Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ok, snorts comparison are nothing to you, isn't?.

How can you explain it?.

You can not explain so many strange things, tons of fans saying it is JM, audio comparisons, MJ family, Rodney Jerkins, etc...

You will not win in the Cascios side. We are here not for Cascios, we are here For MJ.

The truth will come, dont forget it.

And the Mj family: Paris, Prince and Blanket will not forget who supported the fraud against their own father.

Think on it. They are the future, not Sony or Cascios.

If you want to support, what i think it's the worst attack to the MJ music, ok, good for you.

The truth will never come. Forget finding the truth because it's all speculation and no side will ever win..

This thread can go on for another 500 pages if we like..
 
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For those who missed him.

I'll stick with Monster.Malachi guy is awful.
 
Gonetoosoon;3329372 said:
The truth will never come. Forget finding the truth because it's all speculation and no side will ever win..

This thread can go on for another 500 pages if we like..

Ok, we will go for another 500... 1000.... or 2000 pages.

Nobody will forget what happened with those tracks.

By the way, i believe that something will leak, anyone will say the truth, or maybe the family will go to court when they find the perfect moment.

I have no proof. I will fight for Michael forever.

Me and many will never forget it. :punk:

That it´s what Malachi & Cascios want, that we´ll forget it and they can enjoy his millions of dollars.

Sorry, but not...

Fans around the world still finding the truth:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIyOTA0NTky.html

http://dnevnik.hr/showbizz/glazba/je-li-jason-malachi-posudzuje-glas-mrtvom-kralju-popa.html

http://www.infospesial.com/news/music/jason-malachi-penyanyi-di-album-michael-jackson.htm
 
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Kapital77;3329481 said:
Ok, we will go for another 500... 1000.... or 2000 pages.

Nobody will forget what happened with those tracks.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIyOTA0NTky.html

By the way, i believe that something will leak, anyone will say the truth, or maybe the family will go to court when they find the perfect moment.

I have no proof. I will fight for Michael forever.

Me and many will never forget it. :punk:

That it´s what Malachi & Cascios want, that we´ll forget it and they can enjoy his millions of dollars.

Sorry, but not.

:clapping::clapping:
Keep the faith!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Frank supported this fraud because he is the Porter manager. He lied.


And YOU, Mr. Detective are making us believe Mr. DiLeo would be a liar?

Oh thank you, Mr. Kapital77. Maybe you learn one day what the word prejudgment means.


McClain is another to watch in this fraud. He is selling the Mj catalog to his friends at Sony.


A very intelligent conclusion, Mr. Detective. It shows that you know absolutely nothing about the Mj catalog (named Mijac Music).

The Mijac catalogue is owned 100%(!!!) by The Michael Jackson Estate. It is only administered(!!!) by Sony/ATV Music Publishing.
(It was formerly administered by Warner/Chappell but they had financial problems.)

Sony/ATV Music Publishing is a joint venture which belongs 50% to Michael Jackson (now: The Michael Jackson Estate) and 50% to the Sony Corporation.

Once again:
Administering a catalague (here: the Mijac Music) is something completely different than owning or co-owning it.
Read the above carefully!!!
The Mijac catalogue is owned 100% by The Michael Jackson Estate.


You have no idea what you are talking about. You are talking nonsense. And this is not the first time you do so. Please stop it.



Did you heard the audio comparisons? Did you heard the snorts on the Cascio & Malachi songs?. It's not only the same voice, he has the same snorts and problems in his mouth with some words.


What you always call snorts are production artefacts and nothing else. It's NOT(!) a noise from a human being.
 
hahahaha, artefacts in the same words sung by Jason Malachi and the Cascio´s tracks.

Nobody will believe it, it´s the same voice, the same snorts, because Jason Malachi has problems with pronunciation.

You can say whatever you want to say to defense Sony & Cascios.

The truth can´t be hide.

And you can call me detective, or whatever stupid things that you want to say... it´s not new for Us and EVERYBODY KNOW YOU and KNOWS THE REASONS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEFENSE THOSE TRACKS.

A present for you:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UXP4XFOF

Cascios & Porte go here and erase it... run... run...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex You're absolutely right! 100% agree with You!

And Mr Detective77... all audio comparison which You made is for me nothing else than...amateur audio comparison made by...amateur :)
 
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@ Kapital77: You know NOTHING about me. You just started to accuse me of "working for the enemy" some months ago and that's immature.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm for LOGICAL ARGUMENTATION. We're not in a kindergarden.
 
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Korgnex You're absolutely right! 100% agree with You!

And Mr Detective77... all audio comparison which You made is for me nothing else than...amateur audio comparison made by...amateur :)

Now all the fans have to work in music business and be profesional otherwise we can't have an opinion?
 
Korgnex, continue, contine been rude and saying those things.

Do you think that you have more arguments attacking and being rude?.

It´s not a problem for me, you can´t hide the truth and say whatever you want to attack me.

I am tired of your arguments and when the truth will come, EVERYBOY WILL KNOW that you attacked the people who defense that Jason Malachi sung on those songs.

Right now, Everybody know you in the MJHIDEOUT.

I only have to wait till the day when the truth will come, you will regret all your words.

It´s a matter of time... and YOU know it.

Maybe i am in the Kindergarden, but you can´t recognize the Michael voice vs Jason Malachi´s voice.

By the way, i studied Law at University and work for justice and you only leaks tracks from your Sony´s friends. That´s the different between you and me. You can´t defense yourself at Court and you don´t know about laws.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex You're absolutely right! 100% agree with You!

And Mr Detective77... all audio comparison which You made is for me nothing else than...amateur audio comparison made by...amateur :)


:D Always thought it was 007 haha!
Am I wrong but wherefrom did I get that Kapital is not a Mister but a Miss(es)?


PS : Dear mod if this is against privacy rules, please delete it :).
 
Garden;3329515 said:
:D Always thought it was 007 haha!
Am I wrong but wherefrom did I get that Kapital is not a Mister but a Miss(es)?


PS : Dear mod if this is against privacy rules, please delete it :).

If you only go here to say those things and don´t talk about the CONTROVERSY on the Cascio´s tracks.... it´s better for you don´t say nothing.
 
Kapital77;3329523 said:
If you only go here to say those things and don´t talk about the CONTROVERSY on the Cascio´s tracks.... it´s better for you don´t say nothing.

Thank you for talking to me :)
 
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Now I see that everybody who believe in MJ voice in cascio tracks are working for sony...great... so why sony don't pay me for my job??

I'm also lawyer and I know that when You think somebody made sth illegal you should go to court with it.

Like korgnex said - it is not kindergarden. You can't accuse who You want because You have just different opinion...You should be able to prove Your rights.
 
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I know these kind of snorts, cause I also suffer from them from time to time while singing. This IS human noise.
 
I am saying what Jackson Family and others that were in the "MICHAEL" proyect are saying:

It´s not Michael Jackson, it´s Jason Malachi.

You can check the audio comparisons and then you can decide for yourself:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=50G8I1VE

I didn´t say that everybody who works for Sony defense the tracks. Some of them... yes.
 
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Kapital77;3329547 said:
I am saying what Jackson Family and others that were in the "MICHAEL" proyect are saying:

It´s not Michael Jackson, it´s Jason Malachi.

You can check the audio comparisons and then you can decide for yourself:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UXP4XFOF

I didn´t say that everybody who works for Sony defense the tracks. Some of them... yes.

If the resemblance is so evident why don't go in court or something?

I personally don't see the resemblance that much,and even though some may say that there is some,I can also say that even before Michael's death Malachi fooled a lot of people.
 
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If the resemblance is so evident why don't go in court or something?

I personally don't see the resemblance that much,and even though some may say that there is some,I can also say that even before Michael's death Malachi fooled a lot of people.

Because the people who doubt MJ is singing on these tracks don't have any definitive proof, just thoughts and gut feelings.
 
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Proove to me it's Michael Jackson singing those songs, and not thoughts and feelings.

Those songs are registered under Michael Jackson's name, and MJ Estate is the owner of those songs. It is proof and it is official that MJ is singing in those songs. It is legal information.

Opinions about it is not MJ singing those songs are only private opinions, nothing more.

Exemple: It is official that American were on the moon. I don't believe it. But it is only my private opinion, I have no proof. So how can I force my opinion to everobody that landing on moon was mistification? I can't, I can only believe in what I want. The same is with doubters. You guys can believe it is not MJ in cascio's songs, but You can't forced your opinion to everybody - because you don't have proof. When you don't have proof - I just can't believe you that you're right.
 
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Because the people who doubt MJ is singing on these tracks don't have any definitive proof, just thoughts and gut feelings.
And your definitive proof, it is Michael Jackson is ....
???



Oh, right it is a Michael Jackson album.
How come doubters have to prove it's not MJ, but the belivers don't have to give any proof?
 
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Those songs are registered under Michael Jackson's name, and MJ Estate is the owner of those songs. It is proof and it is official that MJ is singing in those songs. It is legal information.
Yeah, good one. what else do you have?

About the moonlanding. there are of course not official proves, that the landing didn't happen on the moon. But until the Nasa don't confess it was fake, it's always going to be conspiracies. same here. that the estate and sony did have doubts, that the songs aren't authentical, doesn't say anything to you. and don't come with "they did forensic analysis". what they did and what the real result was, we will never know.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why was Seth Riggs not involved in authenticating these songs?
 
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The burden of proof lies within the doubters. Believer's have proof, but it's of the obvious kind and the type you aren't looking for.


Proof #1, can be considered as the copyright registrations, the fact that Studio recordings, and sounds is included in the description of the material, under Michael Jackson's name. Again, that's obvious and isn't "proof" to some of you, in a court of law though, it would hold more weight than "these snorts are identical".

Proof #2, would be the Estate signing off on these songs for commercial released, combined with them and Sony not backing away from their claims, but instead reinforcing them through a press release, and under their own words, had this analysis conducted which 100% supported their initial conclusion. Again, more obvious proof, that has been presented and quickly dismissed by doubters.

Proof #3, and the most important would be Malachi issuing statements through his manager, which basically state "it ain't me".

Proof #4, last but not least, is we know Michael stayed there, we know Michael recorded there, the contents of such sessions were never made public until now, so we're led to believe. Now if these aren't the songs that Michael and the Cascio's recorded together, than where are they? Why would they keep genuine MJ songs secret, for the sake of committing a universal fraud? Again this is all obvious proof, and not of the sorts that doubter's are requesting.


You want materialistic proofs, being photo's of the sessions with Michael recording, you want the findings of forensic audio test's to be made public, you want songs from Michael that sound similar to these. In a nutshell you want the man himself to appear and just say, "yep, that's me!"


And until that last bolded line happens, this debate will continue. Because if and when those forensic results are made public, I can guarantee at least half of the doubters side of the fanbase will say the results were edited in some way, shape, or form.
 
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^ Very good posting.


@MJRemixed: I like the first pic in your signature as it's very funny. Who's directing this movie? Martin Bashir maybe? :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It was directed by Eddie Cascio :D

The film was a huge disaster though. Much so that subsequent sequels were cancelled :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Who's the murderer? I was wondering. They all look so fishy. :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The burden of proof lies within the doubters. Believer's have proof, but it's of the obvious kind and the type you aren't looking for.


Proof #1, can be considered as the copyright registrations, the fact that Studio recordings, and sounds is included in the description of the material, under Michael Jackson's name. Again, that's obvious and isn't "proof" to some of you, in a court of law though, it would hold more weight than "these snorts are identical".

Based on the discussion in the last few pages, copy right registraions serve more as proof of creativity ownership, NOT proof of authenticity. Just because the materials are registered under Michael Jackson's name does not necessary mean Michaal Jackson sang all the lead vocals as claimed by Sony, especially when the registrations are filed after his death. Does the US copyright office verify authenticity?

I don't think this "proof" is as obvious as you claimed. I agree this holds more weight in court though.

Proof #2, would be the Estate signing off on these songs for commercial released, combined with them and Sony not backing away from their claims, but instead reinforcing them through a press release, and under their own words, had this analysis conducted which 100% supported their initial conclusion. Again, more obvious proof, that has been presented and quickly dismissed by doubters.

We have discussed so many times before that just because it's "official" do not mean it's true.

If official words mean the truth, then we all shall believe there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

This is not proof of authenticity. This is just a claim made by Sony.

Proof #3, and the most important would be Malachi issuing statements through his manager, which basically state "it ain't me".

I don't understand how a statment made by Malachi's manager serves as proof that Michael Jackson sang in the Cascio tracks. Say the manager was telling the truth that Malachi did not sing on the tracks. Does it mean there is no other vocals imposer who could sing in the tracks?

Again, this is just a claim, not proof.

Proof #4, last but not least, is we know Michael stayed there, we know Michael recorded there, the contents of such sessions were never made public until now, so we're led to believe. Now if these aren't the songs that Michael and the Cascio's recorded together, than where are they? Why would they keep genuine MJ songs secret, for the sake of committing a universal fraud? Again this is all obvious proof, and not of the sorts that doubter's are requesting.

Why are we led to believe that Michael recorded the Cascio tracks just because he stayed there? How do we know that Michael did record songs with the Cascios? How do we know there was indeed genuine MJ songs created with the Cascios?

Again, how is it an "obvious proof"?

You want materialistic proofs, being photo's of the sessions with Michael recording, you want the findings of forensic audio test's to be made public, you want songs from Michael that sound similar to these. In a nutshell you want the man himself to appear and just say, "yep, that's me!"


And until that last bolded line happens, this debate will continue. Because if and when those forensic results are made public, I can guarantee at least half of the doubters side of the fanbase will say the results were edited in some way, shape, or form.

Don't make assumption so prematurely. Many of us are able to exercise reasonable judgements. If we are indeed presented with OBVIOUS PROOF showing Michael Jackson did sing in the songs, I would be the first one to admit I am wrong and swallow my pride.

However, thus far, four months after the controversy broke. No one has shown us any tangible support, while they can't wait to show tiny trace of Michael's involvement in all other songs on the album.
 
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We know that Michael at the very least recorded backing vocals for WBSS 2008 at the Cascio house. It may have been this work that Michael was referring to on the phone with Frank Dileo.
 
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