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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Okay, so you doubt that it's Mike, very highly.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

ivy said:
Edited to add: We all need to understand how law works and "innocent until proven guilty" concept.

As far as the legal perspective goes Sony/Estate/ Cascio's are innocent parties and this is a legit Michael Jackson album. If you are claiming the opposite (that they are lying about the vocals, the vocals are of imposters etc) the burden of proof will be on you. Sony/Estate/Cascio's do not need to prove their innocence, other side has to be able to prove their guilt.
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Although I fully agree with you from a legal standpoint, we also have to consider the public relations issue. As it stands, it would be very difficult for Sony to release any of the 3 Cascio tracks on 'Michael' as singles based on the expected reaction from certain Jackson family members/fans. This is in addition to any album sales which have already been lost due to the controversy. As they still have 9 of the Cascio tracks to use, I feel the burden of proof is really with Sony/the Estate/Cascio's to further validate the authenticity of these songs if they hope to avoid further problems.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
Okay, so you doubt that it's Mike, very highly.
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That voice on the Cascio tracks is not the voice I've been listening to since I was a baby.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
Can you please post a source when you say Michael Jackson misled fans? A little evidence to support your claims would be good, samhabib. It's not hard to copy and paste an article is it? Where did Michael say that he recorded brand new vocals for WBSS?
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Really really interesting to see people's questions on WBSS 2008. First, I don't want to put anyone down. But, how familiar you are with the original WBSS, WBSS demo and WBSS remix? How many times have you listened to the demo and the remix before? Once? Twice? Or, never. Are you sure you are not confusing WBSS 2008 with PYT 2008?

The difference between the demo and the remix is very very apparent. I'm surprised by why some feel the need to get evidence to support Michael's vocals are recorded in recent years.

May be different people do perceive things very differently. If WBSS 2008 can cause so many doubts, then the Cascios tracks will obviously be a endless debate.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Closed for cleaning. This arguing is just pathetic.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

The thread was only cleaned yesterday and we're having to clean it again. The arguing needs to stop. If you can't respect each others opinions then this is a bad job. The thread is called a debate, not an argument. If we have to clean it again then it will need to be closed.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

According to Thriller 25's own credits, the lead vocals on WBSS 2008 weren't recorded at the Cascio's studio, only the backing vocals were. The lead vocals, which were re-recorded in 2007, was done at Akon's Konkast studio.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^ Could the lead vocals, in fact, be credited to Akon? Or is that implying that Michael rerecorded all the vocals for the song in 2007?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Ok, here is a question for you and please answer in all honesty.

Do you see Michael in these pictures or someone else:









Many fans know these pictures, but it would be foolish to assume that no one could be duped by those pictures. Many would firmly believe that it is real Michael, because the ressemblance is exceptionally striking. It is the best lookalike I've ever seen.

All those who knew Michael very well in BAD era would probably not pay attention to tiny differences, and would probably assume that those are MJ's pics.

Yet, when you pay close attention to them, you see something je ne sais quoi indicating that it is not Michael.

With the vocals on MONSTER and other CAscio songs, we, doubters, have the same impression. We have impression that the vocals despite the striking ressemblances at some points in the songs contain something je ne sais quoi which clearly indicates that it is not Michael singing.

Food for thought.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
According to Thriller 25's own credits, the lead vocals on WBSS 2008 weren't recorded at the Cascio's studio, only the backing vocals were. The lead vocals, which were re-recorded in 2007, was done at Akon's Konkast studio.
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Whose lead vocals?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
^ Could the lead vocals, in fact, be credited to Akon? Or is that implying that Michael rerecorded all the vocals for the song in 2007?
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What do you hear in that verse in WBSS 2008? A mature silky voice? Or, a youthful energetic voice?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

samhabib said:
It says Michael Jackson recorded lead vocals there?
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The term "lead vocals" aren't mentioned in the credits, the term they use is remix, both Michael and Akon are credited for remix, it says remix was recorded 11/07. And it says the remix was recorded by Mark Goodchild, for KonKast Studios.


It specifically states, "backing vocals by Angelikson productions".
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
The term "lead vocals" aren't mentioned in the credits, the term they use is remix, both Michael and Akon are credited for remix, it says remix was recorded 11/07. And it says the remix was recorded by Mark Goodchild, for KonKast Studios.


It specifically states, "backing vocals by Angelikson productions".
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Translation: It doesn't say that Michael Jackson recorded vocals - lead or backing - at Akon's studio.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

To me, putting all authenticity arguments aside, it does show that MJ was working with Eddie during this time, so it's not impossible that the vocals on these songs are his... Just my opinion, is all.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
The term "lead vocals" aren't mentioned in the credits, the term they use is remix, both Michael and Akon are credited for remix, it says remix was recorded 11/07. And it says the remix was recorded by Mark Goodchild, for KonKast Studios.


It specifically states, "backing vocals by Angelikson productions".
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Thanks Annie. I hope this address Aniram's and Loka's question. The remix (new vocals) was recorded in 2007.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

samhabib said:
Translation: It doesn't say that Michael Jackson recorded vocals - lead or backing - at Akon's studio.
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This forum needs a facepalm emoticon. It clearly states what was recorded and where it was recorded at. If lead vocals were done at the Cascio studios, don't you think they'd credit it a long with backing vocals in the booklet?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Annie's post does nothing but confirm that there is no evidence Michael recorded new vocals there, unless there is some other place where he stated it. Saying a remix was recorded in 2007 and backing vocals are by Angelikson doesn't mean Michael rerecorded the verse for WBSS 2008.

Where's any actual evidence that he did that? The take could have been used from anywhere. I doubt there's just one demo of WBSS.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Jesta said:
To me, putting all authenticity arguments aside, it does show that MJ was working with Eddie during this time, so it's not impossible that the vocals on these songs are his... Just my opinion, is all.
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It's fair to say the background vocals of WBSS 2008 was recorded in the Cascios studio. Then, how come Michael sounds unmistakenly himself in the remix? Can that mythical PVC pipe change the character of Michael's voice to such degree?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
This forum needs a facepalm emoticon. It clearly states what was recorded and where it was recorded at. If lead vocals were done at the Cascio studios, don't you think they'd credit it a long with backing vocals in the booklet?
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You've just claimed that lead vocals were recorded at Akon's studio even though the word 'vocal' doesn't even feature in regards to the reference to Akon's studio.

Vocals were recorded at the Cascio's studio and were credited. There are no credits listing where any other vocals were recorded. So it's impossible to state where they were recorded. 'Remixing' is not 'singing'.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Jesta said:
To me, putting all authenticity arguments aside, it does show that MJ was working with Eddie during this time, so it's not impossible that the vocals on these songs are his... Just my opinion, is all.
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I agree. Michael did spend some time at the Cascio's place and they had a studio. It is very unlikely that Michael would have stayed somewehere where there is a studio and not recorded any songs, so we can assume that he difinately did make some tracks with the Cascios.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

@ love is magical, While I would love to say that it was recorded at the Cascio studio, we really don't have evidence of that. Plus, hasn't the studio been upgraded since? Eddie could've upgraded it when asked to record vocals for "Thriller 25" to get a more professional sound. Plus, that verse wasn't recorded to be a demo, he was probably going all out, and acting more professional than I theorize he was during the Cascio sessions.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
Annie's post does nothing but confirm that there is no evidence Michael recorded new vocals there, unless there is some other place where he stated it. Saying a remix was recorded in 2007 and backing vocals are by Angelikson doesn't mean Michael rerecorded the verse for WBSS 2008.

Where's any actual evidence that he did that? The take could have been used from anywhere. I doubt there's just one demo of WBSS.
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So, you feel that verse featured vocals Michael recorded back in the early 80's?

Seriously, I want to know what you think about the voice? Mature? Youthful?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I think it sounds more mature, honestly. But I don't doubt that Michael could have rerecorded that one verse 200 different times, being the perfectionist he was.

I want to know why, if he sounded so great during this period of time, he only rerecorded one verse and didn't do a whole bunch. Obviously because he was tired, in my opinion.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Jesta said:
To me, putting all authenticity arguments aside, it does show that MJ was working with Eddie during this time, so it's not impossible that the vocals on these songs are his... Just my opinion, is all.
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That's until you listen to the vocals on WBSS 2008 and the Cascio songs.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

@samhabib, I have listened to both, but the fact that Angelikson is credited as helping put enough "Thriller 25" is undeniable that MJ did work with Eddie.

Plus, I've been slowing down "Monster" and other songs to reach the alleged speed of the originals, and it's pretty interesting to hear the results.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

samhabib said:
You've just claimed that lead vocals were recorded at Akon's studio even though the word 'vocal' doesn't even feature in regards to the reference to Akon's studio.

Vocals were recorded at the Cascio's studio and were credited. There are no credits listing where any other vocals were recorded. So it's impossible to state where they were recorded. 'Remixing' is not 'singing'.
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So then what was recorded at Akon's studio? Nothing? Cause it sure is credited. The lead vocals weren't done at the Cascio's studio, for the simple fact that the lead vocals aren't credited to them, only the backing vocals are credited to the Cascios, in the Thriller 25 booklet.

How stubborn can someone be, you were wrong in regards to where the lead vocals were done at, accept it and move on.

Remix also isn't in reference to remixing, in this case, because it was states clearly in the booklet, "remix mixed by Mark Goodchild".
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Jesta said:
@samhabib, I have listened to both, but the fact that Angelikson is credited as helping put enough "Thriller 25" is undeniable that MJ did work with Eddie.
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At no stage does anyone deny that Michael was in that studio. Prince claims Michael was there. That's good enough for me.

But like Prince says, the Cascio songs sounds nothing like anything Michael was recording. Again, that's good enough for me.
 
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