Michael - The Great Album Debate

[ivy]

And I wouldn't have been in a position to argue about the merits of a leaked snippet based on someone's verbal testimony.

you don't know my relation, communication or trust with Birchey. He's not "someone" to me. and you aren't me and I'm not you. I'm not required to act the way you would have acted.

Anything you want to say about Annie's attitude in that post with the 'Duh'???

Homer Simpson?

It didn't.

well I don't have powers to read their minds and you don't either.


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No 'WE' didn't all take his word as 'proof'. What were you saying about putting words in people's mouths? 'WE' didn't all take his word for it.

you weren't posting here at this time. I'll quote people below that's calling Birchey's word as proof and/or referencing it back without hearing the songs themselves.

Ivy, why do you omit the post where Birchey clealy said vast majority of the songs were not sung by Michael. He also said he didn't believe Michael was behind the mic. So, we have a Michael Jackson track in which vast majority of the song was not sung by him.

example of what Birchey said being accepted and repeated

For example that he believes 99% that Jason Malachi was implied.

The remaining 1% is probably referring to another impostor than Jason. lol

99% Malachi is repeated without hearing the song and making own personal determination

Korgnex is a genie that knows all. Birchey is a kitten searching for the truth. Eventually Birchey will get to the truth. Korgnex aknowledges that Birchey is doing well towards that direction

Birchey is referred as the "truth"

Maybe you are wrong and don´t want to read what Birchey said:

It´s Jason Malachi on the Cascio´s songs and there is a conspiracy.

PLEASE, DON´T TRY TO CHANGE WHAT BIRCHEY SAID. STOP !!!

What Birchey said presented as something that has to be accepted.

I'm just glad there's evidence out there somewhere in the hands of someone not interested in covering this up. Especially if it's a staff member.

The implications of this Pro-Tools session(s) does not surprise me one bit - it just supports what some of us have known since the beginning.

If this evidence is not acted on by the appropriate people Birchey has informed, it must come out in the public domain.

What Birchey mentioned is referred as evidence.

Aniram, Birchey said the truth that you dont want to understand:

It's a fraud, a conspiracy, and the Cascio used Jason Malachi plus adlibs from older song.

If you are excited to hear the other fake song, good for you.

What Birchey said as truth

I knew it! I always had that hunch. There is a lot of damaging evidence here against the Cascios.

I have a couple questions to ask you:

1) Did you discover this recently?

and

2) Have you directed this information to The Estate and are they now aware of this?

again referred as evidence.


as you can see as what he said was generally accepted as truth, evidence and repeated and referenced without hearing the songs personally. I simply did the same thing.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Homer Simpson?

Oh, of course, some people's bad manners are tolerated. My mistake.

well I don't have powers to read their minds and you don't either.

No I don't. I do know as a fact, however, that Sony are disappointed by sales and that sales are NOWHERE near what they expected. And I didn't read minds to find that out.

you weren't posting here at this time. I'll quote people below that's calling Birchey's word as proof and/or referencing it back without hearing the songs themselves.

example of what Birchey said being accepted and repeated...

What a complete waste of time. Let's go back to your original quote. "and you all took Birchey's word when the mentioned these songs and accepted them and repeated it , referenced it over and over again as "proof"."

Read it again. "and YOU ALL". Which, by any stretch of the English language, would include me. And as I mentioned in my response, I DIDN'T refer to it as fact/proof/truth. So all of the examples you posted were COMPLETELY irrelevant. And a complete waste of your time. So think about that the next time you try to put words into MY mouth. I DIDN'T refer to his findings as the 'truth'. Regardless of however many other people did that you want to quote.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh, of course, some people's bad manners are tolerated. My mistake.

I'm not seeing a report and honestly I don't think it would generate a deletion.

So think about that the next time you try to put words into MY mouth.

I used "you all" as a general term referring to a large group of people. It also has plural meaning. If you took it personally it's not my problem. In the post I said "don't put words to my mouth" you referred to me with my nickname "ivy". So unless I refer to you as explicitly "samhabib said this" please do not complain.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Originally Posted by BUMPER SNIPPET http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/s...spiracy)/showthread.php?p=3321018#post3321018
For example that he believes 99% that Jason Malachi was implied.
The remaining 1% is probably referring to another impostor than Jason. lol

99% Malachi is repeated without hearing the song and making own personal determination

Where did you read in my post that I made my own personal determination after Birchey's words, when I simply explained what Birchey believed? That's what I call twisting and forcing a comment to add credibility to your theory.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Lol @ "duh" being bad manners. If you felt that was an act of bad manners, I apologize Sam.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

...These mistakes can happen, it's a part of life, dude.

@Ivy

And this tone is acceptable, but when I say "Cascio defender" I get a warning for insulting people because of twisted interpretation?

Homer Simpson?

Homer Simpson? Not funny. This "duh" is all but Homer Simpson's exclamation! This "duh" could easily be replaced by "you moron" addressed to Sam. Again, the term Cascio defender is interpreted as an insult and "duh" as Homer Simpson' exclamation in a context where no such exclamation would be logical. You have a curious way to interpret words of a Cascio opposer and a Cascio supporter. Of course, interpretation being that this latter never has an insulting tone when the finger is pointed out towards him/her. On top of that, the insulting tone is defended and clearly stated as non eligible to be deleted! For someone who advocated respect, I am not congratulating you on this one.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Lol @ "duh" being bad manners. If you felt that was an act of bad manners, I apologize Sam.

I honestly am congratulating you for being humble and apologizing. I am not singling you out, I know that many people have rude tone, but I simply don't understand why the staff tolerates some people's rude tone and not other people's. Thanks for having guts to apologize, a quality that not many people have here.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper

aren't you tired of nitpicking my posts to find stuff to hate on me yet?

You hate my guts. You'll reject and/or criticize anything and everything I'll say. I already know and realize it.

and you know that I'm not moderating this thread. so please make up your mind do you want me to be a staff or not? Why are you criticizing me not taking action when you are the one who asked for it in the first place? ( "I think it would not" is nothing more than a personal opinion and certainly not a definitive statement)
I told that it wasn't reported and as you know we aren't moderating unless there's a report.
Have you realized that for pages and pages we wrote and discussed "cascio defenders" and it didn't got deleted? can't you realize when your points get across and when you no longer need to argue for that?
and did you have a change or heart I remember you saying the rules didn't allow for complaints or reports, so now "insulting posts" reports are acceptable?

and again aren't you tired yet of this?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Bumper

aren't you tired of nitpicking my posts to find stuff to hate on me yet?

You hate my guts. You'll reject and/or criticize anything and everything I'll say. I already know and realize it.

and you know that I'm not moderating this thread. so please make up your mind do you want me to be a staff or not? Why are you criticizing me not taking action when you are the one who asked for it in the first place? ( "I think it would not" is nothing more than a personal opinion and certainly not a definitive statement)
I told that it wasn't reported and as you know we aren't moderating unless there's a report.
Have you realized that for pages and pages we wrote and discussed "cascio defenders" and it didn't got deleted? can't you realize when your points get across and when you no longer need to argue for that?
and did you have a change or heart I remember you saying the rules didn't allow for complaints or reports, so now "insulting posts" reports are acceptable?

and again aren't you tired yet of this?

I do not hate you, let's make that clear. I am commenting the inconsistancies in your posts. It is a part of the debate.

A page or two ago (p. 606) I even joked with you, but you haven't noticed it. I guess you only see negativity from Cascio opposers.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I do not hate you, let's make that clear. I am commenting the inconsistancies in your posts. It is a part of the debate.

A page or two ago (p. 606) I even joked with you, but you haven't noticed it. I guess you only see negativity from Cascio opposers.

The one that you rewrote my entire post? I didn't see that as a joke and honestly I thought it was mocking me. and quite often I sense a hostility feeling.

and if we are pointing out inconsistencies asking me to stop moderating as I was involved and then criticizing me for not moderating is a huge one. if I'm not coming to this thread as staff, you really should stop adding "staff label" to what I say, do or don't do (as promised).

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The one that you rewrote my entire post? I didn't see that as a joke and honestly I thought it was mocking me. and quite often I sense a hostility feeling.

and if we are pointing out inconsistencies asking me to stop moderating as I was involved and then criticizing me not moderating is a huge one. if I'm not coming to this thread as staff, you really should stop adding "staff label" to what I say.

When you decide to see negativity and hostility instead of a simple respectively counter-argument and joke, then indeed it is useless to talk to you or to joke with you.

As far as staff is concerned,I said that you were too much involved personally in this debate to moderate it for the fairness sake, and I did not ask you to moderate Annruok's post. I just pointed out how you defend her tone (wether you are a staff or not) and how you interpret other people's tone. You just proved it, even my joke you interpreted as something negative. I do exactly the same thing with Arklove's posts. So what would that mean, that I joke with her and mock you with exactly the same thing?

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

You must agree that your communication and relations with Arklove isn't not the same as your communication and relations with me. The conditions are different.

as a few pages ago I asked samhabib to "not put words into my mouth" and then shortly after you took my post and rewrote it to the opposing meaning, I didn't see it as a joke but mocking me and my request of "not putting words to my mouth". It might have been a joke but certainly not one I would call "funny" from my perspective.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well I personally don't see how "dude" can be rude, I didn't use it as anything more than a term...


But, whatever.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

We've been discussing this whole thing for so long that we're all practically family online now.

While we may hate each other at times, deep down we all love each other inside.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The one that you rewrote my entire post? I didn't see that as a joke and honestly I thought it was mocking me. and quite often I sense a hostility feeling.

and if we are pointing out inconsistencies asking me to stop moderating as I was involved and then criticizing me for not moderating is a huge one. if I'm not coming to this thread as staff, you really should stop adding "staff label" to what I say, do or don't do (as promised).

The thing is, even if I say and confirm it is a joke, you stick to what you want it to believe. It's really useless justifying oneself when you already decided in your mind how you perceive things.

FYI, I didn't do such a thing only with Arklove and you, but also with Ginvid whom I know even less than you. If you want it to be negative, there's nothing that anyone could do to change your mind anyway.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well I personally don't see how "dude" can be rude, I didn't use it as anything more than a term...


But, whatever.

You also openly called people hypocrites, and that was also something that you didn't see it as rude. I guess we don't have same references of what is rude.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Dude is a really common word these days and isn't offensive at all, although it is informal, I guess. Kind of like saying 'bud' or 'bro'. :lol: All kind of pointless to argue about really. Can't we take a 'duh' and a 'facepalm' on the internet a few times?

 

[Dorian]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Dude is a really common word these days and isn't offensive at all, although it is informal, I guess. Kind of like saying 'bud' or 'bro'. :lol: All kind of pointless to argue about really. Can't we take a 'duh' and a 'facepalm' on the internet a few times?

How's it going dude? :shades:

 

[samhabib]

Can't we take a 'duh' and a 'facepalm' on the internet a few times?

Hey I'm fine with it. I just don't want to see you crying like a baby when I do it, that's all.

If I wrote 'duh!' at the end of a sentance Ivy would have warned me and all of you lot would have been whining and moaning about it. Annie does it and it's 'Homer Simpson'!

No. It's equally rude. But there's no bias on this board. No sirree!

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I thought this thread is about the album?

 

[samhabib]

I thought this thread is about the album?

It is, duh!

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'm scratching my head right now, I'm trying to figure out why Michael sounds so young in Soldier Boy (pitch upped perhaps?).

Doesn't mean I think the track is fake though! =)

 

[Willy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'm scratching my head right now, I'm trying to figure out why Michael sounds so young in Soldier Boy =)

Because it's someone else singing it. Stop lying to yourself, it's time to face the truth.

 

[Minimj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

To be honest. These tracks are fake. We all know they are. They are have tried using MJ adlibs, to make it sound more like Michael. Nothing we can do, unless we get the raw vocals which the Cascios gave the estate. Music has advanced so much, you can make recordings sound like someone, as long as you have an imposter, and bobs your uncle, it can be done, as you can tell by these tracks. If these recordings were so bad, they shouldn't have released them at all. Or release them as "Michael" left them, would have been better.

Pentum and Kaptial were banned for putting out leaks. Sony can't do crap call if someone talks about the songs (i.e Birchey). If someone leaks a snippet, something totally different, that's copyright for you.

The sad thing is, Sony won't listen to us. If they did, they would release raw vocals to show they are Michael and not an imposter, but guess what they can't because they know it is too risky.

 

[samhabib]

I'm scratching my head right now, I'm trying to figure out why Michael sounds so young in Soldier Boy (pitch upped perhaps?).

Doesn't mean I think the track is fake though! =)

Yeah, it's pitched up. That's the ONLY reason Michael Jackson doesn't sound like Michael Jackson. The ONLY reason. Because it's clearly not fake!

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

It's as if Sony have got a vested interest in these projects failing. They must be pissed off that there are some fans lapping up this crap!

Thriller video has a black box ALL AROUND IT. EVEN on iPhone. Yet some fans are still happy!

What has Sony got to do to offend these fans?!?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Michael literally was full of imagination and beyond during his lifetime. Today, in the era of 3-D and BLU-RAY we get a DVD box filled with black boxed MJ videos and questionable songs (luckily 50 cents saves one of those songs) on the first posthumous MJ's album with allegedly wrong streamed mix. Nice job, really. I just don't know what to do to prevent throwing up whenever I think of the wasted energy and investment by SONY. The only positive thing however, is the video game.

p.s. And some call Pentum's and Kapital's comparisons amateurish. How should you call one of the leading 3-D tv set and technology sellers for all the discrepancies regarding MJ's album then?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'm scratching my head right now, I'm trying to figure out why Michael sounds so young in Soldier Boy (pitch upped perhaps?).

Doesn't mean I think the track is fake though! =)

Did you mean "though" or "duh"? lol

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The thing is, even if I say and confirm it is a joke, you stick to what you want it to believe. It's really useless justifying oneself when you already decided in your mind how you perceive things.

FYI, I didn't do such a thing only with Arklove and you, but also with Ginvid whom I know even less than you. If you want it to be negative, there's nothing that anyone could do to change your mind anyway.

I'm talking about my feelings here. You might not wanted to hurt me but regardless I am hurt. There's no sense in pushing me in saying " I said it's a joke accept it", that doesn't change how I feel. how about perhaps showing empathy and taking a little bit blame on yourself? I explained it to you above how the timing made me feel how I felt. and your response is I can't feel that because you said it's a joke? sorry I already did and do.

and see your post in response my post of "homer simpson". You realize it's a joke but still reject it as "not funny" and even not respectably acceptable. So as you don't automatically accept every joke as funny and acceptable and even criticize it, I don't really think that I have to accept everything even jokes as funny as acceptable either. and if it makes me negative, it makes you equally negative in your approach.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm talking about my feelings here. You might not wanted to hurt me but regardless I am hurt. There's no sense in pushing me in saying " I said it's a joke accept it", that doesn't change how I feel. how about perhaps showing empathy and taking a little bit blame on yourself? I explained it to you above how the timing made me feel how I felt. and your response is I can't feel that because you said it's a joke? sorry I already did and do.

and see your post in response my post of "homer simpson". You realize it's a joke but still reject it as "not funny" and even not respectably acceptable. So as you don't automatically accept every joke as funny and acceptable and even criticize it, I don't really think that I have to accept everything even jokes as funny as acceptable either. and if it makes me negative, it makes you equally negative in your approach.

Good morning to you too.