Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Mundy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Hi I have been reading here a lot but I don't post much anymore. I lost the drive to sing after my band broke up over a year ago. Recently, I took up an offer to write and record some songs. I pulled out my guitar and realised my voice isn't sounding too great! I'm out of practice, sharp and shaky in places but the tone of my voice is the exact same. The way I pronounce things is the same, all of my habits, breaks for breath, everything is the exact same. I have clips of myself on a normal day, after a few drinks (and after too many drinks :blush, with a cold, with no sleep, on old tape recorders, with a computer mic, on amateur recording systems, in a professional studio (rough and finished versions), and they all sound like my voice. In my opinion, the voice on the Cascio tracks doesn't sound like Michael out of practice or using amateur equipment, it sounds like a completely different person.

I'm aware of the editing that can be done to vocals but they don't change the way someone pronounces something or the little habits they have. You would have to make a drastic change to change the tone of someone's voice and in that case, would you be making the same drastic changes to all of the Cascio tracks? Would they all need such extreme, voice altering pitch changes (or whatever other changes) and if they did, would they all result in the exact same altered voice?

The voice on the Cascio tracks all sound like the same person, imo. If the raw, unedited vocal tracks had Michael sounding like Michael and all the tracks were edited for their purpose (maybe some pitch altered, some sped up, slowed down, etc) would they all sound like the same voice we hear on all of the Cascio tracks? It's very unlikely that they would all need to be pitched down one step and sped up 3% (for example) but isn't that the only way that the vocal tracks on each song could be changed so that they would all end up sounding like the same person in the finished product?

I'm also hounded by damn logic. It seems so unlikely that they would do this. But logic isn't always the way to the right answer. People do illogical things all the time. Any logical thoughts and doubts I might have about the Cascio situation go straight out the window when I hear the tracks.

I enjoy reading the debate threads, by the way. You all raise great points. I just wanted to throw my two cents in

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Knowing the true beauty of MJs voice and believing that the casicos tracks are MJ is an oxymoron, impossible. Knowing one cancels out the other. You may have listened to mj since birth but seriously, take this a challenge to REALLY listen. I mean that in all seriousness.

Do you also own all of the J5 albums and The Jackson albums as well?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Mundy, thanks for the great post.


Yes, jaXXXon, own all the J5 albums, collectors, etc. All of Michael's Motown stuff. I know the beauty of his voice. You can stop judging me like you're a bigger fan now, thanks.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I'm also hounded by damn logic. It seems so unlikely that they would do this. But logic isn't always the way to the right answer. People do illogical things all the time. Any logical thoughts and doubts I might have about the Cascio situation go straight out the window when I hear the tracks.

Great post Mundy! Thanks for sharing! I especially agree with this point...Logic and my ears don't seem to be connecting...

Michael always said...'FEEL THE MUSIC'.....May not seem logical to some, but it sure damn worked for him

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Mundy, thanks for the great post.


Yes, jaXXXon, own all the J5 albums, collectors, etc. All of Michael's Motown stuff. I know the beauty of his voice. You can stop judging me like you're a bigger fan now, thanks.

Not judging as a bigger fan, however, my listening skills may be more in touch with sounds.

Do you honestly think that the voice on the casico tracks sounds identical to the voice we've heard in all other songs?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

No, I actually think you guys are great people. I don't dislike you guys just because you don't think it's Michael and think you have some great points. I look forward to this, hopefully, getting resolved, and we can have some better peace about it.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

edit.

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I pity people who listen to those Cascio tracks, because life is so short, and knowing that some innocent fans are tricked to believe that it is Michael singing and wasting their precious moments of life in listening those songs is breaking my heart.

But together with my sisters and brothers, we doubters, hand in hand, are going to pray for you in our doubters temple. We will save you from the deception.

I also pity them but its their choice so there is nothing to be done.

I've come to the conclusion that there are people that only LISTEN and there are the people that STUDY....when you put in the work and study, really study, you can't be fooled by cheap imposters....and the guy onthw casico tracks is a cheap imposter....they could have at least hired someone that understood Michaels diction and delivery. Anyone knowing those key ingredients would he nixed the improper delivery of the lyric "Michael Jackson" in Breaking News. Sony was sloppy, they thought they could just hire a sound a like and it would be good enough....what a slap in the face to Mj

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I've come to the conclusion that there are people that only LISTEN and there are the people that STUDY....

This is true...

 

[Graf]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

...? JaXXXon said "agreed" and Arklove said "Indeed...." to that post. They obviously didn't catch the sarcasm. Tsukiji, are you alright? Are you going to add anything to this discussion or just try to put me down?

I made a 2 paragraph response a few pages ago.. :smilerolleyes: , you should try fully reading posts, it would help. Never put you down, but you come into the thread trying to twist words of people, I will say something.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Thread cleaned again from off topic talk, personal conversations, Oprah hate etc. and do I need to remind everyone that not to question other people's ears/hearing ability?

 

[Casey R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I've come to the conclusion that there are people that only LISTEN and there are the people that STUDY....when you put in the work and study, really study, you can't be fooled by cheap imposters....and the guy on the casico tracks is a cheap imposter..

co-sign.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

She regrets to have sided with the wrong people. That's what you get when you are greedy. She should have promoted Michael before, when he was in trouble.now it's too late. Michael is not there and we should pity Oprah?

The Cascio's job was not to promote. SONY is in charge of promotion. Cascio should go back to their business, inventing calculators or something.

Lol...:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

omg... you remind me that i owned a casio g-shock watch when i was a teen... that was around the time history was released. the good old days..

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I made a 2 paragraph response a few pages ago.. :smilerolleyes: , you should try fully reading posts, it would help. Never put you down, but you come into the thread trying to twist words of people, I will say something.

If you would fully read posts, I was being sarcastic. :smilerolleyes: I wasn't twisting any words, BUMPER SNIPPET was being sarcastic and so was I.

And @jaXXXon, like I haven't been studying, listening to all of Jason Malachi's music and all of Michael Jackson's music, listening to them in all different kinds of settings, all different speakers, headphones, etc? Putting much of my focus into it and still hearing Michael? Is that not studying to you? Also, watching every comparison video and reading all of your posts? Am I just a listener?

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

@Mundy, thank you for your post. best of luck to you. follow your dream and don't give up! :better:

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I also pity them but its their choice so there is nothing to be done.

I've come to the conclusion that there are people that only LISTEN and there are the people that STUDY....when you put in the work and study, really study, you can't be fooled by cheap imposters....and the guy onthw casico tracks is a cheap imposter....they could have at least hired someone that understood Michaels diction and delivery. Anyone knowing those key ingredients would he nixed the improper delivery of the lyric "Michael Jackson" in Breaking News. Sony was sloppy, they thought they could just hire a sound a like and it would be good enough....what a slap in the face to Mj

I'm a casual music listener. When I listen to radio, the music is just like soundtrack to me. I don't pay close attention.

But, when I listen to Michael Jackson, I'm completely different. I love the man so much. I'm obsessed with him. I realize I don't just listen to him, I found myself studying him unconsciously. I mean how can you not be familiar with his voice, his pronounciation, his habits after listening to all his songs (from I Want You Back to Slave to the Rhythm) more than hundreds of times. I not only listen to his songs, I have his court depositions, interviews and Oxford speech on my iPod. I listen to his speech just like listening to his songs.

The voice on the Cascio tracks is just too different than the voice I'm so obsessed with.

 

[Casey R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

The voice on the Cascio tracks is just too different than the voice I'm so obsessed with.

*nods*

And the only reason for that, that has any credibility whatsoever.... is that this voice belongs to someone else.

And it just so happens that this someone's voice is identical to another someone..... Jason Malachi.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Perhaps this is a conspiracy to make the family and Michael Jackson's most hardcore fans look crazy.

Or maybe they thought they could get away with it because of how easy they feel it is to label Jackson fans as 'out there'.

Interviewer: You know... some fans and family members doubt the authenticity of some of these tracks.

Man in suit: Oh, haha, well you know how his fans can be... Yeah, well, it's him, mkoy, so yeah, all there is to say, really... moving on...

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Sigh... Its tough you know, I don't want to argue with fans because it's bad enough losing Michael and like mj says "all the colors of the world should be loving eachother wholeheartedly" buy when it comes to something so close to my heart as he integrity of michaels voice I find it very insulting and if I come off a little curt that I the reason why. I've spent quality time with michaels voice for the past 25+ years and for someone to say that the casico voice is michaels voice it's an affront to everything I know about mj's voice. I've absorbed that voice, I know what it sounds like as if it were my own. Some of my best nights have been sitting in the dark with my headphones on and just taking it all in, letting michaels voice speak to me and move me.....the casico voice...you can't connect with it...michaels voice was a symphony and this guy is a one note knock off.

The fact that Malachi has been SO quiet about this is very suspect. No yOutube denials, no hardcore statements, Nothing.
That silence is very suspicious, I think a contract if silence was definitely put into place


cheers:

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^ I hear you, good post.

I've had my doubts since day one. And no, I don't like arguing, but I think we can keep this debate very civil and remain friendly amongst one another to figure this stuff out. Hopefully we can score a decent interview or two with some more important people, like some more info from Eddie or any evidence that he helped in the creation of these songs.

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^ I hear you, good post.

I've had my doubts since day one. And no, I don't like arguing, but I think we can keep this debate very civil and remain friendly amongst one another to figure this stuff out. Hopefully we can score a decent interview or two with some more important people, like some more info from Eddie or any evidence that he helped in the creation of these songs.

I wouldn't hold my breath for any truth about this from the Casicos, they are married to the lie. They showed their opportunist nature the day after mj's passing and had the nerve to get on National television and perpetuate their lie along with Teddy Riley. I had a lot of respect for that family until this happened but I guess the temptation was just too great once Michael was no longer with us to stop them.

Did mj's kids say they didn't think it was daddy's voice?

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Sigh... Its tough you know, I don't want to argue with fans because it's bad enough losing Michael and like mj says "all the colors of the world should be loving eachother wholeheartedly" buy when it comes to something so close to my heart as he integrity of michaels voice I find it very insulting and if I come off a little curt that I the reason why. I've spent quality time with michaels voice for the past 25+ years and for someone to say that the casico voice is michaels voice it's an affront to everything I know about mj's voice. I've absorbed that voice, I know what it sounds like as if it were my own. Some of my best nights have been sitting in the dark with my headphones on and just taking it all in, letting michaels voice speak to me and move me.....the casico voice...you can't connect with it...michaels voice was a symphony and this guy is a one note knock off.

That just made me cry....I can relate in every way possible....

 

[Roosje]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^^ I'm just curious,Roosje...Was it for promotion or for human interest?

Sorry for my late response. I was asleep. Both. For Oprah and her public curious for everything Michael it was human interest, for Cascio's, Teddy and Sony it was promotion. It usually works this way on Oprah: say Angelina Jolie is visiting: it's like how's Brad? How do you juggle your kids? And at the end the movie will be talked about and shown: out next week. Just like Michael was shown at the end of the segment. This is what Oprah does in almost all her celebrity oriented shows, also non-celebrity guests often have a book out that's spoken about after the interview about the book's topic.

 

[Roosje]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I wouldn't hold my breath for any truth about this from the Casicos, they are married to the lie. They showed their opportunist nature the day after mj's passing and had the nerve to get on National television and perpetuate their lie along with Teddy Riley. I had a lot of respect for that family until this happened but I guess the temptation was just too great once Michael was no longer with us to stop them.

Did mj's kids say they didn't think it was daddy's voice?

Accusations of betrayal and fraud are very serious. I would not dare state these theories as facts as you may just drag people through the mud who deserve this the least.

Mj's kids were quoted by others that they said this. No actual proof for this. They are children and probably follow the general consensus of the family, which isn't all that clear to me concerning the album, apart from LaToya and Taryll.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I pity people who listen to those Cascio tracks, because life is so short, and knowing that some innocent fans are tricked to believe that it is Michael singing and wasting their precious moments of life in listening those songs is breaking my heart.

lol, they probably wasted a lot less of their time than some people on the fan forums, who've been listening to Malachi on youtube dissecting his vocals, making comparisons, etc. for weeks on end. And then going on in circles endlessly on the forums about it without achieving anything really. That's what I call a waste of time.

 

[jaXXXon]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Accusations of betrayal and fraud are very serious. I would not dare state these theories as facts as you may just drag people through the mud who deserve this the least.

Mj's kids were quoted by others that they said this. No actual proof for this. They are children and probably follow the general consensus of the family, which isn't all that clear to me concerning the album, apart from LaToya and Taryll.

Yes and so is having a sound-a-like sing MJ songs and them passing it off as MJ as fact is very serious as well. We are not obligated as fans to believe the Casicos just because they said it was MJ.

Michaels children are strong and individualistic, I dont think they would just SAY things for the sake of agreement.

 

[Roosje]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Yes and so is having a sound-a-like sing MJ songs and them passing it off as MJ as fact is very serious as well. We are not obligated as fans to believe the Casicos just because they said it was MJ.

Michaels children are strong and individualistic, I dont think they would just SAY things for the sake of agreement.

It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Thank God.

I agree. I was just saying their family's opinion is not all that clear, except for a few individuals. The kids did not make a statement of their own on this topic. I'm sure they think for themselves, but generally speaking children adapt to convictions and beliefs of their surrounding family. But concerning MJ's kids this is just speculation.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Thread cleaned again from off topic talk, personal conversations, Oprah hate etc. and do I need to remind everyone that not to question other people's ears/hearing ability?

I was just being a bit sarcastic when mentioning listening abilities. I think that Aniram understood it ;-)

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

lol, they probably wasted a lot less of their time than some people on the fan forums, who've been listening to Malachi on youtube dissecting his vocals, making comparisons, etc. for weeks on end. And then going on in circles endlessly on the forums about it without achieving anything really. That's what I call a waste of time.

Serendipity, that post of mine you quoted is not the way how I debate. I simply put it after endless debating as a joke post.

On a more serious note, I want to understand why some fans hear Michael and why some others not. That is the real reason I am on the forum.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Sigh... Its tough you know, I don't want to argue with fans because it's bad enough losing Michael and like mj says "all the colors of the world should be loving eachother wholeheartedly" buy when it comes to something so close to my heart as he integrity of michaels voice I find it very insulting and if I come off a little curt that I the reason why. I've spent quality time with michaels voice for the past 25+ years and for someone to say that the casico voice is michaels voice it's an affront to everything I know about mj's voice. I've absorbed that voice, I know what it sounds like as if it were my own. Some of my best nights have been sitting in the dark with my headphones on and just taking it all in, letting michaels voice speak to me and move me.....the casico voice...you can't connect with it...michaels voice was a symphony and this guy is a one note knock off.

A 'symphony'. Brilliant.

The reason I've taken this so personally is because it's an attack on Michael's ability, and legacy, as an entertainer and a performer. Along with his children, by the end, I think that was all he had left. THAT'S why this is so bad. They could kill his public image. They could cast aspersions on his character. But they could never take his legacy from him.

And this, to me, is a deliberate attempt to try and do just that.