
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pushukrystian said:
Yes, it's true that Sony gave zero evidance to confirm that this is Michael. But I still hear MJ in cascio songs. I have open mind and like audio comparison so when one day I will hear comparison which change my mind, I will feel guilty and I will be in shock. But for now I just still hear Michael Jackson. Maybe not amateur but professional comparison made by audiologist can change my way of thinking.
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We were actually all literally begging for the detailed results by the audiologists and the reasons why they believe it is MJ and how they conducted their analysis. We got nothing but a shy report in which they say they contacted JM to ask him if he was involved in thoser tracks! How naive!
 
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kopwatcher said:
I'd be very interested to see if anyone thinks that this release could not be handled better. Effectively it would mean they don't see the controversy as a bad thing.
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No, they blame us for the controversy.... ummm sorry "conspiracy".
 
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All this time, courts have been run by the notion of evidence, and all they have to do is ask the defendent if they're guilty!
 
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kopwatcher said:
I think if there's one thing everyone can agree on, it's that this is NOT how an MJ album release should be conducted. Regardless of your opinion on the tracks, no one likes this controversy, and I hope everyone supports the notion of Sony being much more transparent and open with their releases in the future, to stop this from happening again.
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love is magical said:
You will be surprised. There are people who think the way Sony handled this album is fine, as this is how a posthumous relese is generally produced.
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are you referring to me? If yes than it shows that what I have said is misunderstood. I said in regards to the production of the songs processing , cut and paste and additional vocal approaches are common. but I never said that "non-transparency" is okay. Similarly I never said that authenticity controversy was acceptable. If you remember my older posts I said if I was running sony and making decisions I could have opted for not including these songs just to avoid controversy and in one of my latest posts I said "God I hope" we won't have the same issues in the future releases.

so in short how a posthumous album is generally done versus how this issue was handled are completely different things.
 
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ivy said:
are you referring to me? If yes than it shows that what I have said is understood. I said in regards to the production of the songs processing , cut and paste and additional vocal approaches are common. but I also said that "non-transparency" is okay. Similarly I said that controversy was acceptable. If you remember my older posts I said if I was running sony and making decisions I could have opted for including these songs to trigger controversy and in one of my latest posts I said "god I hope" we will have the same issues in the future releases.

so in short how a posthumous album is generally done versus how this blessing was handled are completely different joys.
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hmmmm.... I am not convinced
 
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ivy, so you would also want Sony to be more transparent and open in future (even though you're ok with the vocals)? If so, I'm glad we're in agreement.
 
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If we're to truly do something about this, we need to find common ground and work from there.
 
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ivy said:
are you referring to me? If yes than it shows that what I have said is misunderstood. I said in regards to the production of the songs processing , cut and paste and additional vocal approaches are common. but I never said that "non-transparency" is okay. Similarly I never said that authenticity controversy was acceptable. If you remember my older posts I said if I was running sony and making decisions I could have opted for not including these songs just to avoid controversy and in one of my latest posts I said "God I hope" we won't have the same issues in the future releases.

so in short how a posthumous album is generally done versus how this issue was handled are completely different things.
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kopwatcher said:
If we're to truly do something about this, we need to find common ground and work from there.
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I guess we just did. It doesn't matter which side we believe, we all want more transparency, respect and honesty.
 
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That's a step forward. Something's wrong, and I hope we can all agree Sony need to pull their finger out. We might disagree (strongly) about the details, but let's not get bogged down in that. The main thing is that we're on the same page.
 
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Strength in numbers....The more common ground we share (whether believer or non-believer), the more chance we have to be pro-active...I think we can all agree that this controversy has affected us ALL....
 
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Arklove said:
Stairs in letters....The more ground we share, (weather broadcast for tonight: rainy and sunny at the same time), the more change we need to be or not to be...I think, and I am surprised to have the ability to think, that we can all agree and disagree at the same time today and tomorrow. This is controversy for heaven's sake and I am fed up with my life! I am going to jump trhough the window... from the ground floor.
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Interesting
 
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^^ Bumper this isn't the absurd thread! :nono:
 
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Arklove said:
That is the biggest load of bull I've heard...A massive company like Sony accidentally streaming the wrong mix of a brand new Michael Jackson song to premiere? RIIIIIGHT....
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They have people employed working for them, you won't catch a label exec being the one held responsible for the streams, they have technicians just like any other major company. And believe it or not, these people make mistakes.
 
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kopwatcher said:
ivy, so you would also want Sony to be more transparent and open in future (even though you're ok with the vocals)? If so, I'm glad we're in agreement.
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of course. looking from legal perspective I can say "they don't have to" but being a fan I would appreciated more information and more transparency. Don't we all want some sort of closure about this issue? I know that I do.

I remember back the first time this issues started and I though that this controversy was planned to attract attention and somehow someway they'll come up with proof. Remember the times when we heard that the evidence will be shown at Monster video etc. but that never happened. Looking back I think that a lot of things could have been handled different, especially if there is really any evidence (even though not definitive such as hand written lyrics etc) like reported. love is magical knows, we discussed this issue several times before (that possibility of availability of any evidence from Cascio's and if true why not it's being shown).
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
They have people employed working for them, you won't catch a label exec being the one held responsible for the streams, they have technicians just like any other major company. And believe it or not, these people make mistakes.
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Are those people working for SONY amateurs?
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Well seeing as how most labels hire kids straight out of college with limited experience to be agents, studio technicians, etc. It's plausible.
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And put those kids directly to manage the project such as "Michael", one of the biggest selling artists of all time who revolutionized the music industry?
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
And put those kids directly to manage the project such as "Michael", one of the biggest selling artists of all time who revolutionized the music industry?
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When I was a first year audit associate, I was assinged the most basis stuff, like stuffing envelopes, copying and faxing. Whenever I was assigned to do more substantial work, my work is always reviewed by my superiors. I didn't even have the chance to handle a significant account. I didn't even have the chance to talk to my big boss. I, as a matter of fact, and all of my fellow fresh graduates, have to work ourselves up and proove ourselves.

To have a kid handling one of the most important album of the year is like to have a first year having a meeting with the executives of a company. Unbelievable!

Is Sony really that dumb? But, who knows? The mistake they made is indeed stupid. How could they mess up the name of Hollywood Tonight. Did they not hear the album themselves? Isn't the chorus "She's going Hollywood. She's going Hollywood Tonight" repeats like 10 times in the song.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
And put those kids directly to manage the project such as "Michael", one of the biggest selling artists of all time who revolutionized the music industry?
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These excuses are so damn desperate. Unqualified kids uploading Michael Jackson's first posthumous release? Complete and utter desperation
 
love is magical said:
To have a kid handling one of the most important album of the year is like to have a first year having a meeting with the executives of a company. Unbelievable!
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Yeah don't bother entertaining that preposterous thought because it ain't true.
 
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^^ Sam, answer your pm...It is of extreme importance ;)
 
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Sorry have been out and about. Hold on.
 
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I'm telling you from experience, the higher ups, or those "who know what they're doing" don't handle things like internet streams. Sorry, but it's true.
 
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ivy said:
Clarification: I don't have any unreleased songs in my possession and I never claimed such thing. If you remember way back I even told that I don't download or listen to any leaks (I still don't have the previous leaks either). I just said "the water I know" and never answered how I know what I know. and if you are curious I just repeated what I was told by the people who listened to the songs. (if you go to my posts the day Birchey mentions hearing the songs and you'll see that I write I didn't think water song actually existed. in my posts next day after Birchey mentioned the leaks, you'll see that I wrote "Birchey and I talked about this in private". I asked him about water in our private discussion and he told me about the song).that's all.

so I didn't claim having them, I didn't even claim to hearing them. as a result I would really appreciate if you can stop with your baseless claims and do not put words in my mouth.

As far as Birchey if you read his initial posts he's the one that notified the Estate of the leaks. So probably stopping the leaks brought him points. and he's openly against leaking them.
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So just to confirm, then, you denied that the snippet was 'Water' based on a verbal conversation you had? Without hearing the song you were claiming that it wasn't??

Birchey not only notified the Estate about the leaks - top points Birchey! - but also spent copious amount of time telling us about the leaks which he was in possession of. What separates his actions and Kapitals and Pentums??? He had the leaks. He listened to them. He told us all about them. Told us that the rest of the Cascio songs were fraudulent. Why did Sony not act against him but against Kapital and Pentum?
 
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