Michael - The Great Album Debate

[pushukrystian]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Here one more proof of a cascio defender. I ask people what would YOU do, and they talk about what the Cascios did.

I didn't see your question about what would Ido, but to answer: I don't know, MJ didn't give me even one unreleased track

And I am not cascio defender - I don't know them. I feel free to defend Michael Jackson songs. Even when they are not on the highest level I still love them. If some group of people can't hear MJ voice in cascio tracks - that is not my problem. Everybody can think and hear what they want.

 

[teli-mj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I can't believe the things I'm reading.
Two members banned because Sony wanted it? I'm not sure if I understood it correctly. Tell me if I'm wrong. They threatened MJJC with legal actions if these members were not to be banned? I mean really?
Am I the only one who sees the lack of respect toward Michael and his fans?
All of these things that happened with the release of the album "Michael" are a shame. An insult to Michael's legacy. The final falling apart of the community. And we all know who's responsible for all of this: Sony and the estate. Just continue pissing off fans... But never forget: Maybe he's just a product for you, but for us he's our King, someone we love like a father, a brother, and a lover, someone we would do anything for, someone we will defend until our last breath.

You're absolutely right. What Sony is doing is unprecedented. I would call the method that they are using fascistic and it really bothers me why they went so far as to ask the ban of those members. They want the money from the same fans that they don't respect and they treat like are some kind of mentally ill who don't understand what is going on. They don't respect the fans and most importanly, they don't respect Michael Jackson. Someone should expose them for what they are and for what they are doing. Shame on them

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

YOu have skillfull way to call people names and get away with words such as "disclaimer" and "those are not my words". Nice try. But addressed to me or anyone else by you or quoted from anyone else in your post is not necessary.

if a person is harassing me and cursing me out (and that I know reads this thread because attacks to me whenever I post stuff), I can post a response to them and believe me "grow up" is quite harmless than compared to what they said (and not really an insult as they not an adult yet).

In short it wasn't aimed to you. There are people on this thread that has seen what happened by their eyes. and I have mentioned the issue 2-3 days ago in another thread. Don't believe me? I don't care.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

The fact is that this is a conspiracy theory. Even if it turned out to be true, it is still a conspiracy theory and that's a fact.

The only fact that we have here is that the Cascio songs sound different. So either it is fake or a distorted and sick copy-pasting and altering that has been made. This is a fact and has nothing to do with any conspiracy. It should have been called forgery then, and not consipracy.

:sigh: There's no reasoning with you, is there?

I am as dumb as a rock.

What would giving the children these unreleased, unregistered songs do for them, after the death of their father? It isn't going to bring him back, it isn't going to speed up the healing process, and it isn't going to stop them from mourning. Aside from that, they'd still have the music to remember their father if they had never heard these tracks before.

Cherish the memory and ultimately decide to release them one day if they feel it is their daddy singing them.

Yet, someone is coldblooded, because they made a wise decision to register these products and sell them to ensure the financial safety of not only themselves but for the children? Lol, really?

And ensure the fan community base split worldwide. Very "wise".

But don't you think Sony could have immediately been in contact with the Cascio's asking them for any audio they had? I think Sony and The Estate wanted the rights to basically ALL unreleased MJ material they could get.

No. SONY are the business people. All they can do is offer money and do business. But the Cascios were friends. They could have said no instead of rushing to cash in. They should have followed Will I Am's example. First wait, and when everyone has clear mind make decisions instead of being blinded by the color of the dollars.

My friend has died so I'm going to give his music he recorded here to his children when they're 18. Stuff his millions of fans!

^Is that really any better?

Not when they're 18, but immediately. Yes, that's better. It would have shown them whattheir dad did (if it was really him).

I didn't see your question about what would Ido, but to answer: I don't know, MJ didn't give me even one unreleased track

And I am not cascio defender - I don't know them. I feel free to defend Michael Jackson songs. Even when they are not on the highest level I still love them. If some group of people can't hear MJ voice in cascio tracks - that is not my problem. Everybody can think and hear what they want.

Well, by saying that you are happy that the Cascios did what they did, you are clearly defending their practice. I don't know how else this fact should be called? "Cascio supporter" -referring to Cascio were right to do what they did?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

if a person is harassing me and cursing me out (and that I know reads this thread because attacks to me whenever I post stuff), I can post a response to them and believe me "grow up" is quite harmless than compared to what they said (and not really an insult as they not an adult yet).

In short it wasn't aimed to you. There are people on this thread that has seen what happened by their eyes. and I have mentioned the issue 2-3 days ago in another thread. Don't believe me? I don't care.

So, you are responding to my post and are not addressing words to me. And on top of that you are telling me that "grow up" is not insulting compared to other things that someone else did to you, yet you find insulting the term "Cascio defender", which actually is nothing else than a description of what many fans are doing here? Hard to follow.

p.s. if that is the case, then I think that you enetered the wrong thread. I created another thread called "the most absurd thread on MJJC" in the general discussion. All illogical replies are there.

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I expect another 15 pages to read tomorrow morning, like today.

 

[KingMikeJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

The only fact that we have here is that the Cascio songs sound different. So either it is fake or a distorted and sick copy-pasting and altering that has been made. This is a fact and has nothing to do with any conspiracy. It should have been called forgery then, and not consipracy.

Conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

Conspiracy Theory: a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.

That is exactly what this is. This is a theory to explain the event of fake songs on a Michael Jackson album plotted by many people including the Estate, Sony and the Cascios.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

Conspiracy Theory: a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.

That is exactly what this is. This is a theory to explain the event of fake songs on a Michael Jackson album plotted by many people including the Estate, Sony and the Cascios.

Here we go again a word battle:

forgery/?f????ri/?

?noun (pl. forgeries) the action of forging a banknote, work of art, etc. ? a fraudulent copy or imitation.

 

[Willy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

The Cascios could have simply handed over the songs to the Estate for free instead of cashing in on their deceased friend. They would be still profiting from fees. MJ's Estate=MJ. If MJ was alive would he have to pay the cascios millions of dollars to obtain these songs? I don't think so.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Yeah, Bumper, but this isn't one person writing a bad check. This is Jason, the Cascio's, the Estate, Sony, Teddy Riley all LYING repeatedly. That is one big group conspiring together for $$$$$, right? Conspiracy?

 

[Dorian]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

The Cascios could have simply handed over the songs to the Estate for free instead of cashing in on their deceased friend. They would be still profiting from fees. MJ's Estate=MJ. If MJ was alive would he have to pay the cascios millions of dollars to obtain these songs? I don't think so.

If MJ was alive we wouldn't have had MICHAEL released,but a bunch of amazing songs mastered by him...

 

[Minimj]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

If Michael was alive, I doubt he would have let this album been released. If he was 'undercover'

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Yeah, Bumper, but this isn't one person writing a bad check. This is Jason, the Cascio's, the Estate, Sony, Teddy Riley all LYING repeatedly. That is one big group conspiring together for $$$$$, right? Conspiracy?

And when you make a forgery you are telling the truth?

Better check out what Conspiracy theory means before blindly sticking to what you think you know, when clearly you don't.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'll do ir for you:
Conspiracy theory was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy.[1] However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.[1]



And this is how we are labeled here! Yet "Cascio defender" is supposed to be an insult? LOL!

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

And this is how we are labeled here! Yet "Cascio defender" is supposed to be an insult? LOL!

did you read the part that I said this complaint is being discussed and that we are trying to find an alternative solution?

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'll do ir for you:
Conspiracy theory was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy.[1] However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.[1]



And this is how we are labeled here! Yet "Cascio defender" is supposed to be an insult? LOL!

Exactly....and accusing someone of 'not caring' about Michael's homicide because we focus on the debate thread isn't an insult either....

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I'll do ir for you:
Conspiracy theory was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy.[1] However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.[1]



And this is how we are labeled here! Yet "Cascio defender" is supposed to be an insult? LOL!

Thanks Bumper! This is why I'm not happy to be called as a conspiracy theorist. If people think the term "Cascio defender" carries a bad intonation, how about the term "conspiracy theorist"? Conspiracy theorist is a term commonly used to describe people who believe there is a superhuman power against them. I never ever believe the Cascios have superhuman power.

I feel I'm treated as an individual with no logic or a superactive imagination.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

did you read the part that I said this complaint is being discussed and that we are trying to find an alternative solution?

Yes, but in the meantime we are still labeled as Conspiracy Theorists.

Did you read my post when I was trying to find an alternative name to "Cascio defender"? I proposed "Cascio supporter", but I guess that it's again not good, even though many people support those tracks here.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I have no problem being called a Cascio Defender, really, even though I don't really agree it's an accurate label.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I have no problem being called a Cascio Defender, really, even though I don't really agree it's an accurate label.

Well for me it is not an insult nor intention to insult anyone when saying cascio defender. However when I say believer and non-believer, I have impression to be in a religious thread on the one hand, and on the other, it is also unfair, as you can reverse the term believer and non-believer. The Cascio non-defenders could be also called "believers" (that it is not MJ) and the Cascio defenders "doubters" or "non-believers" (that it is an impostor).

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Yes it can sound religious with the whole 'believer' and 'doubter' thing but I think it's obvious when anyone says that what they're talking about. There's no need to start coming up with multiple names for the 'other side'. We are all here to defend Michael, not to defend Sony or The Cascio's.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Yes it can sound religious with the whole 'believer' and 'doubter' thing but I think it's obvious when anyone says that what they're talking about. There's no need to start coming up with multiple names for the 'other side'. We are all here to defend Michael, not to defend Sony or The Cascio's.

It is clear in this thread, but ouside this thread it is not clear. So why not call a spade a spade and say who defends what or who supports what, so that anyone can clearly understand inside or outside the thread.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I guess... Anyway, when I hear 'Cascio Defenders' I think of the tracks, not the family. A defender of the Cascio tracks as really MJ.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

I guess... Anyway, when I hear 'Cascio Defenders' I think of the tracks, not the family. A defender of the Cascio tracks as really MJ.

Well Cascio defender is shortened for "Cascio tracks defender" or "Cascio tracks supporter", really what's wrong with those terms?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Nothing is wrong with it. Are you a Malachi Defender?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Nothing is wrong with it. Are you a Malachi Defender?

It's rather the opposite, I am not Malachi defender, but a "non-Cascio tracks defender" or "a non-Cascio supporter". The issue with the term Malachi defender is that as we don't believe that it is MJ, we believe that it is an imposter, probably Malachi. So when you believe that it is MJ singing it appears to us that you are Malachi defender. So in order to be clear, it is better to mention the Cascios than Malachi, as they ARE labeled on those tracks.

 

[KingMikeJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

Conspiracy theorist is a term commonly used to describe people who believe there is a superhuman power against them.

No it isn't...

 

[KingMikeJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

It's rather the opposite, I am not Malachi defender, but a "non-Cascio tracks defender" or "a non-Cascio supporter". The issue with the term Malachi defender is that as we don't believe that it is MJ, we believe that it is an imposter, probably Malachi. So when you believe that it is MJ singing it appears to us that you are Malachi defender. So in order to be clear, it is better to mention the Cascios than Malachi, as they ARE labeled on those tracks.

How are we defending Malachi? We believe Malachi had NOTHING to do with it.

I also believe that Adolf Hitlet had nothing to do with the Michael album, does that mean I am defending him?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

How are we defending Malachi? We believe Malachi had NOTHING to do with it.

I didn't say you WERE defending him. I said that if theoretically we start using the term "Malachi defender", from non Cascio supporters view it would appear that you were unintentionally defending Malachi's songs as we believe it is an imposter singing them, most probably Malachi. So it's better not going down that way at all.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Conspiracy)

No it isn't...

Well, the dictionary says yes it is. Now of course I imagine that you will say something like "that's only dictionary's writers' opinion which is as valuable as mine".