Michael - The Great Album Debate

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Who was generating those???

anyone can. doesn't tell me who wrote what. cleaned it all. start fresh.

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Ok. Let's talk about the conspiracy.

What did you make of 'Water'?

Snippet 1 = Beautiful, relaxing MJ song.
Snippet 2 = Sounds like some random Nsync boyband song, does not remotely sound like Snippet 1. Garbage

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I actually agree with you that fans are still fans of Michael Jackson no matter what our opinions are on the Cascio tracks. I expressed similar thought in another thread earlier.

However, if you think there is no divide between fans. You are quite wrong. Did you see the "War of Fans" thread in the general session? Even Gaz believes the tension caused by the Cascio tracks are dividing the fan base.

Some of us actually can get past our differences in opionons. Many fans, on the other hand, do not take it as just as personal matter.

Have you noticed some of the more active members stop posting after the release of Michael?

I don't think the negative impact of the Cascio tracks shall be underestimated.




Has any one of the Cascio opposers asked for no more posthumous releases? Has any one of us demanded the Estate to stop putting any new commercial releases?

We just asked for the releases to be handled with more respect and care. Is it really that impossible for the Estate to be more selective in releasing materials? Are the Cascio tracks the only things in the vault? How do we explain BG, STTR and DYKWYCA? You make it sound like the Cascio tracks are the only things left. If this is truly the case, then don't release them. It will be a mistake to release them; unless, controversy and publicity are what the Estate aims at.

I've seen many of you wish that they release no more Cascio tracks commercially. I've seen Birchey say that as far as he knows no more of them will be released commercially anytime soon, and many applauded. The point I was trying to make was, this most likely won't happen again.

As far as that War Of The Fans thread, Korgenex was referring to the same individuals, who take this matter personally and in turn lash out at other fans in a highly disrespectful manner. I know who they are, most "believers" know who they are, and these people represent a small percentage of Michael's fan base that can't remain civilized in regards to this discussion, at least I'd like to think so.

Posters left because some of those same people took the debate out of it's thread and pretty much contaminated the whole board nonsense, which in turn led to others disputing various claims and arguments and tension amongst those who just can't agree to disagree. Were the Cascio tracks the cause of that? Yes, but these people represent a small amount of the community, and most of us can get past the issue and reach a common ground. But as said, there's always those people who rather harbor hatred, and carry out these "debates" with animosity towards other members.

 

[samhabib]

I've seen many of you wish that they release no more Cascio tracks commercially. I've seen Birchey say that as far as he knows no more of them will be released commercially anytime soon, and many applauded. The point I was trying to make was, this most likely won't happen again.

As far as that War Of The Fans thread, Korgenex was referring to the same individuals, who take this matter personally and in turn lash out at other fans in a highly disrespectful manner. I know who they are, most "believers" know who they are, and these people represent a small percentage of Michael's fan base that can't remain civilized in regards to this discussion, at least I'd like to think so.

Posters left because some of those same people took the debate out of it's thread and pretty much contaminated the whole board nonsense, which in turn led to others disputing various claims and arguments and tension amongst those who just can't agree to disagree. Were the Cascio tracks the cause of that? Yes, but these people represent a small amount of the community, and most of us can get past the issue and reach a common ground. But as said, there's always those people who rather harbor hatred, and carry out these "debates" with animosity towards other members.

Says the person who only yesterday deliberately misquoted me and called me a liar and was later proved to be completely dishonest in her own right and didn't have the moral fibre to apologise. Don't even try to take the moral high ground here!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Says the person who only yesterday deliberately misquoted me and called me a liar and was later proved to be completely dishonest in her own right and didn't have the moral fibre to apologise. Don't even try to take the moral high ground here!

What are you referring to? FYI, just because you say so, it doesn't mean I was dishonest. Instead of throwing accusations of someone "deliberately misquoting you", you should go back and read the post, I questioned a response after you had stated earlier, in your own post how you wouldn't consider yourself a fan, if you were to believe Michael was on these songs.

But, I apologize for having this agenda against you to the point where I purposely "misquote and lie" on you.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I'm more intelligent than you ever will be Sameer, so please be quiet. And don't make the mistake of calling anything of mine "idiotic".

So if you quote me in your siggy and make a big LOL out of it, I presume that, as an intelligent person, you will explain some things such as:

-How come almost every audio snippets comparisons made by Pentum and Kapital were taken down, whereas you still can easily find entire unreleased songs such as Xscape on youtube?

-How come they specifically were targeted to be banned and not people providing links to entire songs such as All I need and Stay?

-How come they were banned FOR LIFE upon SONY's request? Why would SONY ask such a thing for a few seconds link and not for entire songs?

-How come some members hack people's e-mails, such as Jason's and post the proof here, and are still here?

I am sure you have an intelligent answer to my questions which won't make anyone LOL as my suggestion made you LOL.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Why must you all talk down to other members and say they 'aren't intelligent'? Is that something Michael would appreciate seeing you write to another of his fans? I mean, you don't have to be nice and polite if you're that pissed off and offended but is it really that difficult?

 

[samhabib]

What are you referring to? FYI, just because you say so, it doesn't mean I was dishonest. Instead of throwing accusations of someone "deliberately misquoting you", you should go back and read the post, I questioned a response after you had stated earlier, in your own post how you wouldn't consider yourself a fan, if you were to believe Michael was on these songs.

But, I apologize for having this agenda against you to the point where I purposely "misquote and lie" on you.

You deliberately misquoted me and called me a liar based on that 'misquote'. And now here you are trying to come over all sweetness and light and tell people how they should and shouldn't be behaving? Like I said earlier, save it. It doesn't suit you.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

What does this have to do with the debate, guys? Maybe you should take your little quarrel to PM and become buddies somehow.

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

that is EXACTLY what happened. sony requested a ban not for sharing links, but for speaking out against the injustice that has been carried out against michael's legacy. it's obvious Sony is watching this thread. well, if they are (this is a note to SONY, not to the MJJC):

i don't care who you silence, i don't care what "forensics" you release, you have to know that you will never fool the MJ fan base into accepting these tracks or keeping this quiet. we know the truth and we're not going to stop.

so go ahead. continue with your little games, ban the very fans that support your business, create divides in the biggest mj fan community on the web, do whatever you want. you make me sick.

like sam said earlier, maybe you should concentrate a little less on covering your tracks from awesome fans like pentum and kapital, and concentrate a little MORE on releasing actual michael jackson tracks on michael jackson cds.

what's next? are they going to ban anyone who speaks out? is it going to stop at the mjjc, or are you going to take it to youtube, facebook, twitter? You were just looking for an excuse to nail them. are you going to ban me too? too bad sony can't request a ban on grounds of "being a good fan and knowing what michael actually sounds like" or i guess i'd be history.

at least i can rest easy knowing that SOMEONE at sony has seen these posts and is obviously upset about them. this fan base is not just a money-making machine. We ARE the best fan base in the world, and that's a fact. we give to michael exactly what he gave to us, so stop screwing with us and show us some respect.

worried about your twisted little games instead of quality/upholding the mj legacy. i am so disgusted.

:clapping::clapping:
Very well said

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

You deliberately misquoted me and called me a liar based on that 'misquote'. And now here you are trying to come over all sweetness and light and tell people how they should and shouldn't be behaving? Like I said earlier, save it. It doesn't suit you.

How did I misquote you when I just repeated what you had typed out? :scratch:

I'm telling anyone how to behave, just stating the obvious, I've remained civil throughout this, so have others, then there's those who haven't. Maybe you're offended by that.

*Shrugs*

 

[samhabib]

How did I misquote you when I just repeated what you had typed out? :scratch:

I'm telling anyone how to behave, just stating the obvious, I've remained civil throughout this, so have others, then there's those who haven't. Maybe you're offended by that.

*Shrugs*

Civil? Who on earth are you kidding? You called me a liar while misquoting me. Repeated what I said? You did absolutely no such thing. You deliberatly misquoted what I said to suit your ridiculous agenda of always trying to take the moral high ground when actually behaving in a completely hypocritical manner.

You DIDN'T repeat what I said. You MANIPULATED what I said and tried to challenge me on that.

I'm offended by your constant lying. That's what I'm offended by.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Here's where you deliberately misquoted me and tried to make a point by lying about me. Shrugs? Don't shrug, take responsibility for your actions, instead.

*** Originally Posted by AnnieRUOkay89:
At least be honest with yourself, sir. You said "If I thought this was Michael, I wouldn't even consider myself a fan anymore, I'd hang up my glove". Why did you say that? Because you previously claimed that no longtime fan should think Michael's voice is on these records. Which means, to you, anyone who thinks Michael is on these records aren't real fans.

Your words, not mine.***

Well seeing as you haven't got the moral fibre to post my actual quote (thereby highlighting your complete inability to grasp the concept of 'honest debate'), here you go:

*** Originally Posted by samhabib:
I wouldn't consider myself a fan if it turned out that I couldn't tell a Michael Jackson song from a fraudsters. One? Maybe. But a whole series of them? I'd hang up my glove.*

If you can't recognise Michael Jackson, what's the point really? ***
*
Did you read that? I! If I couldn't tell a Michael Jackson song. In other words, if these songs turn out to be legitimate (they're not), I wouldn't consider myself a fan.

Is that clearer for you?

Honesty? You don't know the meaning of the word! Next time you try to outwit me, wake up earlier. And make sure you don't misquote me.

Honesty! Incredible!"

 

[samhabib]

Why must you all talk down to other members and say they 'aren't intelligent'? Is that something Michael would appreciate seeing you write to another of his fans? I mean, you don't have to be nice and polite if you're that pissed off and offended but is it really that difficult?

Why do you only pipe up when I say something? Worldwide's had a signature referring to a 'nutter' on this board for months and at no stage have you ever questioned that. Stop showing your obvious bias and everything will be alright.

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Why do you only pipe up when I say something? Worldwide's had a signature referring to a 'nutter' on this board for months and at no stage have you ever questioned that. Stop showing your obvious bias and everything will be alright.

Here we go again. Months? No, less than 2-3 weeks. Who was it aimed at? Nobody in particular.

Let's just shake hands and forget what has happened so far between the so called "doubters" and "believers". Arguing like children isn't going to make this matter go away, or be solved.

Soldier Boy seems to have the "dah" adlibs from Bad I think.

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I wish Michael to be still here and do this to all those who are messing with his vocals



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[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

^^ nice! :lol:

 

[teli-mj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Muahahahahahaha. The other dude is like WTF ?!?!?!?

 

[samhabib]

I wish Michael to be still here and do this to all those who are messing with his vocals



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He is only a 'product' now, don't you know?

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

^^^^The painful truth is that he was always only a product for them

 

[Minimj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Since Thriller, Michael was a product. He was the first popstar to turn himself into one.

 

[teli-mj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Since Thriller, Michael was a product. He was the first popstar to turn himself into one.

His name, not his existence.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Since Thriller, Michael was a product. He was the first popstar to turn himself into one.

No, he never turned himself into a product. He became a global brand. He's so popular that he became the most recognizable man in the world. His name became a strong brand like Coca Cola and McDonald's.

But, Michael Jackson, the man himself is not a can of Coke. He's not a manufactured soul-less product that is waiting to be consumed by people.

A product would not see himself as the platform to send social message, environmental message and message of love. He never sold his soul out.

Yes, he became a brand after Thriller. He tried to heal the world using his name. Was he a tool used by Epic to make money? Unfortunately, yes. But, he didn't exist to be an consumerable item.

We should not forget he's also one of the greatest humanitarians, a father and a son.

Think about it, would all of us be so passionate about this man if he's just a tool, an item and a product?

May be it's me. I'm quite offended by the term "product". A product is disposable. A product is subject to depreciation. A product will become obsolete. A product is without a soul. Michael Jackson is none of the above.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

@samhabib: You think very highly of yourself, don't you? Thinking I have a bias against you when my post was directed towards you, Annie, Worldwide, and BUMPER.

 

[samhabib]

@samhabib: You think very highly of yourself, don't you? Thinking I have a bias against you when my post was directed towards you, Annie, Worldwide, and BUMPER.

Of course you were. Why didn't you say that to Worldwide when he was posting on here with that signature while I was banned? You know why.

You think highly of me. That's the issue.

 

[Aniram]

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I wasn't around back then, Sam. I came right after you came back, I believe. When was that? I also don't recall the signature you're speaking of.

And I do think you're a very intelligent person with a lot of insight. Yes I do think highly of you as a person and an MJ fan. That's the issue?

 

[kopwatcher]

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First of all, the number of posts I've read in this thread today which say "I'm insulted/offended" is unbelievable. Then there's the reams of dictionary definitions and semantics. It's really not needed, so I'm not going to focus on it.

Pentum and Kapital have been banned through the direct instructions of Sony. Two of the top posters of comparison videos. Sony have visibility of this thread. They know about the controversy, and they know the fans want transparency and honesty. Sony are blatantly ignoring this. Please let's not get distracted with infighting - it gets them off the hook.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

True, but do we know WHO exactly from Sony is monitoring this controversy?

It is so shocking to me that Sony, The Estate and the Cascio's haven't been more transparent with the fans. They haven't offered any recording of Michael speaking, and written notes where Michael mentions these songs...

It's a huge disrespect.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

First of all, the number of posts I've read in this thread today which say "I'm insulted/offended" is unbelievable. Then there's the reams of dictionary definitions and semantics. It's really not needed, so I'm not going to focus on it.

Pentum and Kapital have been banned through the direct instructions of Sony. Two of the top posters of comparison videos. Sony have visibility of this thread. They know about the controversy, and they know the fans want transparency and honesty. Sony are blatantly ignoring this. Please let's not get distracted with infighting - it gets them off the hook.

I undertand. I'm very upset. Sony is doing exactly the opposite of what they claimed.

 

[kopwatcher]

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If they can do it with BOJ, HT, etc. why not the Cascio songs?? Why can they not provide even a morsel of transparency with those songs? Why are they treated differently? We know you're reading this, Sony.